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Alan Ford Wrote:Mr. Mitcham

The one thing Officer Marrion Baker was sure about-- before the hastily contrived script engineered by Truly and his accomplice Mrs. Reid derailed a sense of truth, justice and honour-- was precisely where he encountered the wrongfully accused ---->


Youtube capture...

Please note his right index finger, indicating 1 (1st) instead of 2 (2nd) and/or 4 (4th).

Also of note is the direction he is also pointing ----> "out in front". He knows precisely where he encountered the wrongfully accused...

Of course, after the hastily contrived script was sprung upon him the very next day, he succumbed to the the paralyzing threat of play ball with the viper pit of liars Or Else.

Mr. Craig (Roger) is an example of what happens when one doesn't play ball with Judas, err, Truly.

Speaking of lying lips, Back tomorrow to share another glaring lie told by Truly (what's new, right?)

Hint: He tells of a trip up to the roof w/Officer Baker...

but, lo and behold, I've come across information to the contrary about that contrived tale. Unless of course there is an explanation of why that particular area was actually locked when a certain other individual within his own same day affidavit attempted to access that particular area in the same time & sequence of you guessed it Truly & Baker. But there's more...muted for now though.

I always wondered why Truly's pressed white shirt was void of sweat, dust, grime, etc IF he really exerted his 56 year old body as he claims that afternoon. Now, I know. Back tomorrow with full reveal. Of course, like all of the other remaining, still unanswered questions/inconsistencies amid Truly's tales, I suspect there won't be any forthcoming objective inquiry into this new revelation either, let alone an answer to it. So much easier to talk semantics and parrot back a phantom encounter I guess.

Oh, Mrs. Reid, Do you have a second, ma'am?

Enjoy your evening, Mr. Mitcham, Cheers!

Ray Mitcham Wrote:

Alan Ford Wrote:Mr. Mitcham

The one thing Officer Marrion Baker was sure about-- before the hastily contrived script engineered by Truly and his accomplice Mrs. Reid derailed a sense of truth, justice and honour-- was precisely where he encountered the wrongfully accused ---->


Youtube capture...

Please note his right index finger, indicating 1 (1st) instead of 2 (2nd) and/or 4 (4th).

Also of note is the direction he is also pointing ----> "out in front". He knows precisely where he encountered the wrongfully accused...

Of course, after the hastily contrived script was sprung upon him the very next day, he succumbed to the the paralyzing threat of play ball with the viper pit of liars Or Else.

Mr. Craig (Roger) is an example of what happens when one doesn't play ball with Judas, err, Truly.

Speaking of lying lips, Back tomorrow to share another glaring lie told by Truly (what's new, right?)

Hint: He tells of a trip up to the roof w/Officer Baker...

but, lo and behold, I've come across information to the contrary about that contrived tale. Unless of course there is an explanation of why that particular area was actually locked when a certain other individual within his own same day affidavit attempted to access that particular area in the same time & sequence of you guessed it Truly & Baker. But there's more...muted for now though.

I always wondered why Truly's pressed white shirt was void of sweat, dust, grime, etc IF he really exerted his 56 year old body as he claims that afternoon. Now, I know. Back tomorrow with full reveal. Of course, like all of the other remaining, still unanswered questions/inconsistencies amid Truly's tales, I suspect there won't be any forthcoming objective inquiry into this new revelation either, let alone an answer to it. So much easier to talk semantics and parrot back a phantom encounter I guess.

Oh, Mrs. Reid, Do you have a second, ma'am?

Enjoy your evening, Mr. Mitcham, Cheers!

Nice work, Mr Ford. Look forward to your next instalment.

Ray Mitcham Wrote:

LR Trotter Wrote:

Alan Ford Wrote:Mr. BELIN. And then what happened?
Mr. TRULY. Then we left Lee Harvey Oswald immediately and continued to run up the stairways until we reached the fifth floor.
Mr. BELIN. All right.

*Again, why did Truly and/or Baker's respective testimonies fail to reflect as they continued upwards to the 5th floor encounters with…

Mr. Norman (Harold) S1

Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray) S2

Mr. Jarman (James) S3

Who all were actually up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor in very close proximity to the elevator area…

*Yet not a single one of these three menwithin their own separate testimoniesshare an encounter with Truly & Baker?

A fair, objective inquiry begs the question Why?, though the answer is glaringly obvious.

