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BLAIR TO BE CALLED FOR BRITISH IRAQ INQUIRY

Independent, UK - Tony Blair will be called to give evidence to the Iraq war inquiry, its chairman confirmed today. Sir John Chilcot warned that his team would "not shy away from making criticism" if they uncovered mistakes. Launching the long-awaited inquiry, Sir John said the former prime minister, who sent British forces into the conflict alongside the US, would be among witnesses called.

He repeated his insistence that, "wherever possible", evidence would be heard in public, perhaps live on television, but some sessions would remain behind closed doors, "consistent with the need to protect national security, sometimes to ensure complete candor and openness from witnesses".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...64775.html

Remind me why we shouldn't expect a Warren/9-11/Diana-style whitewash from all this.

Charles Drago Wrote:Remind me why we shouldn't expect a Warren/9-11/Diana-style whitewash from all this.

...sorry, I can't think of why we shouldn't...in fact we almost certainly should - its a 'done deal' cover-up from the get-go. :burnout:

Quote:Iraq inquiry 'should be held in public'
Updated on 18 June 2009
Source ITN

Pressure is growing on the Government to hold an inquiry into the Iraq war in public.

Former Prime Minister Sir John Major said the inquiry risked being denounced as a "whitewash" unless there was full disclosure with witnesses giving evidence on oath, and the decision to hold it behind closed doors was "inexplicable".

And Lord Butler, who led a probe into intelligence about weapons of mass destruction, said: "The form of the inquiry proposed by the Government has been dictated more by the Government's political interest than the national interest and it cannot achieve the purpose of purging mistrust."

He told the Lords the inquiry should not just learn lessons about the war but have an element of a "truth and reconciliation" commission to it.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk...ic/3218732

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There ya have it.

The purpose of the whitewash is to "purge mistrust" about the government's motives for invading Iraq.

And in the highly unlikely event that Tony Blair is found to have been mistaken or to have manipulated public opinion, there won't be any recriminations or prosecutions. Just Truth and Reconciliation.

I've now wasted a minute of my life contemplating this charade....

I guess they can start writing the Public version of the Report even before they hold any private hearings....as the results are foregone conclusions :marchmellow:

Charles Drago Wrote:Remind me why we shouldn't expect a Warren/9-11/Diana-style whitewash from all this.

Here are a whole boatload of reasons why that's EXACTLY what we SHOULD expect.

Trowbridge Ford is prolific with his 'Deep-State shenanigans' output. Over the past year or two I've been somewhat bemused by much of it. For sure the guy knows his way around UK Police/Security State issues though, even if some of his speculations - often presented as fact - are at face value bizarre. I guess I should qualify that with the observation that there is a sort of tongue-in-cheek uber-provocative quality to some of it - maybe intended to provoke some sort of SIS response - or whatever. Anyway, his latest piece on the Chilcot Inquiry is a good read. It is a grand tour of Sir John Chilcot's involvement in covering Establishment backsides on such apparently diverse matters as: multiple blowbacks for dirty tricks against the IRA, the murder of Olaf Palme, the Stalker Inquiry, the murder of Daniel Morgan, corruption in Met Police high places; the death of Greater Manchester Chief Constable Mike Todd plus assorted other embarrassments and all of them apparently connected by more than just Sir John's laundryman activity.

[URL="http://cryptome.org/0001/chilcot-inquiry.htm"]The piece is a bit long to post here but his parting shot is:
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"With a track record like this, anyone who expects any surprises from the Chilcot Inquiry will be sadly disappointed."

That, IMHO, hits the nail squarely on the head.

Ah, decisions...which liar do we believe?

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Campbell says Blair blocked Iraq war advice

Sunday 24 June 2012
by Rory MacKinnon

Peace activists demanded that Tony Blair be put back on the witness stand and then in the dock today after his former spin doctor revealed explosive new details about the run-up to the illegal Iraq war.

The disgraced ex-PM barred his the attorney general from giving his ministers "nuanced" advice against invading, according to the newly published fourth book of Alastair Campbell's diaries.
Mr Campbell wrote that then-attorney general Lord Goldsmith had wanted to "put the reality" of the situation to the Cabinet before Blair blocked his report.
Lord Goldsmith had written a legal opinion to Blair on March 7 2003 stating that there was a "reasonable case" for the war but "also a case to be made the other way."
Yet less than a week later Lord Goldsmith chopped his opinion to just a single page after Blair's staff told him that the PM would "simply say the advice said there was a reasonable case."
Some estimates put the Iraq war's death toll at 1.5 million, including the knock-on effects of destroyed infrastructure and sectarian violence.
And anti-war activists said the fresh revelations meant that Mr Blair, Mr Campbell and Lord Goldsmith must be called back to the Chilcot inquiry into the war, which is now preparing its final report.
Stop the War Coalition's Lindsey German said it was a last chance to correct the official history.
"I think that this is yet another piece of evidence that Blair set out to mislead not just the British public but his own Cabinet," she said.
The fact that it came from "partner-in-crime" Alastair Campbell made it even more damning, she added.
But the world would "never, never, never" forgive Blair, no matter what the inquiry decided: "There will always be people around the world who see him as a war criminal."
Mr Campbell downplayed the story today, insisting that the attorney general was not at the time offering a "formal opinion."
Mr Campbell said he was "sure" that Cabinet ministers had already been familiar with the argument that an invasion would be illegal under international law, as it "had been well travelled in the press."

