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The vid is blocked in the US because of the copyright.

Damn. I'll see if I can find another....

Not sure if this will work or not for you Lauren:http://www.watchseries-online.eu/2012/05...ntity.html

http://www.heroturko.me/documentaries/24...sharp.html

I [url=http://www.watchseries-online.eu/2012/05/history-channel-the-true-story-the-bourne-identity.html][/url]can't vouch for either web site as I never used them.

Magda - thanks for posting the documentary.

A very frustrating watch.

There are some good interviewees - eg director Doug Limon whose father investigated Iran-Contra, Wayne Madsen, Colin Ross.

And some awful history, with a cringeworthy commentary - "incredible as it may seem, the CIA did..."

MK-ULTRA is explained as a defensive response to Communist brainwashing and use of hypnosis. Indeed, a former CIA Inspector General (sounds like a non-job to me) is introduced & interviewed to peddle the lie.

Of course we know that the line "we have to find a way of keeping up with the evil commie brainwashers" was a psyop run by CIA mockingbird reporters such as Edward Hunter. We also know that the likes of Estabrooks and probably Ewen Cameron were using hypnosis during WW2. And that hypno-narco-trauma techniques grew out of observations of shellshock and Behaviourist experimentation. This was a military-intelligence-complex offensive, not defensive, programme.

The documentary then repeats the Official Lie and Limited Hangout story of Frank Olson's death. And fails to mention the role of Cheney and Rumsfeld.

The story of the MK-ULTRA abuse of Karen Wetmore by Robert W Hyde and others is very important, but again crippled by the insertion of the LImited Hangout that Metrazol was a Soviet drug.

Metrazol was not an "evil commie" drug.

Here's Hank Albarelli:

Quote:It should be noted that, during the cold war years, CIA and Army Counter-Intelligence Corps (CIC) interrogators, working as part of projects Bluebird and Artichoke, sometimes injected large amounts of Metrazol into selected enemy or Communist agents for the purposes of severely frightening other suspected agents, by forcing them to observe the procedure. The almost immediate effects of Metrazol are shocking for many to witness: subjects will shake violently, twisting and turning. They typically arch, jerk and contort their bodies and grimace in pain. With Metrazol, as with electroshock, bone fractures - including broken necks and backs - and joint dislocations are not uncommon, unless strong sedatives are administered beforehand.

A November 1936 Time magazine article seriously questioned the benefits of Metrazol, citing "irreversible shock" as a "great danger." The article described a typical Metrazol injection as such: "A patient receives no food for four or five hours. Then about five cubic centimeters of the drug [Metrazol] are injected into his veins. In about half-a-minute he coughs, casts terrified glances around the room, twitches violently, utters a horse wail, freezes into rigidity with his mouth wide open, arms and legs stiff as boards. Then he goes into convulsions. In one or two minutes the convulsions are over and he gradually passes into a coma, which lasts about an hour. After a series of shocks, his mind may be swept clean of delusions.... A patient is seldom given more than 20 injections and if no improvement is noted after ten treatments, he is usually given up as hopeless."

The Army, the CIA and Metrazol

Army CIC interrogators working with the CIA at prisoner of war camps and safe house locations in post-war Germany on occasion used Metrazol, morphine, heroin and LSD on incarcerated subjects. According to former CIC officer Miles Hunt, several "safe houses and holding areas outside of Frankfurt near Oberursel" - a former Nazi interrogation center taken over by the US - were operated by a "special unit run by Capt. Malcolm S. Hilty, Maj. Mose Hart and Capt. Herbert Sensenig. The unit was especially notorious in its applications of interrogation methods [including the use of electroshock and Metrazol, mescaline, amphetamines and other drugs]." Said Hunt: "The unit took great pride in their nicknames, the 'Rough Boys' and the 'Kraut Gauntlet,' and didn't hold back with any drug or technique ... you name it, they used it." Added Hunt, "Sensenig was really disappointed when it was found that nothing had to be used on [former Reichsmarschall] Herman Goering, who was processed through the camp. Goering needed no inducement to talk."

Eventually, CIC interrogators working in Germany would be assisted in their use of interrogation drugs by several "former" Nazi scientists recruited by the CIA and US State Department as part of Project Paperclip. By early 1952, the CIC's Rough Boys would routinely use Metrazol during interrogations, as well as LSD, mescaline and conventional electroshock units.