*the only policeman seen was a white helmeted motorcycle officer who actually rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor, there's this exchange ---->

Mr. BALL. I will take this same diagram----
Mr. WILLIAMS. First of all we made a stop before we got to the last stop that we was when the policeman came up.
Continued…
Mr. BALL. Now, could you see all of the elevators from there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, by me being the tallest, I saw --
Mr. BALL. I am not going into what you saw. But could you see either elevator from where you were standing at "Z"?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; you could see this pretty plainly.
Mr. BALL. You mean the west elevator
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes sir.
Mr. BALL. Could you see the east elevator?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; you could not see it exactly.
Mr. BALL. Now, when you were questioned by the FBI agents, talking to Mr. Odum and Mr. Griffin, they reported in writing here that while you were standing at the west end of the building on the fifth floor, a police officer came up on the elevator and looked all around the fifth floor and left the floor. Did you see anything like that?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time I was up there I saw a motorcycle policeman. He came up. And the only thing I saw of him was his white helmet.
Mr. BALL. What did he
Mr. WILLIAMS. He just came around, and around to the elevator.
Mr. BALL. Which elevator?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe it was the east elevator.
Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody with him?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I did not.
Who was/is this white helmeted motorcycle policeman?
Why didn't Truly & Baker encounter him, especially since, quote --à
Mr. BELIN. And then what happened?
Mr. TRULY. Then we left Lee Harvey Oswald immediately and continued to run up the stairways until we reached the fifth floor.

And, rather than go into Mrs. Reid's outright lie again, suffice it to say none of us can be in two different places at the same time (in their haste to FRAME an innocent party, the viper pit of liars simply out lied themselves, failing to factor in the small, yet all important details ( a photo capturing Mrs. Reid out in front of the building in the same time sequence she said she was encountering the wrongfully accused). OOPS!

Truly & Baker failed miserably, Failing to include encounters with Mr. Norman (Harold); Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray); Mr. Jarman (James); and, also with the white helmeted motorcycle officer who rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor.

Mrs. Reid's blatant lie clearly exposes the phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter for the hoax it is. All four individuals standing in close proximity of the elevators, who didn't hear Truly yell up for an elevator exposes the hastily contrived script for what it was/is. Baker's multiple tries to get his lies, err, "facts" straight about a single event exposes the phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter as nothing more than a hastily contrived script. Discussions off the record exposes the phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter as the hoax it was all along.

The plain simple truth doesn't need multiple tries to get it right the first time; nor does the plain simple truth desperately cling to discussions off the record either.

Now, back to the plain simple truth ---->

Friday, November 22, 1963

"As an officer rushed into the building Oswald rushed out. The policeman permitted him to pass after the building manager told the policeman that Oswald was an employee." Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry

into the building ='s down on the first floor

"The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside & met
me at the door & went in with me. Shortly after I entered the
building I confronted Oswald. We left Oswald there, & the supervisor
showed me the way upstairs".

Conclusion: this encounter was also down on the first floor.

"Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We saw Oswald in a small storage room on the ground floor". -- O. Virgil Campbell

Conclusion: this encountercompleting a trifecta of sightingswas also down on the first floor

Saturday, November 23, 1963...a hastily contrived script rears its lying head...and the mounting lies simply out grow the hastily contrived script.

Man! Who was/is that white helmeted motorcycle policeman who rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor ?????

Who was that mysterious someone with Truly ????? ----->

Mr. BALL. You mentioned you saw Truly?
Mr. PIPER. I don't know whether it was a policeman or FBI or who it was,but another fellow was with him.

That someone certainly wasn't a clearly defined white helmeted motorcycle policeman in full uniform…

In spite of the hastily contrived script to the contrary, Was Truly & Baker actually together during the immediate aftermath?, Or were their separate experiences weaved together to FRAME an innocent party?

Who is the white helmeted motorcycle officer who rode up on an elevator?, and just who is this someone who was really in the presence/company of Truly?

Some things are plainly stated. Some things are not.

It appears that Mr Ball's question seems to indicate a policeman came up the elevator,to the 5th floor. However, Mr Williams's statement only indicates a policeman came up, to said floor.

Either way, accordingly, Mr Williams indicated that the east elevator was not within their view.

Additionally, I believe Mr Williams also indicated in his testimony, that 5th floor access to the stairwell was also not within their view, even if occupied by an elephant.