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index...ull/120626

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MPs demanded an emergency recall of the Chilcot inquiry last night after new revelations that Tony Blair blocked the Government's most senior lawyer from explaining to Cabinet the legality of the war in Iraq.
According to the newly published full version of Alastair Campbell's diaries, the Attorney General Lord Goldsmith wanted to "put the reality" to cabinet ministers that there was a case against, as well as for, military action in March 2003. But, according to his former spin doctor, the then Prime Minister feared that the legal opinion was too "nuanced" and would allow the war's ministerial critics Robin Cook and Clare Short to say that the case had not been made.
The disclosure is significant because, while it has long been suspected that Mr Blair and his inner circle put pressure on Lord Goldsmith to change his legal advice, this is the first evidence that the PM actively blocked the Cabinet from hearing the full details of the case for war.
MPs from all parties urged Sir John Chilcot, who has finished taking evidence and is now preparing his report into the Iraq war, to reconvene a special session to hear from Mr Blair, Mr Campbell and Lord Goldsmith. The former Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell said: "According to the diaries, Tony Blair was determined that the decision should not rest with the Cabinet and overruled his Attorney General. Sofa government prevailed at the expense of constitutional requirements. The diaries prove that once a decision to go to war against Iraq had been taken, intelligence and legal advice was manipulated to support that decision."
Lord Goldsmith presented a longer legal opinion to Mr Blair on 7 March 2003 in which he said he believed there was a "reasonable case" in favour of military action, but that "there was also a case to be made the other way". According to Mr Campbell's diaries, Lord Goldsmith warned Mr Blair that he did not want the Prime Minister to "present it too positively" in favour of military action because there was a "case to be made the other way". Mr Campbell wrote: "TB also made it clear he did not particularly want Goldsmith to launch a detailed discussion at Cabinet, though it would have to happen at some time, and ministers would want to cross-examine. With the mood as it was, and with Robin [Cook] and Clare [Short] operating as they were, he knew if there was any nuance at all, they would be straight out saying the advice was that it was not legal, the AG was casting doubt on the legal basis for war. Peter Goldsmith was clear that though a lot depended on what happened, he was casting doubt in some circumstances and if Cabinet had to approve the policy of going to war, he had to be able to put the reality to them."
But Mr Campbell added that this was blocked by Mr Blair and his gatekeeper, Sally Morgan, during a meeting of Mr Blair and his closest aides on 11 March: "Sally said it was for TB to speak to Cabinet, and act on the AG's advice. He would simply say the advice said there was a reasonable case."
Following the 11 March meeting, Lord Goldsmith produced a new, one-page legal opinion which put the "reasonable case" for war which was discussed at Cabinet and used in Parliament to justify military action.
In his own memoir, A Journey, Mr Blair did not reveal details of how he tried to block Lord Goldsmith. He said only that the Attorney General had "set out the arguments for and against and on balance came out in favour". When he gave evidence to the Chilcot inquiry in January 2010, Lord Goldsmith was asked by inquiry panel member Sir Roderic Lyne whether anyone asked him to "restrict what you said to Cabinet to the fairly limited terms in which you presented this to Cabinet". Lord Goldsmith replied: "No."
Sir Menzies added: "There seems to be a substantial difference between the contents of the diaries and the evidence given to the Chilcot inquiry, and the inquiry would be well advised to reconvene itself."
Last night Clare Short said she was not surprised that Mr Blair had been "deceitful" in presenting the case for war. Peter Kilfoyle, a minister in the Blair government, also called for the Chilcot inquiry to be recalled. "There is a straightforward contradiction between the two positions and it needs to be corroborated."
The Conservative MP Patrick Mercer said: "New facts have come to light and this makes me question whether we know enough about the then Prime Minister's attitude that justified the war."
Mr Campbell said last night: "Peter Goldsmith's legal opinion is in the public domain and it was no secret he had concerns at various points. This is entirely consistent with what he and Tony Blair said to the Chilcot inquiry."
Blair's road to war
29 July 2002
Lord Goldsmith writes to Blair that regime change in Iraq is "not a legal basis for military action".
24 Sept 2002
"Dodgy dossier" in which Blair claims it is "beyond doubt" that Saddam has WMD.
22 Oct 2002
In submission to Chilcot, Lord Goldsmith says "my advice was not sought" after this date.
January 2003
Blair tells MPs there were some circumstances where a second UN resolution "not necessary".
30 Jan 2003
Goldsmith warns Blair lawfulness of invasion debatable with-out UN Security Council determination.
February 2003
Goldsmith advises the "safest legal course" was to gain fresh UN approval.
17 Mar 2003
Lord Goldsmith publishes advice declaring military action "legal", giving "green light for military action".
21 Jan 2011
Blair tells Chilcot inquiry he "did not understand how Lord Goldsmith could reach the conclusion that a further [UN] decision was required" in January 2003.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...78737.html

Quote:Mr Campbell said last night: "Peter Goldsmith's legal opinion is in the public domain and it was no secret he had concerns at various points. This is entirely consistent with what he and Tony Blair said to the Chilcot inquiry."

Fuck Campbell.

Still spinning like a top.

Still getting paid.

Still full of shit.

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