Deep Politics Forum

Peter Lemkin Wrote:The point is bad people of any and all faiths or no faith are guilty and there are those in all faiths [not all cults] who are decent and against those others; and a proper perspective is important or one makes scapegoats of all those who are members of that religion. Hitler would have had me killed, though I am an atheist. That piece suffers from the same blindness, no matter how much of it is correct - the tone is not, and the hidden message as evil and wrong. Sorry. It needed being said. One of its hidden messages was that Jews were responsible for much of the problems in the world today. Not so. Among Jews you will find Neaderthal types and the most progressive fighters for Peace and Justice. Ditto Muslims and Christians, as well as other religions and atheists. Same for racially prejudicial pieces. Etc.

Peter, if I follow you correctly, it doesn't matter if the article was 100% correct, the tone was not. So therefore the article should be denounced as racially prejudicial and (most importantly) ignored.

Well, if I was a member of a club, sect, affiliation or brotherhood which behaved the way Israel does then I would resign immediately and denounce them instead of taking offence when facts emerge.

Stopping Israel from starting WW3 is a more pressing issue than concern over Jews becoming less popular. And Jews are responsible for much of the problems of the world today. That's a fact, not an expression of racial hatred. You only need look to Israel and the Zionists who control the mainstream media including Hollywood, as well as banking, finance and the US legislature.

Ed Jewett wants his country back. I want my country back. One of the two national public TV broadcasters here was recently banned from using the word Palestinians in the news coverage. A publicly owned broadcaster. How many foreign countries does Israel intend to control with this global network of Zionist string pullers, liars and manipulators? Zionists consider it very important to control what is said about them and Jews in general, because it allows them to get away with murder.

Ed Jewett Wrote:To Peter Lemkin (and everyone else):

Here is a short video which features former CIA analyst Ray McGovern and former State Department intelligence staffer Thielmann talking about the potential causes of armed conflict in Iran.

Listen to what they have to say:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/46970

Another article will follow.

Nice video Ed. Wake up America.

I take very seriously the commentary here above and elsewhere about being precise, being clear, avoiding stereotyping etc. Even my wife said the other day 'you've never acted like that' but, after explanation by me, "Okay, now I understand..."

Similar interaction on a discussion board elsewhere caused me to stop, not react, think, consider, do some homework, etc.

The 'anti-Semitic' defense has been present for millennia; I just found a very old use of it in a new piece of written history.

The rest of the information is out there. I need not and will not flood this board with it; that's not its purpose, or our purpose.

I fully agree that there are good people of all faiths.

But there is a mind-set that will take further time for me to precisely delineate and research and express which has placed my nation and the world at extremely high risk and it must be identified and eliminated ... not the people, not the religious faith ... but the mind-set, one which can inevitably only become widely self-destructive.

The quote by Martin van Creveld and others about Israel's potential use of its nuclear capabilities -- that it will use them to take everyone else down if they are not allowed to "defend" themselves -- ought to send warning signals out to everyone. Couple that with some indications that it and its supporters (call them the Zionists) have already indicated a desire to have a genotype-specific biological weapon - (reference the PNAC document)- and that there is some indication that they have been working on this for some time -- coupled with an arrogance about the superiority of their way, race, etc., and you have a prescription for mass murder. Couple that with the genocide already underway with other weapons and techniques, and you have some cause for concern.

If that means that I have to be labeled as "something", or dismissed or marginalized, or banned. well, so be it.

I would feel the same if we were talking about Buddhists, Catholics, Taoists, Libertarians, Buddhists, Samoans, or a small handful of people from North Dakota. But none of them have the political, media, banking/finance, or military control, tools or expressed intent described above.

This mind-set seems to be of a nature that is separatist, apartheid, in-bred, rigid, manipulative and controlling, failing to adapt and settle within another place or culture, and paranoid. It is elitist, at the distant unnatural end of a Cartesian over-reliance on rationality (failing to ignore right-brain or body-centered knowledge), and of an arrogant Darwinist nature (eugenics of a different sort), taking survival of the fittest to the extreme.

This seems to be some form of gargantuan self-fulfilling prophecy... 'how I got them to do it to us' -- and, in their unbalanced irrationality, it becomes some type of international socio-psychopathology.

Is it possible for an international mind-set to be a post-traumatic stress disorder that is going to explode and commit widespread mayhem?

Ed Jewett Wrote:But there is a mind-set that will take further time for me to precisely delineate and research and express which has placed my nation and the world at extremely high risk and it must be identified and eliminated ... not the people, not the religious faith ... but the mind-set, one which can inevitably only become widely self-destructive.

The quote by Martin van Creveld and others about Israel's potential use of its nuclear capabilities -- that it will use them to take everyone else down if they are not allowed to "defend" themselves -- ought to send warning signals out to everyone. Couple that with some indications that it and its supporters (call them the Zionists) have already indicated a desire to have a genotype-specific biological weapon - (reference the PNAC document)- and that there is some indication that they have been working on this for some time -- coupled with an arrogance about the superiority of their way, race, etc., and you have a prescription for mass murder. Couple that with the genocide already underway with other weapons and techniques, and you have some cause for concern.