Certainly, I have to conclude that shelving, and cartons highly stacked effects viewability, as indicated by Mr Williams, as well as lighting, which gives cause for a white helmet to stand out in a warehouse, as the TSBD building was.

To my knowledge, DPD Chief of Police, JesseCurry, was not an eyewitness to the DPD Officer ML Baker encounter with LH Oswald.

As I recall

I believe TSBD VP OV Campbell testified/stated that he had not known, nor had seen, ​LH Oswald prior to the assassination.

Mr Campbell did not have to have known Oswald before he saw him in the small cupboard in the vestibule at the entrance to the TSDB to state that it was Oswald he saw there afterwards.

Mr Holmes :Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."…Mr Belin :Where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting?Mr Holmes :He said it was in the vestibule.Mr Belin :He said it was in the vestibule?Mr Holmes :Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part.Mr Belin id he state it was on what floor?Mr Holmes :First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.Mr Belin id he say anything about a Coca Cola or anything like that, if you remember?Mr Holmes :Seems like he said he was drinking a Coca Cola, standing there by the Coca Cola machine drinking a Coca Cola.(WCHE, vol.7, pp.302, 305306

Alan Ford Wrote:A common, reoccurring theme runs rampart/out of control throughout the Truly tall tale about running up the back stairs with Officer Baker…

First, they fail to see two female employees as they descend from the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] floor…on the same stair case.

Then, after leaving the wrongfully accusedor so they saythey fail to cross paths with three male employees…on those same stairs as Truly & Baker are supposedly running up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor on.

Now, it gets even worse, as if those aforementioned improbabilities weren't enough already to pull the plug on their phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter with the wrongfully accused.

How BIG was that fish that got away again, Mr. Truly…

Please read the following affidavit for the latest inconsistencies relative to 4tries Baker & tall tale Truly's run up the backstairs ---->

COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT

Name of Compainant
Assassination Of President Kennedy
Offense
John Wiseman, Deputy Sheriff, Dallas County Sheriff's Department.
Date Nov 23, 1963

I was standing in front of the Sheriff's Office at 505 Main Street, Dallas when the President passed and the car went around the corner and a few more cars had passed when I heard a shot and I knew something had happened. I ran at once to the corner of Houston and Main Street and out into the street when the second and third shots ran out. I ran on across Houston Street, then across the park to where a policeman was having trouble with his motorcycle and I saw a man laying on the grass. This man laying on the grass said the shots came from the building and he was pointing to the old Sexton Building. I talked to Marilyn Sitzman, 202 S. Lancaster whosaid her boss, Abraham Zaprutes, RI 8 6071, had movies of the shooting. She said the shots came from that way and she pointed at the old Sexton Building. I ran at once to the Sexton Building and went in. I askes some woman how many doors lead out of the building and she said 4. I left the building and found some DPD patrolmen and we came back to the building. I ran up the stairs and the patrolman started trying to get more help to search the building. I went up the stairs to the 7th floor and started up into the attic and noticed that the door to the roof was locked on the inside with a gate type hook latch. I stopped and started back down the stairs taking a quick look on each floor. I met more officers on the 2nd floor and then in a few minutes the place had maybe 50 officers in it. A better search was started floor by floor. About the time we got started on the 5th floor, Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney found some spent hulls. An officer of the Dallas Police Department told us all to get on one side of the room and make one clean sweep of the entire floor to see if we could find the rifle. As we worked our way across the room which was filled with boxes, we got to the front stairway when Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boon said, "here is the gun". It was about 4 feet in front of me in the aisle in which I was working. Deputy Boone stayed at one end of the aisle where the gun was spotted and I stayed at the other end of the aisle so that nothing would be touched. Officer Day of the DPD Crime Lab came and took pictures of the gun in its hiding spot behind the boxes and then moved it from this spot. I then left the building and came back to the Sheriff's Office to talk with witnesses. A Mrs. Mary Moorman was in the office with a picture of the President getting shot.

Relevancy?

Once again, IF Tall tale & 4triesBaker were really up on the roof, Why is access to it found to be locked during the same time and sequence in movement they claim to be up there ---->

Mr. BELIN - Do you remember about how long you stayed on the roof?
Mr. BAKER - It was a little over 5 minutes.

Did they lock the gate somehow from the other side?

Riight

Taking Sheriff Wiseman's affidavit into consideration, we know his quick, deliberate actions puts him at the locked roof gate within ample time to have seen someone else was already up on the roof (IF anyone was really up there)…especially parties claiming to have been up there, quote, already over 5 minutes

However, access to the roof was locked. From the inside no doubt.

