Paul Rigby Wrote:Stripped of the task of protecting the president, the Secret Service would have lost budget, and, every bit as importantly, face and clout, not, you understand, with the mere politicians they guarded, or the public they purported to serve also, but with real power: and real power would have lost what was arguably its most important institutional cloak, under which cover Nixon was assisted to destruction, Reagan nearly eliminated, and the anti-Clinton campaign furthered.
On the eve of Dallas, the Secret Service, like the CIA, was fighting to preserve its real raison d’etre.
Not for the first time, Tricky goes to the heart of the matter:
http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard...ype=search
Post from the consistently excellent Gerald Ven on the JFK Lancer site:
Quote:One reason to extend Kennedy's protection was that the White House was could assign a Secret Service agent who would report on Kennedy's activities.
Nixon: . . . Then after the election, he doesn't get a Goddamn thing.
If he gets shot, it's too damn bad.
Do it under the basis, though, that we pick the Secret Service men.
Not that son of a bitch Rowley.
Understand what I'm talking about?
Do you have any body in the Secret Service that you can get to?
Do you have anybody that we can rely on?
Ehrlichman: Yeah. Yeah. We've got several.
Nixon: Plant one. Plant two guys on him. This could be very useful.
Source: http://www.nixontapes.org/emk.htm
None of this, of course -- NONE OF IT -- lends the slightest credence whatsoever to the ludicrous claims that Kellerman and/or Greer fired at JFK from within the limousine.
Claims, by the way, that can boast ZERO legitimate supporting evidence.
Good to have you back, Paul. Seriously.
Charles Drago Wrote:...Good to have you back, Paul. Seriously.
Sure is. Don't scare us like that Paul. We worry.
I have to agree with Mark. SOMEBODY in Dealey Plaza should have SEEN Greer fire.
Although I DO agree that the sources of the frontal shots were close enough to make it appear to the earwitnesses that the shots had gone off "in the car", it's really a stretch to think that someone, ANYONE could have so blatantly pulled a weapon in broad daylight and murdered the President AND NOT ONE PERSON EVER SAW IT HAPPEN.
No offense, but it's very hard for me to accept that.
Let me add this one point.
I DO believe that the SS was involved in the assassination of JFK.
I DO believe that their role was to assure Kennedy that everything was "taken care of" for his safety in Dallas, while at the same time REMOVING his protection and leading him into an ambush.
I'm absolutely convinced of that.
I'm just not convinced that Greer was the killer.
Gil Jesus Wrote:Let me add this one point.
I DO believe that the SS was involved in the assassination of JFK.
I DO believe that their role was to assure Kennedy that everything was "taken care of" for his safety in Dallas, while at the same time REMOVING his protection and leading him into an ambush.
I'm absolutely convinced of that.
I'm just not convinced that Greer was the killer.
An honest and reasonable position. I wouldn't say no to a signed confession, but you appreciate the difficulties we face in driving such issues to a definite conclusion.
Paul
Paul Rigby Wrote:Gil Jesus Wrote:Let me add this one point.
I DO believe that the SS was involved in the assassination of JFK.
I DO believe that their role was to assure Kennedy that everything was "taken care of" for his safety in Dallas, while at the same time REMOVING his protection and leading him into an ambush.
I'm absolutely convinced of that.
I'm just not convinced that Greer was the killer.
An honest and reasonable position. I wouldn't say no to a signed confession, but you appreciate the difficulties we face in driving such issues to a definite conclusion.
Paul
Gil, Paul,
I ask that you consider being more precise when you make statements that would inculpate entire agencies rather than individuals who serve as their officers and agents.
Neither the Secret Service nor the CIA killed John Kennedy. People linked to those agencies, however, in fact are among those guilty of the president's murder.
So too we must eschew the intellectual laziness that results in our significantly counter-productive blaming of Organized Crime, anti-Castro Cubans, Big Oil, Big Business, et al for a crime that reveals the deep connective tissue among those entities.
Charles Drago Wrote:Gil, Paul,
I ask that you consider being more precise when you make statements that would inculpate entire agencies rather than individuals who serve as their officers and agents.
Neither the Secret Service nor the CIA killed John Kennedy. People linked to those agencies, however, in fact are among those guilty of the president's murder.
So too we must eschew the intellectual laziness that results in our significantly counter-productive blaming of Organized Crime, anti-Castro Cubans, Big Oil, Big Business, et al for a crime that reveals the deep connective tissue among those entities.
I am in fundamental agreement with Charlie.
I spent 13 years of my working life inside the BBC, an organization which is clearly part of MSM and consensus reality.
In my experience, big organizations are broad churches, and the vast majority of people working for them are either primarily motivated by mundane concerns such as looking after numero uno, being "loyal, team players" in a naive sense, or even in just keeping their jobs.
Having said that, there are people inside an organization such as the BBC who are employed by intelligence agencies or other entities and, when the opportunity arises, speak in Their master's voice. It is also increasingly difficult for genuine investigative jouranlism to flourish in any part of the BBC, let alone MSM in general.
However, fundamentally, entities such as the BBC, the Secret Service, the CIA, MI6, do not speak with one voice. Some of their employees possess a moral conscience and have a breaking point.
A line that individual will not, cannot, cross.
Charles Drago Wrote:I ask that you consider being more precise when you make statements that would inculpate entire agencies rather than individuals who serve as their officers and agents.
Neither the Secret Service nor the CIA killed John Kennedy. People linked to those agencies, however, in fact are among those guilty of the president's murder.
So too we must eschew the intellectual laziness that results in our significantly counter-productive blaming of Organized Crime, anti-Castro Cubans, Big Oil, Big Business, et al for a crime that reveals the deep connective tissue among those entities.
I think that's a good call. One of the difficulties here is separating the institutions from the people within them. For example, in January 1995 the Secret Service destroyed survey reports pertaining to JFK's trip to Dallas. Does this mean the SS destroyed the records? Not exactly. Someone with the necessary authority ordered these records be destroyed. That person(s) may not have even been in the SS. In fact, the person(s) may not have even had the authority. The records may have been destroyed illegally by someone who simply had the power to do so.
Researching the Secret Service is fraught with difficulties--although Vince Palamara did great work. What about SA Tom Shipman, a driver for JFK, who died suddenly in October or November '63? Apparently his death is not listed in the ancestry records. It's hard to find out anything about his background or the circumstances surrounding his death. Perhaps it wasn't even his real name.
http://www.geocities.com/zzzmail/palarma.htm
The same goes for Emory Roberts--who almost certainly played a facilitator role in the assassination, imo. Apparently he was an ex Baltimore cop, but that's it. It doesn't necessarily mean he came from Baltimore. Nothing more about his background, marital status, date of death, cause of death or anything else for that matter. All we know is that he apparently tucked LBJ into bed each night. Who recruited him into the SS in the first place? Was that his real name? Did he really die in the late '60s? Who the hell knows?
One question for Charles or anyone who might know: James J Rowley became SS Chief on September 1, 1961. Was that appointment made by Treasury Secretary Douglas Dillon?
''Neither the Secret Service nor the CIA killed John Kennedy. People linked to those agencies, however, in fact are among those guilty of the president's murder.''