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Out of Control, Hyper-Militarized Local Police-- Radley Balko Intvw Transcript-- Part 1
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By
Rob Kall
This transcript series was originally published in November 2013. It is totally relevant to what's happening in Ferguson.
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This is the first half of the transcript of my interview withRadley Balko, author of Warrior Cop: The Militarization ofAmerica's Police Forces. It's an eye-opener.
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Radley Balko's book
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Here's the link to audio recording of theinterview:
Rise of the Warrior Cop; Interview withRadley Balko
Thanks to
Eric Forat for help with thetranscription process.
Rob Kall: Welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show onthe NJC1360 AM, out of Washington Township reaching metro Phillyand South Jersey sponsored by, Opednews.com. That's progressivenews and opinion, just Google progressive opinion and Oped newscomes up at the top. Check us out. My guest tonight is RadleyBalko, he's the author of Rise of the Warrior Cop: TheMilitarization of America's Police Forces. He's a senior writerand investigative reporter for the Huffington Post, where hecovers civil liberties and the criminal justice system. Radley,welcome to the show.
Radley Balko: Thanks for having me on, glad to behere.
Rob Kall: So, you've got a really powerful book here,with statistics and stories that are frightening. They'reterrifying really. Let's start by you telling a story thatexemplifies what this book is all about.
Radley Balko: Sure, I'm actually going to take a storythat's not in the book, that didn't make the final edit, but that Ido think is, is emblematic of all of the problems that I, that Ioutline in the book.
This is a story about Katherine Johnson, who is a ninety twoyear old woman, who lived in a bad neighborhood in Atlanta. Andthis all started right around Thanksgiving in the year 2006. Therewas an Atlanta narcotics team out, on patrol, or sort of drivingaround. And they saw a guy walking alongside the road that they'darrested before on various charges, knew he had a record. So theyjump out on this guy, they throw him to the ground. We found outlater that they had, ended up actually plan
ting a bag ofmarijuana on him. He knew he had a record, they knew he had arecord, so they tell him they'll let him go if he can tell themwhere they can find a large supply of drugs. So he basically justmakes up an address in the neighborhood. And that address happenedto be the address of Katherine Johnson.
Now what's supposed to happen at this point, is the police aresupposed to get a confidential informant to go do what they call acontrolled drug find. The informant will wear a wire, andthey give him a bunch of marked bills, and he's supposed to go tothis house, buy some drugs, and at that point they apply for asearch warrant.
They didn't do that. Instead, I should add I guess, that that,that process would take a day and a half, two days. But they wantedto get there quicker. So they lied, they lied on the affidavit,they claimed that they had made a controlled buy with an informantwhen they actually hadn't. And instead of waiting a couple days,they got their warrant signed within a few hours.
So later that evening they start trying to break in to thiswoman's home. As I said this was a bad neighborhood, so had putbars on her doors, so it took them awhile to get in. by the timethey got in she was standing in the living room, holding a rustyrevolver that she kept by her bed to scare people off. The gunactually didn't work, she just waved it at people, when she wantedthem, when she was frightened.
The police break down the door, she's standing there, they openfire, they kill her. They initially claim that she fired first, wenow know that wasn't true because the gun wasn't functional. Andtwo officers were wounded by, gun fire from other officers. Theycalled ambulances to come and treat those officers. They did notcall an ambulance to come and treat Katherine Johnson. Instead theylet her, handcuffed her, and let her bleed to death on her livingroom floor, while one of the officers went down to the basement toplant some marijuana. To make her look like the drug dealer thatthey claimed she was.
Of course now they have a problem, they have to find aninformant who will lie, and say that he was the informant named inthe search warrant. So they go after this guy that they had used inthe past, they put him in a police car. Informants are pretty shadypeople most of the time, they tend to be addicts or rival drugdealers. To this guy credit, to this guy's credit, he wouldn't playalong. He, there's actually this remarkable phone call that he madefrom the back of an APD cruiser, where he calls 911, immediatelyasks to speak to the FBI. Which you can't do through 911. But hesays, you know, "They're trying to make me say that I helped killthat old lady, and, and I don't want any part of it".
At this point, he jumps out of the car and starts to flee. Theofficers chase him. And there's actually a foot chase throughdowntown Atlanta. Through, you know, a hotel lobby or two,businesses. Finally this guy finds a phone, he was working with theATF at the same time. Calls his ATF agent who swoops in and pickshim up and puts him up at a hotel out in the suburbs.
At this point they open up a federal investigation. And what thefederal investigation found was that this was rampant in theAtlanta Narcotics Unit, of the Atlanta Police Department. Thatthere was lots of lying on search warrants, that there were lots ofraids on the wrong houses. A, the Atlanta City Council later heldhearings, and dozens of people came forward to say that, "Yeah thishas happened to me too". In fact they had raided another woman whowas on the same block, who was in her eighties, who also kept a gunby her bed to scare people off. They managed to hold their fire inthat case.
But what the federal investigation found was that, that thesenarcotic officers had quotas. They had to arrest so many peopleeach month, they had to seize a minimum quantity of drugs eachmonth. And, you know, what we now know, what's pretty obvious now,is that those quota's came because, like every other policedepartment in the country, the Atlanta Police Department wascompeting for a limited amount of federal resources that go towardsanti-drug policing.
So, the police department is facing pressure to enhance revenueby getting its hands on this federal funding. It passes thepressures then on to the police officers, whose careers are, jobevaluations and promotions and careers depend on meeting thisquotas, or exceeding them. And so all of this was basicallyresulted, resulting in these mass constitutional violations.
The entire narcotics units was in a pinch, they were fired orreplaced, or transferred to another department and replaced. Andthere were some promises for reform, though most of them didn't panout.
Now you could argue that, you know, Atlanta was the only policedepartment in the country where this was going on. And they justhappened to be the only one that got, the one who got caught. Butyou know these federal incentives are for every police departmentin the country. And, you know they, people tend to respond toincentives in the same way. But I, you know, I would guess thatthis is happening in far more police departments than just inAtlanta. In fact we have other cases studies showing that ithas.