Once again, here we have yet another individual (now totaling six unique individuals) the tall-tail-spinning duo fail to encounter on the same set of stairs, who once againlike the others before himSheriff Wiseman is in close proximity to their purported whereabouts.

He should at the very least have encountered them on the same stairs they purportedly took to reach the Ladder to the roof, a roof that was locked from the inside.

How BIG was that fish that got away again, tail-spinning-Truly?

Oh, My!, bigger than Moby Dick, golly gee shut the front door!, Mr. Truly, you don't say…

At the very least, Sheriff Wiseman should have encountered them in one of three places…either on the same stairs they purportedly took to reach the Ladder to the roof & back down again; or, on that same ladder as they climbed up to reach the roof, or up on the roof itself IF they were trulypun intended, Roy, up there.

Why are these men lying?

What are they hiding?

Why did the Truly purposely omit a stop on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] floor altogether on their initial ascent upward?

Their failure to encounter not even one of these six individuals on the same stairs is indicative of a hastily contrived script, one that fails miserably from its own self-inflicted legion of lies…


Side bar: For clarification sake, lest anyone doubts Mr. Williams' ability to actually see the elevator in question supporting the arrival of a white helmeted motorcycle policeman on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor ---->

Mr. BALL. Now, could you see all of the elevators from there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, by me being the tallest, I saw --
Mr. BALL. I am not going into what you saw. But could you see either elevator from where you were standing at "Z"?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; you could see this pretty plainly.
Mr. BALL. You mean the west elevator
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes sir.
Mr. BALL. Could you see the east elevator?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; you could not see it exactly.
Mr. BALL. Now, when you were questioned by the FBI agents, talking to Mr. Odum and Mr. Griffin, they reported in writing here that while you were standing at the west end of the building on the fifth floor, a police officer came up on the elevator and looked all around the fifth floor and left the floor. Did you see anything like that?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time I was up there I saw a motorcycle policeman.


Again, just who is this particular white helmeted motorcycle policeman arriving up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor via elevator, instead of via the backstairs?????

A hastily contrived script manages to omit six total instances where the viper pit of liars should have acknowledged others on the same stairs. Amazing what some people will do/say to FRAME an innocent party.

A legion of lies helped to create a phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter.

What was that? Say again, Mrs. Reid...an out of body experience ma'am?, get out of town!

Addendum: an accounting of Tall tale & 4tries Baker's time:

*90 seconds to reach their phantom encounter

*because Truly is a much older gentlemen @ 56, factor in an accounting of additional time elapsed as his now winded body gasped for air on each successive floor they had to run up...Snicker's bar, Mr. Truly?

*The ride on the east elevator up to the 7th adds additional time

*and. of course the still remaining grueling Ladder challenge to the roof amid sapped energy drained by the mad dash (so they say) up all those previous stairs on multiple floors below their ascent...adds additional time

*then, taking 4tries Baker's own admission into account of time spent up on the roof add an additional, quote, over 5 minutes

Yes, there's little doubt, the quick, deliberate movements of Sheriff John Wiseman enhanced an encounter with this winded party in their purported whereabouts. Yet, Tall tale & 4triesBaker stand at 0-6 amid their legion of lies about a phantom 2nd floor encounter w/the wrongfully accused.

LR Trotter Wrote:

Ray Mitcham Wrote:

LR Trotter Wrote:

Alan Ford Wrote:Mr. BELIN. And then what happened?
Mr. TRULY. Then we left Lee Harvey Oswald immediately and continued to run up the stairways until we reached the fifth floor.
Mr. BELIN. All right.

*Again, why did Truly and/or Baker's respective testimonies fail to reflect as they continued upwards to the 5th floor encounters with…

Mr. Norman (Harold) S1

Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray) S2

Mr. Jarman (James) S3

Who all were actually up on the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor in very close proximity to the elevator area…

*Yet not a single one of these three menwithin their own separate testimoniesshare an encounter with Truly & Baker?

A fair, objective inquiry begs the question Why?, though the answer is glaringly obvious.

