Magda Hassan Wrote:

David Guyatt Wrote:The murder story is starting to dribble out.

I just can't see how Theresa May can now permit a cover up inquiry to continue. She has to surely pull out all the stops and get to the bottom of this?

I wish I could share your optimism David. I don't trust them. I'm sure they will try discrediting the victims or they will pressured to drop it or disappear. On the other hand it is or should be easy to narrow down how many children were hit and run downed in south west London in summer 1979. That would identify one of the victims and hopefully lead to connections. God I hate t think of the flash backs and trauma that 'Nick' is going through right now.

More a case of wishful thinking, Maggie. I can easily see how one man's claims will be ridiculed and destroyed, in the same way that Lord McAlpine destroyed the story of his own paedophilia, which was untrue, even though he knew full well it was his cousin who was the paedophile, not him.

But there does seem to be a real battle going on inside the Westminster circus to bring this entire story to the surface and have those who are still alive held to account. Whether they will succeed ultimately, or the Establishment can bring it to a final close still remains to be seen. It is the last chance to get justice anyway. If justice is denied and the cover up succeeds, that will be the end of it forever.

So I hope for the best, but anticipate the worst...

The pressure continues to build...

Quote:Westminster child abuse scandal: Scotland Yard accused of 'cover-up' over death of boy in 1980s



Father reportedly claims his son may have died at the hands of a Westminster paedophile ring

KUNAL DUTTA

Tuesday 18 November 2014

Scotland Yard is facing allegations of a "cover-up" after a father of an eight-year-old boy murdered in the 1980s reportedly said that his son may have died at the hands of a Westminster paedophile ring. Vishambar Mehrotra's son Vishal was abducted as he walked home from Putney on 29 July 1981. He claims he received an anonymous call from a male prostitute in the months following.

The retired magistrate told The Daily Telegraph that he later recorded a male prostitute saying in a telephone call that his son may have been kidnapped and taken to the Elm Guest House.
Mr Mehrotra told The Telegraph he took the recording to the police by they refused to investigate the allegation. "He told me he believed Vishal may have been taken by paedophiles in the Elm Guest House near Barnes Common," Mr Mehrotra said. "He talked about judges and politicians who were abusing little boys." He added: "At that time I trusted the police. But when nothing happened I became confused and concerned. Now it clear to me that there has been a huge cover-up. There is no doubt in my mind."
The allegation is the latest in widespread claims surrounding an establishment cover-up at Elm Guest House, in south-west London, purportedly the venue for the abuse of boys from local care homes in the 1970s and 1980s. However, despite lurid allegations involving high-profile public figures, no charges relating to the guest house have yet been brought.

Also see the latest Exaro story HERE.http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5409/o...y-s-murder

More on the above story:

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Nick Clegg: 'Claims Scotland Yard covered up boy's murder are grotesque'

Deputy Prime Minister describes allegation police ignored tip-off that eight-year-old Vishal Mehrotra may have been abducted by a VIP paedophile ring as 'grotesque'

Vishal (left) and Vishambar Mehrotra









By Bill Gardner

9:58AM GMT 19 Nov 2014



The Deputy Prime Minister has described allegations Scotland Yard helped "cover up" the death of an eight-year-old boy at the hands of a Westminster paedophile ring as "grotesque".

Nick Clegg said claims that Vishal Mehrotra might have been abducted and taken to a now notorious guesthouse in 1981 need to be investigated.

Referring to claims first reported in The Telegraph in his weekly phone-in show on radio station LBC, Mr Clegg said: "You can't think of a more serious and grotesque allegation than that, and it clearly needs to be looked into.

"I think it is right for instance in other parts of the country that police officers have been, are now under scrutiny under the magnifying glass, for not having acted in Rotherham for instance."

He added: "We are in the early stages of really a reckoning with our past, of things happening on a scale and of a gravity which just a few months ago would have seemed unimaginable and almost too horrific to contemplate."