Metrazol-like drugs are still used in interrogations today. According to reports from several former noncommissioned Army officers, who served on rendition-related security details in Turkey, Pakistan and Romania, drugs that produce effects quite similar to Metrazol are still used in 2010 by the Pentagon and CIA on enemy combatants and rendered subjects held at the many "black sites" maintained across the globe. Observed one former officer recently, "They would twist up like a pretzel, in unbelievable shapes and jerk and shake like crazy, their eyes nearly popping out of their heads."

Then there's the ridiculous line around 31 minutes in that "The CIA was never able to reach its goal of creating a brainwashed assassin".

The History Channel?

Nah, the Anti-History Channel.

Rolling out the psyop faux humourous story about the CIA plotting to assassinate Castro with an exploding cigar. The myth intended to convey the idea that CIA assassins were bungling eggheads.

Next, we have to endure the cop out commentary about the murder and dismemberment of Africa's first democratically elected indigenous leader, Patrice Lumumba, which pretends there's no proof of western intelligence agency involvement.

DPF knows better.

The documentary continues with another Big Lie: that the Church Committee in the mid-70s led to the termination of the mind control experiments. However, there may be secret programmes, only authorised and activated because of 9/11, to assassinate a Saddam Hussein or a Hitler.

The core message of the Anti-History Channel is that you can sleep easily in your beds, sheeple, because the military-intelligence-complex may be usng the latest technology to create killers to keep you safe, but you don't have to worry yourself about it, you need never know the details....

It reminds me of why I gave up making documentary films for MSM....

Now, the 64 million dollar question, completely avoided by The Anti-History Channel.

Why was Ludlum's protagonist called Bourne?

Answers in this thread, please.

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Now, the 64 million dollar question, completely avoided by The Anti-History Channel, is why was Ludlum's protagonist called Bourne?

Answers in this thread, please.

This can't be the answer. It is just too simple with no deep political significance, unless there is some DP significance:

Quote:Believe it or not, the name "Bourne," in the original novel by Robert Ludlum, actually came from a guy named Ansel Bourne. Ansel was a preacher in Rhode Island and the first documented case of "dissociative fugue," a condition not unlike dissociative amnesia or dissociative identity disorder (aka multiple personality disorder). One day in 1887, he forgot who he was, started a new life in Pennsylvania under the name Brown, and opened a convenience store. A few months later, he woke up, remembered his life as Bourne, and forgot all about his life as Brown. He also had no idea how in the hell he ended up in Pennsylvania of all places.

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Magda - thanks for posting the documentary.

A very frustrating watch.

There are some good interviewees - eg director Doug Limon whose father investigated Iran-Contra, Wayne Madsen, Colin Ross.

And some awful history, with a cringeworthy commentary - "incredible as it may seem, the CIA did..."

/snip

The History Channel?

Nah, the Anti-History Channel.

/snip

The core message of the Anti-History Channel is that you can sleep easily in your beds, sheeple, because the military-intelligence-complex may be usng the latest technology to create killers to keep you safe, but you don't have to worry yourself about it, you need never know the details....

It reminds me of why I gave up making documentary films for MSM....

Ah, yes, I was going to post a disclaimer that it iwas a History Channel programme so caveat emptor but got distracted....Still one or two good bits in the swill.

Lauren Johnson Wrote:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Now, the 64 million dollar question, completely avoided by The Anti-History Channel, is why was Ludlum's protagonist called Bourne?

Answers in this thread, please.

This can't be the answer. It is just too simple with no deep political significance, unless there is some DP significance:

Quote:Believe it or not, the name "Bourne," in the original novel by Robert Ludlum, actually came from a guy named Ansel Bourne. Ansel was a preacher in Rhode Island and the first documented case of "dissociative fugue," a condition not unlike dissociative amnesia or dissociative identity disorder (aka multiple personality disorder). One day in 1887, he forgot who he was, started a new life in Pennsylvania under the name Brown, and opened a convenience store. A few months later, he woke up, remembered his life as Bourne, and forgot all about his life as Brown. He also had no idea how in the hell he ended up in Pennsylvania of all places.

Lauren - not at all.

Ansel Bourne is absolutely part of the story.

Dissociative fugues were one of the key areas of study of Jolly the Elephant Killer.

The footage of Congressman Leo Ryan being assassinated by the Jonestown tractor boys, extracts of which can be seen from about 3:35 to 3:46 in the video below, is another part:



As is the image below:

Quote:Ansel Bourne is absolutely part of the story.

Dissociative fugues were one of the key areas of study of Jolly the Elephant Killer.

I just now woke up and thought, "It's perfect. Of course that's the answer."

How much did Ludlum know about the The MansonSecret? Apparently, quite a lot. The name is Jason Bourne must be a kind of wink and nod to the spook world.