21-03-2013, 04:10 PM
21-03-2013, 10:51 PM
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Uh... it was where the bullet went thru his head and out the back leaving the trail of particles well above the WCR entry point.... blowing open the back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
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Uh... it was where the bullet went thru his head and out the back leaving the trail of particles well above the WCR entry point.... blowing open the back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
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21-03-2013, 11:14 PM
Q. What is the black dot?
A. "Uh ... it was where the bullet went thru [sic] his head ... "
Sorry, but that's at best non-responsive.
I did not ask "WHERE is the black dot?"
Let's try again:
WHAT is the black dot?
Let me try to simplify this stunningly complex question:
Is it a naturally occurring segment of a wound? An artifact added to the photo to disguise the wound?
How can we account for its near-perfectly circular form?
A. "Uh ... it was where the bullet went thru [sic] his head ... "
Sorry, but that's at best non-responsive.
I did not ask "WHERE is the black dot?"
Let's try again:
WHAT is the black dot?
Let me try to simplify this stunningly complex question:
Is it a naturally occurring segment of a wound? An artifact added to the photo to disguise the wound?
How can we account for its near-perfectly circular form?
22-03-2013, 12:19 AM
Looking into the EVIDENCE a little one finds declarations which substantiates there actually having been a shot to the right temple.
Whether that black circle was placed after the fact to hide whatever...or is an accurate depiction of the body at that moment is yet another case of pure speculation,
unless you have the original negative and can make an expert examination, how can anyone state an opinion and be doing anything but guessing?
On this xray there seems to be a number of perfect circles... Mantik, being an expert, is able to tell us the xrays are copies since he handles them himself....
and that the little white circle was NEVER seen by anyone taking or developing xrays. He KNOWS it was added and has the evidence to prove it.
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If you have access to the Bethesda autopsy negatives... please share them and maybe one of the resident photographic experts can tell you WHAT it is or isn't.
Until then... below is some of the evidence I mentioned that supports there actually being a shot at that spot... the collage I posted contrasts Groden with Fox where in some cases we see the circle and others we do not.
I hope you have success in determining WHAT it is from 10th generation internet files with 72dpi resolution and no negative..
I for one would be very interested in learning WHAT that was since I've been analyzing those photos for over 10 years and STILL have to remind myself we have no idea of the chain of evidence for these images.
Peace
DJ
1) Naturally occurring:
Lt Col Daniel Marvin also made contact with Dennis David, a friend of Pitzer who told him that Pitzer had shown him photographs and film of Kennedy's autopsy, depicting a small bullet hole in JFK's right temple and a large exit wound in the back of the head.
Wehle said he was an observer during the later stages of the autopsy. "(Wehle) noticed a slight
bruise over the right temple of the President but did not see any significant damage to any other part
of the head.
* O'Donnell further told the ARRB that one of the autopsy photos Knudsen showed him showed what appeared to be an entry wound in the right temple. This is key because there were several reports out of Dallas of a small wound in one of the temples. O'Donnell's account strongly tends to confirm those reports. Also, a defect consistent with a wound of entry can be seen in the right temple area on the autopsy x-rays, according to three doctors who have examined them (one of whom is an expert in neuroanatomy and another of whom is a board-certified radiologist).
* Tom Robinson, the mortician, confirmed what he had already told the HSCA on the issue of a small wound in the temple, namely, that he saw a small hole in the area of the right temple, and that he filled it with wax. Although Robinson speculated the small hole was made by an exiting fragment, the hole is strong evidence of a shot from the front in light of the reports of a large wound of exit in the back of the head and in light of the other accounts of an entry-like wound in one of the temples. Indeed, White House press man Malcolm Kilduff told reporters at Parkland Hospital that afternoon that Dr. Burkley told him a bullet entered the right temple, and Kilduff pointed to his own right temple to illustrate the trajectory. This was all captured on film. One of the reporters who attended that press conference wrote in his notes "bullet entered right temple" (or "entered right temple").