*the only policeman seen was a white helmeted motorcycle officer who actually rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor, there's this exchange ---->

Mr. BALL. I will take this same diagram----
Mr. WILLIAMS. First of all we made a stop before we got to the last stop that we was when the policeman came up.
Continued…
Mr. BALL. Now, could you see all of the elevators from there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, by me being the tallest, I saw --
Mr. BALL. I am not going into what you saw. But could you see either elevator from where you were standing at "Z"?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; you could see this pretty plainly.
Mr. BALL. You mean the west elevator
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes sir.
Mr. BALL. Could you see the east elevator?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; you could not see it exactly.
Mr. BALL. Now, when you were questioned by the FBI agents, talking to Mr. Odum and Mr. Griffin, they reported in writing here that while you were standing at the west end of the building on the fifth floor, a police officer came up on the elevator and looked all around the fifth floor and left the floor. Did you see anything like that?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time I was up there I saw a motorcycle policeman. He came up. And the only thing I saw of him was his white helmet.
Mr. BALL. What did he
Mr. WILLIAMS. He just came around, and around to the elevator.
Mr. BALL. Which elevator?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe it was the east elevator.
Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody with him?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I did not.
Who was/is this white helmeted motorcycle policeman?
Why didn't Truly & Baker encounter him, especially since, quote --à
Mr. BELIN. And then what happened?
Mr. TRULY. Then we left Lee Harvey Oswald immediately and continued to run up the stairways until we reached the fifth floor.

And, rather than go into Mrs. Reid's outright lie again, suffice it to say none of us can be in two different places at the same time (in their haste to FRAME an innocent party, the viper pit of liars simply out lied themselves, failing to factor in the small, yet all important details ( a photo capturing Mrs. Reid out in front of the building in the same time sequence she said she was encountering the wrongfully accused). OOPS!

Truly & Baker failed miserably, Failing to include encounters with Mr. Norman (Harold); Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray); Mr. Jarman (James); and, also with the white helmeted motorcycle officer who rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor.

Mrs. Reid's blatant lie clearly exposes the phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter for the hoax it is. All four individuals standing in close proximity of the elevators, who didn't hear Truly yell up for an elevator exposes the hastily contrived script for what it was/is. Baker's multiple tries to get his lies, err, "facts" straight about a single event exposes the phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter as nothing more than a hastily contrived script. Discussions off the record exposes the phantom 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] floor encounter as the hoax it was all along.

The plain simple truth doesn't need multiple tries to get it right the first time; nor does the plain simple truth desperately cling to discussions off the record either.

Now, back to the plain simple truth ---->

Friday, November 22, 1963

"As an officer rushed into the building Oswald rushed out. The policeman permitted him to pass after the building manager told the policeman that Oswald was an employee." Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry

into the building ='s down on the first floor

"The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside & met
me at the door & went in with me. Shortly after I entered the
building I confronted Oswald. We left Oswald there, & the supervisor
showed me the way upstairs".

Conclusion: this encounter was also down on the first floor.

"Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We saw Oswald in a small storage room on the ground floor". -- O. Virgil Campbell

Conclusion: this encountercompleting a trifecta of sightingswas also down on the first floor

Saturday, November 23, 1963...a hastily contrived script rears its lying head...and the mounting lies simply out grow the hastily contrived script.

Man! Who was/is that white helmeted motorcycle policeman who rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor ?????

Who was that mysterious someone with Truly ????? ----->

Mr. BALL. You mentioned you saw Truly?
Mr. PIPER. I don't know whether it was a policeman or FBI or who it was,but another fellow was with him.

That someone certainly wasn't a clearly defined white helmeted motorcycle policeman in full uniform…

In spite of the hastily contrived script to the contrary, Was Truly & Baker actually together during the immediate aftermath?, Or were their separate experiences weaved together to FRAME an innocent party?

Who is the white helmeted motorcycle officer who rode up on an elevator?, and just who is this someone who was really in the presence/company of Truly?

Some things are plainly stated. Some things are not.

It appears that Mr Ball's question seems to indicate a policeman came up the elevator,to the 5th floor. However, Mr Williams's statement only indicates a policeman came up, to said floor.

Either way, accordingly, Mr Williams indicated that the east elevator was not within their view.

Additionally, I believe Mr Williams also indicated in his testimony, that 5th floor access to the stairwell was also not within their view, even if occupied by an elephant.

Certainly, I have to conclude that shelving, and cartons highly stacked effects viewability, as indicated by Mr Williams, as well as lighting, which gives cause for a white helmet to stand out in a warehouse, as the TSBD building was.

To my knowledge, DPD Chief of Police, JesseCurry, was not an eyewitness to the DPD Officer ML Baker encounter with LH Oswald.

