Drew Phipps Wrote:You have to wonder if the flurry of such cases is related to some change in PD policies/behavior or if it is only that more people are carrying around cameras and/or reporting the incidents.
Yes, the availability of hand held cameras and videos with mobile phones has made the visibility of these attacks much higher. However, there seems to be no follow through at the judicial level. The evidence of criminal murder, assault and brutality is there for all to see but then what happens? No consequences apparently.
In the UK there was an (unofficial?) agreement that there would be no consequences after they murdered the Brazilian man. The police threatened to not protect anyone if they were forced to account for their actions when armed.
It is to be hoped that the widespread availability of smartphones with video capability will eventually force the judicial system to be more responsive. The court system, being bound to hoary judicial tradition and precedent, is usually the last place to look for acceptance of more modern community standards, or even acceptance of more modern technology.
Not that I am suggesting that is always a bad thing. It is useful to be reminded of our founding traditions and principles from time to time, and I would shudder to see a court system run by public polls (which seems to be meat and potatoes for other "law-makers").
Yeah, let's scare the kids shitless, and get them used to the new police state they live in.
Quote:US school districts given free machine guns and grenade launchers
Calls to hand back weapons and gear, from M16 rifles to mine-proof vehicles, obtained under Pentagon scheme
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An MRAP armoured vehicle of the type acquired by US school districts under a Pentagon giveaway of military equipment and weaponry. Photograph: Steven Valenti/AP
School police departments across the US have taken advantage of free military surplus gear, stocking up on mine-resistant armoured vehicles, grenade launchers and scores of M16 rifles.
At least 26 school districts have participated in the Pentagon's surplus program, which is not new but has come under scrutiny after police responded to protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, with teargas, armour-clad military trucks and riot gear.
Amid that increased criticism, several school districts have said they will give some of the equipment back but others plan to keep it. Nearly two dozen education and civil liberties groups have sent a letter to the Pentagon and the justice and education departments urging a stop to transfers of military weapons to school police.
The Los Angeles unified school district, the nation's second-largest at 710 square miles with more than 900,000 students enrolled, said it would remove three grenade launchers it had acquired because they "are not essential life-saving items within the scope, duties and mission" of the district's police force.
But the district would keep the 60 M16s and a military vehicle known as an MRAP used in Iraq and Afghanistan that was built to withstand mine blasts.
District police Chief Steve Zipperman told the Associated Press that the M16s were used for training and the MRAP, parked off campus, was acquired because the district could not afford to buy armoured vehicles that might be used to protect officers and help students in a school shooting.
"That vehicle is used in very extraordinary circumstances involving a life-saving situation for an armed threat," Zipperman said. "Quite frankly I hope we never have to deploy it."
Law enforcement agencies around the country equipped themselves by turning to the Pentagon program, which the defence department has used to get rid of gear it no longer needs. Since the Columbine school shooting in 1999 school districts have increasingly participated.
Federal records show schools in Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Michigan, Nevada, Texas and Utah obtained surplus military gear. At least six California districts have received equipment, state records show.
Democratic congressman Adam Schiff said while there was a role for surplus equipment going to local police departments "it's difficult to see what scenario would require a grenade launcher or a mine-resistant vehicle for a school police department".
In Texas, Tina Veal-Gooch, executive director of public relations at Texarkana ISD, said the 2012 school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, led the district to acquire assault rifles and it had no plans to return them.
In Florida, Rick Stelljes, the chief of Pinellas county schools police, said the county possessed 28 semi-automatic M16 rifles. They had never been used, and he hoped they never would be, but they were "something we need given the current situation we face in our nation. This is about preparing for the worst-case scenario."
School officials in Utah's Granite school district and Nevada's Washoe county school district said they did not have any immediate plans to give back the M16s they received.
San Diego unified school district said it was painting its MRAP white and hoping to use the Red Cross symbol on it to assuage community worries, said Ursula Kroemer, a district spokeswoman. The MRAP had been stripped of weapon mounts and turrets and would be outfitted with medical supplies and teddy bears for use in emergencies to evacuate students and staff, she said.
Jill Poe, police chief in southern California's Baldwin Park school district, said she would be returning the three M16 rifles acquired under her predecessor.
"Honestly I could not tell you why we acquired those," Poe said. "They have never been used in the field and they will never been used in the field."
And people wonder why some like to home school!
Here we go again. It the witness is correct that Myers had a sandwich on his hand that was mistakes by the off duty cop as a gun, then one has to ask how a gun was recovered from the scene? What does that statement really mean? Was it the cop's gun and therefore, the message is a designed to confuse PR spin? Or was it a "throwaway", used by police to CYA in unauthorized and potentially indictable deadly shooting? Or was the sandwich really a gun?
Will we ever know even?
Quote:Vonderrick Myers shooting: Off-duty St Louis police officer kills black teenager sparking new 'Hands Up Don't Shoot' Ferguson-style protests
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Those demonstrating say 18-year-old high school student Myers was shot 17 times - and holding a sandwich rather than a weapon
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Thursday 09 October 2014
An off-duty police officer in St Louis has shot and killed a black teenager, prompting a repeat of the Ferguson protests that followed the death of Michael Brown two months ago today.