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Whether that black circle was placed after the fact to hide whatever...or is an accurate depiction of the body at that moment is yet another case of pure speculation,
unless you have the original negative and can make an expert examination, how can anyone state an opinion and be doing anything but guessing?
On this xray there seems to be a number of perfect circles... Mantik, being an expert, is able to tell us the xrays are copies since he handles them himself....
and that the little white circle was NEVER seen by anyone taking or developing xrays. He KNOWS it was added and has the evidence to prove it.
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If you have access to the Bethesda autopsy negatives... please share them and maybe one of the resident photographic experts can tell you WHAT it is or isn't.
Until then... below is some of the evidence I mentioned that supports there actually being a shot at that spot... the collage I posted contrasts Groden with Fox where in some cases we see the circle and others we do not.
I hope you have success in determining WHAT it is from 10th generation internet files with 72dpi resolution and no negative..
I for one would be very interested in learning WHAT that was since I've been analyzing those photos for over 10 years and STILL have to remind myself we have no idea of the chain of evidence for these images.
Peace
DJ
1) Naturally occurring:
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12/17/63
[/SIZE][size=12]Washington, Dec. 16 - The (FBI) report takes a firm position against various reports that at least one of the bullets that hit Mr.[/SIZE]
[size=12]Kennedy had come from in front of him.
Such a theory would conflict with the fact that Oswald was allegedly firing from a window above and behind the President.
The FBI report said the shots came from that window. It said Mr. Kennedy was hit by two bullets, one where the right shoulder
joins the neck and the other in the right temple.
[/SIZE][size=12]New York Times
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7/11/66
... There exists material evidence - the photographs and X rays taken at Bethesda - which could settle almost all the majordifferences of opinion concerning the wounds. The photographs would pinpoint the location of the back wound ... [They] could
also show alleged wounds unaccounted for in the autopsy, such as the exit wound of a bullet entering the throat, and they would
reveal details of the complex wound in Kennedy's temple. And the X rays would determine, once and forever, if any unaccounted
for bullets or bullet fragments lodged in Kennedy's body. Bullets are as clear in an X ray as a spoon ...
The Nation, p. 45, Jacob Cohen
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David W. Mantik
Physician with two PhD's at the faculty of Loma Linda University Medical Center in the department of Radiation Medicin. Has made an extensive study of the medical evidence, the autopsy photographs and X-rays. Mantik tells of the evidence that he found for two simutaneous shots in JFK's head, one from behind and one from the front in the right temple.
Lt Col Daniel Marvin also made contact with Dennis David, a friend of Pitzer who told him that Pitzer had shown him photographs and film of Kennedy's autopsy, depicting a small bullet hole in JFK's right temple and a large exit wound in the back of the head.
Wehle said he was an observer during the later stages of the autopsy. "(Wehle) noticed a slight
bruise over the right temple of the President but did not see any significant damage to any other part
of the head.
* O'Donnell further told the ARRB that one of the autopsy photos Knudsen showed him showed what appeared to be an entry wound in the right temple. This is key because there were several reports out of Dallas of a small wound in one of the temples. O'Donnell's account strongly tends to confirm those reports. Also, a defect consistent with a wound of entry can be seen in the right temple area on the autopsy x-rays, according to three doctors who have examined them (one of whom is an expert in neuroanatomy and another of whom is a board-certified radiologist).
* Tom Robinson, the mortician, confirmed what he had already told the HSCA on the issue of a small wound in the temple, namely, that he saw a small hole in the area of the right temple, and that he filled it with wax. Although Robinson speculated the small hole was made by an exiting fragment, the hole is strong evidence of a shot from the front in light of the reports of a large wound of exit in the back of the head and in light of the other accounts of an entry-like wound in one of the temples. Indeed, White House press man Malcolm Kilduff told reporters at Parkland Hospital that afternoon that Dr. Burkley told him a bullet entered the right temple, and Kilduff pointed to his own right temple to illustrate the trajectory. This was all captured on film. One of the reporters who attended that press conference wrote in his notes "bullet entered right temple" (or "entered right temple").
