David Guyatt Wrote:Ask Greenwald I suppose. He's got it all. Which if the Greenwald has sold out report is true, then this story is now false:
Quote:US 'may never know extent of Edward Snowden NSA leaks' report
I think this whole saga has become a gigantic smoke-and-mirrors operation for the NSA/SIS's.
I recall posting the link to a Yoichi Shimatsu article about it all a few weeks ago. At the time I was
very skeptical about it. I am much less skeptical now. I have collected a bunch of related articles about it, including an extended and impressive rebuttal from Greenwald. However, the rebuttal was written before Sibel Edmonds latest forays into the Greewald-Omidyar-Intel nexus and Greenwald's mega-bucks book and movie deals. I personally rate Edmonds highly and frankly, they make his rebuttal look weak. It looks to me like he has been dazzled by big money and that the SIS's probably have secured effective control of what was leaked.
Current documents are linked from
this Wikispooks page
I don't think Snowden will bite this poisoned bait.....I don't think the USG would honor this 'deal' anyway....and WORSE! it would negate his stated purpose for liberating the documents in the first place! But, stranger things have happened.....:
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The documents in question are long gone from his hands anyway. It is all moot. And I would never trust the US to keep its word. Or the UK.
Magda Hassan Wrote:The documents in question are long gone from his hands anyway. It is all moot. And I would never trust the US to keep its word. Or the UK.
...But deafening silence from both Snowden and Laura Poitras (Greenwald too since he was unambiguously called on his hand by Sibel Edmonds and others a few days ago). Plus Greenwald beholden to mega-bucks deals that will require rather more than his unalloyed, discretionary provision of what he is said to be in possession of. If Poitras and Greewald HAVE been got at, then that leaves Snowden himself (unless Shimatsu has been right all along of course). So maybe they are indeed cooking up an 'offer he cannot refuse'.
But as I said above - I reckon this really is becoming a gigantic smoke and mirrors operation - entertaining stuff though :
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CNN was discussing this this morning. The spokesperson said Snowden did a lot of damage and offered the information to the Russians as part of a deal. So bad that NSA would have to start from zero again. The commenter said Snowden should be jailed.
CNN doesn't register that many Americans consider Snowden a hero against the Bush fascists. That the data contained information showing programs being aimed against Americans by an ever increasing authoritarian government.
Snowden made a public statement saying the judge's ruling against the NSA vindicates what he did. I think Snowden just got a Pentagon Papers decision.
Albert Doyle Wrote:CNN was discussing this this morning. The spokesperson said Snowden did a lot of damage and offered the information to the Russians as part of a deal. So bad that NSA would have to start from zero again. The commenter said Snowden should be jailed.
And they backed that allegation of sharing with the Russians with what evidence, I wonder? Zilch I bet.
CNN = spook central, I think.
I really doubt any of the Snowden 'revelations' are news to the Russians. Their intelligence and electronic intelligence agencies know ALL about all this..... Second, I have no reason to believe Snowden chose to nor was coerced into telling the Russians what they already knew...they didn't need the nice Powerpoint presentations - they knew of the programs and likely have their own that are similar. This is pure political theater, and Snowden, always an expendable pawn in this game, may be in a [more] dangerous position now....despite the nice 'amnesty' lip service. Greenwald has been silent the last days on all this.....instead he has published a few interesting [on their own merit] articles about Danish complicity with the NSA.