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Police in the already conflict-ridden county of Missouri said that the officer involved was wearing his uniform but working a second job as a security guard when the incident occurred late on Wednesday night.[/B][/B]
[B][B]The officer, who is 32 years old and white, was unharmed in the incident.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Pictures from the scene on Shaw Boulevard in south St Louis showed people gathering to protest the shooting. KTVI News reported that the crowd was preparing to march on the St Louis police station, with many chanting "hands up don't shoot", a slogan that was used across the US after Ferguson.[/B][/B]
[B][B]As with the death of Michael Brown, there were conflicting initial reports on whether or not the victim, who has been named locally as 18-year-old Vonderrick Myers, was armed.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Teyonna Myers, 23, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper that she was the cousin of the man and that he was unarmed when he was killed.[/B][/B]
[B][B]"He had a sandwich in his hand, and they thought it was a gun. It's like Michael Brown all over again," she told the paper. St Louis Public Radio quoted chief of police Sam Dotson as saying that the officer fired "17 times", while alderman Antonio French, on the scene with protesters, tweeted: "At the scene of yet another young man's death. This happens too often in our city. It's a crisis that we should all be concerned about."[/B][/B]
[B][B]He later wrote: "The victim's mother was here. She fainted. An ambulance came to attend to her. There is nothing like a mother's pain at the loss of a child."[/B][/B]
[B][B]But a spokesperson for St Louis Police, Colonel Alfred Adkins, said the officer - who has not been named - approached Myers and three other men in the street and only "returned fire" after he was shot at himself.[/B][/B]
[B][B]"As [the officer] exited the car, the gentlemen took off running. He was able to follow one of them before he lost him and then found him again as the guy jumped out of some bushes across the street," Adkins said.[/B][/B]
[B][B]"The officer approached, they got into a struggle, they ended up into a gangway, at which time the young man pulled a weapon and shots were fired. The officer returned fire and unfortunately the young man was killed." [/B][/B]
[B][B]In pictures: Michael Brown shooting nationwide protests[/B][/B]
[B][B]Police said a gun was retrieved from the scene near Missouri Botanical Gardens.[/B][/B]
[B][B]Another spokesperson, for the St Louis city police division, said the officer was a six-year veteran of the department. He has now been placed on administrative leave, she said, and an investigation into the incident is ongoing.[/B][/B]
Homeless man with a penknife - he appears to turn and walk away when he was shot over 30 times:
And this is a police dash cam:
In the USA, another child shot dead by police. Child was doing nothing but playing with a toy gun. He was aged 12. If the police shoot to kill all children with toy guns, there won't be many children left....
CLEVELAND A rookie police officer has just shot a 12-yr-old child to death on a playground.
The child was playing with a toy BB gun.
Police claim that the toy looked real and that they were "forced" to shoot the child.
However, the community and the boy's family say that the cops were trigger-happy.
They believe that the cops were trigger-happy for several reasons:
1) The citizen who called 911 on the boy clearly warned the dispatcher that child's toy gun was fake(raw recording below). This means that a warning was given ahead of time from which any reasonably sane and intelligent person can extract two facts: (a) we are dealing with just a small child playing on a playground, not an adult, nor a criminal, and (b) the child's toy is fake. To any normal conscious human being, these two facts entail that there is zero chance of an actual deadly threat.
(If you have been trained day-in and day-out to be in a constant state of cowardly, irrational fear toward your fellow citizens that's to say, if you are a modern day police officer then, sure, you might "fear for your life" in front of a harmless child.)
2) The boy did not act aggressively toward the police there was no verbal or physical confrontation, as admitted by the police commentary itself. He never at any time pointed the toy at officers. That's worth repeating: the child never, at any time, threatened the officers or pointed the toy at them. He was merely playing on the playground.
3) The police should be trained to distinguish between a live threat and a playful 12-yr-old child. They should not just blindly open fire and shoot non-aggressive people simply for holding an object, gun or otherwise.
4) Even if the boy's toy HAD been a real gun which it wasn't, but let's assume for the moment that it was, just for the sake of argument the 2nd amendment of the constitution gives citizens the right to keep and bear arms. The police do not have the right to just blow away anybody for holding a gun.
Due to these reasons and more, the police indeed seem to be trigger-happy at best; eager to use force without discretion so they can pretend to be "heroes" and get career boosts, at worst.
The incident began when a rookie officer and his partner pulled into the parking lot and noticed some people near the playground, after receiving a 911 call, according to reports.
The 911 caller told the dispatcher that the boy's toy was fake.
The rookie cop showed up to the scene and claims that he saw a "black gun" resting on a table.
He claims that the child went and picked up the bb gun and put it in his waistband.
Why the cop simply did not rush the child and prevent him from picking up the "gun" when he first saw it on the table remains a mystery.
[B] Listen to 911 Call
[/B](my question, however, is why would someone call the police about a child with a fake gun....unless they want that child to be shot?! The police should be convicted of murder and the 911 caller needs to be in Court too.)