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22-03-2013, 12:37 AM
There is no question that JFK was shot from the front in the right temple.
What is the black dot?
Is it a naturally occurring segment of a wound? An artifact added to the photo to disguise the wound?
How can we account for its near-perfectly circular form?
I call for working hypotheses based on fact and informed speculation.
Perhaps our correspondents with superior photo interpretation skills can offer opinions that directly address my simple question.
Has the black dot previously been noticed, commented upon, and/or explained?
What is the black dot?
Is it a naturally occurring segment of a wound? An artifact added to the photo to disguise the wound?
How can we account for its near-perfectly circular form?
I call for working hypotheses based on fact and informed speculation.
Perhaps our correspondents with superior photo interpretation skills can offer opinions that directly address my simple question.
Has the black dot previously been noticed, commented upon, and/or explained?
22-03-2013, 01:05 AM
Without the negative... and an ironclad chain of evidence for that negative... we'll NEVER know.
But hey, welcome to the party... been talking about that black circle for over 10 years...
Better late than never. "Speculate" to your heart's content.
Maybe you can turn up the Knudsen photos... or the ones Sandra Spencer developed.
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.ph...and_X-Rays
But hey, welcome to the party... been talking about that black circle for over 10 years...
Better late than never. "Speculate" to your heart's content.
Maybe you can turn up the Knudsen photos... or the ones Sandra Spencer developed.
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.ph...and_X-Rays
22-03-2013, 03:13 AM
David Josephs Wrote:Without the negative... and an ironclad chain of evidence for that negative... we'll NEVER know.
But hey, welcome to the party... been talking about that black circle for over 10 years...
Better late than never. "Speculate" to your heart's content.
Maybe you can turn up the Knudsen photos... or the ones Sandra Spencer developed.
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.ph...and_X-Rays
Please share with, if possible, the best of your published analyses of "that black circle."
Thank you.
22-03-2013, 04:31 AM
Have no idea what the black spot/dot/circle is, but here's a related hypothesis: If the spot is indeed an entrance wound one could reasonably infer that a shot had been fired from the area at the south end of the overpass, given the angle of the president's head in Z 312. Since (other than Fetzer's fetzerings about the hole in the windshield) I have seen no credible evidence of a shot fired from that location, I would doubt it. I recall seeing a view through a scope from that area, perhaps INSIDE THE TARGET CAR, that would have made that a difficult shot. Very likely striking the driver or Jackie. If this is true then I would guess that the spot/dot/circle is not an entrance wound. The hole could possibly be an exit wound for the shot that hit him from the rear, but that's just me speculating, not hypothesizing.
22-03-2013, 10:59 AM
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Notes of phone interview of Thomas Evans Robinson by Joe West May 26, 1992:
Transcription
Thomas Evan Robinson
Personal contact info deleted to protect Mr. Robinson's privacy
May 26, 1992 (Phone)
Wounds:
Large gaping hole in back of head.
patched by placing piece of rubber.....over it.
Thinks skull full of Plaster of Paris.
Smaller wound in right temple.
Crescent shped, flapped down (3")
(approx 2) Small sharpnel wounds in face.
Packed with wax.
Wound in back (5 to six inches) below shoulder.
To the right of the back bone.
Adrenlin gland and brain removed.
Other organs removed and then put back.
No swelling or discoloration to face.
(Died instantly)
Dr. Berkley (family physician) came in an ask.....
"How much longer???"
He (Robinson) was told (funeral director)
"Take your time."
Is in favor of exhuming body.....to settle once and....for all.