As I recall

I believe TSBD VP OV Campbell testified/stated that he had not known, nor had seen, ​LH Oswald prior to the assassination.

Mr Campbell did not have to have known Oswald before he saw him in the small cupboard in the vestibule at the entrance to the TSDB to state that it was Oswald he saw there afterwards.

Mr Holmes :Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."…Mr Belin :Where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting?Mr Holmes :He said it was in the vestibule.Mr Belin :He said it was in the vestibule?Mr Holmes :Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part.Mr Belin id he state it was on what floor?Mr Holmes :First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.Mr Belin id he say anything about a Coca Cola or anything like that, if you remember?Mr Holmes :Seems like he said he was drinking a Coca Cola, standing there by the Coca Cola machine drinking a Coca Cola.(WCHE, vol.7, pp.302, 305306

So when did Mr OV Campbell discover that he had seen, apparenly for the first time, LeeHarveyOswald, and exactly where was a vestibile, on the first floor, and how close to the CocaCola machine was he standing and drinking his CocaCola while in or near the vestible? What time did the "sighting" occur?

Ray Mitcham Wrote:

LR Trotter Wrote:

Ray Mitcham Wrote:

LR Trotter Wrote:Some things are plainly stated. Some things are not.

It appears that Mr Ball's question seems to indicate a policeman came up the elevator,to the 5th floor. However, Mr Williams's statement only indicates a policeman came up, to said floor.

Either way, accordingly, Mr Williams indicated that the east elevator was not within their view.

Additionally, I believe Mr Williams also indicated in his testimony, that 5th floor access to the stairwell was also not within their view, even if occupied by an elephant.

Certainly, I have to conclude that shelving, and cartons highly stacked effects viewability, as indicated by Mr Williams, as well as lighting, which gives cause for a white helmet to stand out in a warehouse, as the TSBD building was.

To my knowledge, DPD Chief of Police, JesseCurry, was not an eyewitness to the DPD Officer ML Baker encounter with LH Oswald.

As I recall

I believe TSBD VP OV Campbell testified/stated that he had not known, nor had seen, ​LH Oswald prior to the assassination.

Mr Campbell did not have to have known Oswald before he saw him in the small cupboard in the vestibule at the entrance to the TSDB to state that it was Oswald he saw there afterwards.

Mr Holmes :Then he said when all this commotion started, "I just went on downstairs." And he didn't say whether he took the elevator or not. He said, "I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees of the building, so he told me to step aside for a little bit and we will get to you later. Then I just went on out in the crowd to see what it was all about."…Mr Belin :Where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting?Mr Holmes :He said it was in the vestibule.Mr Belin :He said it was in the vestibule?Mr Holmes :Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part.Mr Belin id he state it was on what floor?Mr Holmes :First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.Mr Belin id he say anything about a Coca Cola or anything like that, if you remember?Mr Holmes :Seems like he said he was drinking a Coca Cola, standing there by the Coca Cola machine drinking a Coca Cola.(WCHE, vol.7, pp.302, 305306

So when did Mr OV Campbell discover that he had seen, apparenly for the first time, LeeHarveyOswald, and exactly where was a vestibile, on the first floor, and how close to the CocaCola machine was he standing and drinking his CocaCola while in or near the vestible? What time did the "sighting" occur?

You had better ask Mr Campbell. He didn't say he saw Oswald drinking a coca cola in or near the "vestibile" (whatever that is -see how easy it is to mistype, Mr Trotter?) The vestibule door can be seen in this photo.http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.co.uk/20...floor.html

Quote:And, Mr Holmes is being quoted? Stating what "he heard" LHO saying? Or an interpretation of what "he thought he heard"? Did Mr Holmes take notes? If so, did he compare "his notes" with other statements/testimony? How soon after the "commotion" did LHO go "downstairs", according to Mr Holmes? Was Mr Holmes very familiar with the layout of the TSBD?

Mr Ford gave you a link to Holmes testimony. Read it and inwardly digest.

Alan Ford Wrote:First, a note of thanks & appreciation to you, Mr. Mitcham, for noting Holmes' testimony. In the few words he shared, he reveals what I'm leaning towards all along--that Truly & Baker weren't initially together at all during the immediate aftermath of the assassination. About that telling reveal, let's have a read ---->

Holmes testified that Oswald had stated that "A police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door, and started to ask me some questions, and my superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees.Wow! @ quote, "superintendent of the place stepped up and told the officers that I am one of the employees".