If that means that I have to be labeled as "something", or dismissed or marginalized, or banned. well, so be it.

I would feel the same if we were talking about Buddhists, Catholics, Taoists, Libertarians, Buddhists, Samoans, or a small handful of people from North Dakota. But none of them have the political, media, banking/finance, or military control, tools or expressed intent described above.

This mind-set seems to be of a nature that is separatist, apartheid, in-bred, rigid, manipulative and controlling, failing to adapt and settle within another place or culture, and paranoid. It is elitist, at the distant unnatural end of a Cartesian over-reliance on rationality (failing to ignore right-brain or body-centered knowledge), and of an arrogant Darwinist nature (eugenics of a different sort), taking survival of the fittest to the extreme.

This seems to be some form of gargantuan self-fulfilling prophecy... 'how I got them to do it to us' -- and, in their unbalanced irrationality, it becomes some type of international socio-psychopathology.

Is it possible for an international mind-set to be a post-traumatic stress disorder that is going to explode and commit widespread mayhem?

I think one of the causes of Zionist paranoia is that they blame the rest of the world for the holocaust. The fact that the rest of the world was not responsible for the actions of Nazi Germany is irrelevant to them. No one else is to be trusted, every non -Jew is potentially the enemy. This might explain why Zionists insist on total ownership of the historical narrative pertaining to this unfortunate period in human history. As outlined in your post, people have been imprisoned for even disagreeing with the official 'facts'. That's paranoia run amok. And what kind of 'truths' require draconian mind control laws to protect them? It would also explain why Zionists want to exercise control over the media and legislature of so many other nations.

Much of the non-western world recognises Israel's sickness, the Arab world and the Palestinians in particular. But Israel's total control of western media blinds us to the reality of what Israel has become. However unpalatable this issue is to the more faint hearted commentators, it should be addressed honestly and urgently. It's probably not an overstatement to describe it as a life and death matter now.

Mark Stapleton Wrote:

Peter Lemkin Wrote:It wasn't 'Jews' either and that piece, while correct on the who didn't do things and some of the offending parties is making an anti-Jewish diatribe, IMO - confusing the few leading right-wing Zionists with the Jewish People in and out of Israel and forgetting that many right-wing Christians and some Muslims are as much to blame for the general World situation, and perhaps 911, as anyone. While there is much correct in the article, the slant is to me offensive. Politics and power, not religion [or lack of same], are more often the culprit.

It's regrettable you were offended, Peter. It seems however that most of the claims about international Jewry ring true.

It will only become worse for you as more info about Zionists and their antics slowly becomes common knowledge.

Is this some kind of threat, Bunky?

You know, the bottom line on all of this Zionist bullshit is that if you really believed it, you'd keep your damned little fascist mouth closed, because you'd be in imminent danger of being murdered in your hallway by the Mossad. The very fact that you run your mouth is proof positive that you are either really really stupid or you don't really believe it. Which is it, Bunky?

Steve Franklin Wrote:Is this some kind of threat, Bunky?

You know, the bottom line on all of this Zionist bullshit is that if you really believed it, you'd keep your damned little fascist mouth closed, because you'd be in imminent danger of being murdered in your hallway by the Mossad. The very fact that you run your mouth is proof positive that you are either really really stupid or you don't really believe it. Which is it, Bunky?

Nice to meet you too. My name's Mark not Bunky if you don't mind.

So Zionism is a myth and I'm totally misguided am I? And Israel's behaviour, that's all a myth too I guess. What's that? I should be silent or I'll be killed in the hallway? Well I quess that's one way of silencing critics, eh tool? As for your rude question, I don't respond to demands from Zionist tools. It's a policy I have.

Clear?

Gentlemen! A message from the Politbureau....
Can we please keep this civil? This can all be discussed with out resorting to 'Bunkey' and 'Zionist tool'
Or I will be forced to use

The Cone of Silence
No personal name calling. Stick to the issues, please.
Now, carry on.

No problem from me, Magda.

The implication that I should be keep silent or be 'imminently murdered in the hallway' is offensive to me. I'll do no such thing. I'll do the opposite, in fact.

He clearly wants the thread closed. It's a time honoured Mossad ploy. Looks like the DPF has its first sayanim.

Quote:And Jews are responsible for much of the problems of the world today.

This is acceptable here?

Adrian Mack Wrote:

Quote:And Jews are responsible for much of the problems of the world today.

This is acceptable here?

No. It is not acceptable here. I expect either a forthcoming clarification or withdrawal from the original poster. It is as sloppy and vague not to mention racist and inaccurate as saying 'all Americans/men/Christians/Australians are......idiots/bastards/psychopaths/perfect etc.'

We are in the process of setting up some framework for debating the issue of Israel/Zionism. It is an area that certainly needs to be discussed and cannot be taboo given so much about it is already taboo but we need to use clearly defined and common political definitions to do so and to not allow the debate to degenerate into racial slurs and other intellectual sloppiness.

If you want to help in this endeavor you are most welcome as are other members.