(Robinson quote) "Good pathologists would know exactly"
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/EMBALMER.htm
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M.T. Griffith, Physical Evidence of Conspiracy:
It should be mentioned that Tom Robinson, the mortician who reassembled Kennedy's skull after the autopsy, said he saw a small hole in one of the temples, and that he believed it was in the right temple.
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/physical.html
Phil's footnote: The three-quarter shot shows the steel yoke which Bethesda personnel said was not used (a wood block was the custom).
This obscures the right temple, appearing as a black rectangular intrusion (how convenient).
Per Perry's description to Kilduff it is in the area of the black hole at the peak of the white triangle of flesh visible between the hair and the steel device.
It is likely this is what Tom Robinson patched "with a little wax."
The black dot in the photos which the thread questions may be matted hair.
The ARRB didn't talk to Tom Robinson--and gave Humes immunity.
Metal fragments high on the lateral from the optical orbit.
Orange-sized hole in the back with plaster and rubber.
Small hole at temple filled with wax.
The U.S. Government assures the world the president was shot from the back, that the only exception to small-in/big-out is he.
No criticism from Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama.
Notes of phone interview of Thomas Evans Robinson by Joe West May 26, 1992:
Transcription
Thomas Evan Robinson
Personal contact info deleted to protect Mr. Robinson's privacy
May 26, 1992 (Phone)
Wounds:
Large gaping hole in back of head.
patched by placing piece of rubber.....over it.
Thinks skull full of Plaster of Paris.
Smaller wound in right temple.
Crescent shped, flapped down (3")
(approx 2) Small sharpnel wounds in face.
Packed with wax.
Wound in back (5 to six inches) below shoulder.
To the right of the back bone.
Adrenlin gland and brain removed.
Other organs removed and then put back.
No swelling or discoloration to face.
(Died instantly)
Dr. Berkley (family physician) came in an ask.....
"How much longer???"
He (Robinson) was told (funeral director)
"Take your time."
Is in favor of exhuming body.....to settle once and....for all.
(Robinson quote) "Good pathologists would know exactly"
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/EMBALMER.htm
~~~
M.T. Griffith, Physical Evidence of Conspiracy:
It should be mentioned that Tom Robinson, the mortician who reassembled Kennedy's skull after the autopsy, said he saw a small hole in one of the temples, and that he believed it was in the right temple.
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/physical.html
Phil's footnote: The three-quarter shot shows the steel yoke which Bethesda personnel said was not used (a wood block was the custom).
This obscures the right temple, appearing as a black rectangular intrusion (how convenient).
Per Perry's description to Kilduff it is in the area of the black hole at the peak of the white triangle of flesh visible between the hair and the steel device.
It is likely this is what Tom Robinson patched "with a little wax."
The black dot in the photos which the thread questions may be matted hair.
The ARRB didn't talk to Tom Robinson--and gave Humes immunity.
Metal fragments high on the lateral from the optical orbit.
Orange-sized hole in the back with plaster and rubber.
Small hole at temple filled with wax.
The U.S. Government assures the world the president was shot from the back, that the only exception to small-in/big-out is he.
No criticism from Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama.
22-03-2013, 01:32 PM
Gordon Gray Wrote:Have no idea what the black spot/dot/circle is, but here's a related hypothesis: If the spot is indeed an entrance wound one could reasonably infer that a shot had been fired from the area at the south end of the overpass, given the angle of the president's head in Z 312. Since (other than Fetzer's fetzerings about the hole in the windshield) I have seen no credible evidence of a shot fired from that location, I would doubt it. I recall seeing a view through a scope from that area, perhaps INSIDE THE TARGET CAR, that would have made that a difficult shot. Very likely striking the driver or Jackie. If this is true then I would guess that the spot/dot/circle is not an entrance wound. The hole could possibly be an exit wound for the shot that hit him from the rear, but that's just me speculating, not hypothesizing.
Well reasoned.
My GUESS is that, given its near perfect circularity, the black dot is artificial and was added to the photos on which it appears to obscure AND draw attention to the entrance would in/near the right temple.