How could Superintendent Truly be in two places all at once? He couldn't. The wrongfully accused places him downstairs at the front door with officers (note plural), nowhere near the rear of the building, let alone running up the backstairs.

That reveal would certainly explain why no one--the two female employees; the trio up on the 5th floor; nor Sheriff Wiseman--didn't encounter the dashing-duo together....Why Dougherty didn't hear a call up for the elevators...Why none of the trio gathered together on the west end of the building didn't hear that call as well.

The hastily contrived script inserted the bogus call up for an elevator, a yell no one heard; the hastily contrived script needed the duo--Baker&Truly-- together on the backstairs instead of one out front vouching for his employee as he exits out the front door, while the other takes the West-elevator up to the 5th floor, the same West-elevator that Dougherty
brings down as per his WC testimony ---->

[FONT=&amp]Mr. BALL - How did you come downstairs?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Mr. DOUGHERTY - I used that push button elevator on the west side.[/FONT]

Moving on...

Freudian Slip? ---->

SENATOR COOPER - As you went up on the elevator could you see out of the elevator onto floors?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. The best that I could, that is the reason I wasn't paying too much attention to the elevator I was looking around all those floors.

Before counsel David Belin quickly redirects the discussion back to the contrived script at hand, leading the witness to an already pre-determined outcome (something he and his fellow counselJoseph A. Ballwere guilty of throughout MUCH of the testimonies rendered to the Warren Commission).

Again, just who was/is that white helmeted motorcycle policeman who rode an elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor ? ---->

Mr. BALL. Now, when you were questioned by the FBI agents, talking to Mr. Odum and Mr. Griffin, they reported in writing here that while you were standing at the west end of the building on the fifth floor, a police officer came up on the elevator and looked all around the fifth floor and left the floor. Did you see anything like that?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time I was up there I saw a motorcycle policeman.

Mr. Williams' context here is obvious...as in Tom Brady is a professional athlete (football), he plays quarterback (motorcycle policeman) instead of lineman (a regular uniformed officer).

Moreover, and what's more telling here is Mr. Williams shares that this particular white helmeted motorcycle policeman was alone. It's certain that IF anyone else was with him, Mr. Williams would have discerned different voices amid an exchange between that particular motorcycle policeman and anyone else with him given the excitable conditions at hand.

The only way Sheriff Wiseman (John) could have found access to the roof locked--as he did--was because no one had been up there before his discovery that there was no access to it. See *Side Bar below

IF the lying-duo was really up on the roof, Sheriff Wiseman, sharing the same time & space sequentially with them would have shared that within his report. He--like the remaining five others simply didn't encounter two people who were at those specific intervals apart. Apart, of course, until a hastily contrived script reared its lying head.

One that required a legion of lies to support it. A script that had Mrs. Reid sharing a phantom 2nd floor encounter with the wrongfully accused...in the same time & space she was captured on film standing two stories below on the opposite side of the building.

Who was/IS the white helmeted motorcycle policeman who took the West-elevator up to the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] floor ?

As noteworthy, thanks to the alert attention to detail skill-set of Mr. Mitcham, the wrongfully accused made reference to Truly, who by all other accounts was nowhere near the front door as the wrongfully accused stepped out into the open air of Dealey Plaza that afternoon.

*Side Bar: Anyone who knows even a little bit about canvassing & culling a crime scene wouldn't have unlocked the roof door (on the chance a real assassin had left his fingerprints trying to escape via that route), let alone re-lock it on their way back down. IF they really were up there as they claim, Wouldn't it be wiser to leave the roof unlocked until a forensic team arrived? Why complicate things further for members of their own team?

In reconstructing the actual movements of the vested parties that afternoon, more attention has to be placed upon the wrongfully accused's specific title of the person who vouched for him at the front door, quote, "my Superintendent", while at the same time--in the rear of the building, a white helmeted motorcycle officer rode the West elevator up to the 5th floor, got out and walked around over toward the East elevator...

Addendum: self-reminder to conduct some reading into a Lt. Kaminski (DPD)

LR Trotter Wrote:

Ray Mitcham Wrote:[quote=LR Trotter][quote=Ray Mitcham]


Mr Ford gave you a link to Holmes testimony. Read it and inwardly digest.

And, Mr Ford's "link" that you refer to, appears to be a reproduced presentation "saying what someone else said about what they heard someone else say".