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Mr Clegg was responding to claims from Vishambar Mehrotra, a retired magistrate, who recorded a man saying in a telephone call that his nine-year-old son may have been abducted and taken to the now notorious Elm Guest House in July 1981.
He took the recording to police at the time but claims they refused to investigate an allegation implicating "judges and politicians". Mr Mehrotra, now 69, said it had been a "huge cover-up".
Last week the Metropolitan Police announced that they were investigating possible murders linked to the guest house in Barnes, south-west London and other locations across London. The new inquiry began when an alleged victim came forward claiming to have witnessed three boys being killed, including one allegedly strangled by a Conservative MP during a depraved sex game.
Labour MP John Mann added to calls for a thorough investigation into Mr Mehrotra's claims.
He said: "It is another extraordinary development and it tallies with other allegations. This young boy died in terrible circumstances and his family deserve a full police inquiry."
A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police has said the force will not comment on an ongoing investigation.

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Metropolitan Police detective's fears of Westminster paedophile 'cover-up'

Jackie Malton says investigation into Vishal Mehrotra's death in 1981 could have been compromised by the 'power of politicians' at the time

Jackie Malton, a fomer Policewoman Photo: Will Wintercross/The Telegraph









By Bill Gardner

10:48PM GMT 19 Nov 2014



A detective who investigated the murder of a young boy more than 30 years ago has voiced fears of a "cover-up" following claims that the child died at the hands of a Westminster paedophile ring.

Jackie Malton, the inspiration behind Dame Helen Mirren's character in the ITV series Prime Suspect, said the investigation into Vishal Mehrotra's death in 1981 could have been compromised by the "power of politicians" at the time.

"During my time in the police there was a feeling of misuse of power," she told The Telegraph. "There were a lot of powerful people saying, 'Don't you know who I am?'"

Now retired from Scotland Yard, Miss Malton was a detective sergeant when she worked on the case, which has never been solved.

Vishal, nine, was abducted as he walked home to Putney, south-west London, after watching the marriage procession of the Prince and Princess of Wales. He disappeared less than a mile away from the notorious Elm Guest House in Barnes. His bones were found in a Sussex field six months later. Last week, the Metropolitan Police announced it was investigating possible murders linked to the guesthouse.

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The new inquiry was opened when an alleged victim came forward claiming to have witnessed three boys being killed, including one allegedly strangled by a Conservative MP during a depraved sex game.
Earlier this week, Vishal's father, Vishambar Mehrotra, a retired magistrate, claimed he had recorded a mystery caller saying his son might have been taken to the Elm Guest House. He took the recording to police at the time but claimed they refused to investigate an allegation implicating "judges and politicians".
Mr Mehrotra said it had been a huge 'cover-up'.
Miss Malton, now aged 63 and living in Surrey, worked on Vishal's disappearance for about four months in 1981 before being seconded to another investigation, weeks before his father's tape was handed in. She said the culture of policing at the time meant it was possible the recording was ignored and the murder covered up due to the alleged involvement of senior figures at Westminster.
"There is clear evidence that something was happening at that guesthouse," she said. "If nothing has been done about it in retrospect, then Mr Mehrotra is right. Either the police disbelieved it, or they covered it up one way or another.
"I do remember that the officers were highly passionate about the Mehrotra case, but for some reason we never managed to get anywhere."
Scotland Yard opened Operation Fairbank two years ago to look into suggestions that high-profile political figures had been involved in a VIP paedophile ring and subsequent cover up.
Officers have set up a new strand of the inquiry, Operation Midland, after being passed information about the three alleged murders connected to the group.
Miss Malton, who retired from Scotland Yard as a detective chief inspector in 1997, was the model for Jane Tennison, Dame Helen Mirren's character in Prime Suspect. She was one of just four female DCIs in her Hammersmith-based squad when Linda La Plante worked with her for six months while researching her police series about a woman detective.
Working now as a full-time TV technical adviser and addiction counsellor, she claimed police officers during the 1980s often felt pressure from above when dealing with politically sensitive cases.
"Some inquiries would come to an end when someone senior said, 'That's enough'," she said. "I remember a case where there was an MP accused of cottaging and it all kind of disappeared."
Miss Malton said she had no specific evidence that officers in the Mehrotra case were leant on by politicians to drop their inquiries, and she never worked on the investigation into the Elm Guest House. But she said the influence of Westminster was felt throughout Scotland Yard during the 1980s.
"There was also a strong sense of the power of Parliament and of politicians. It was very much a case of 'do as you are told', she claimed. "There was certainly a culture of disbelief among the officers, and that often didn't help to get to the truth. But the politicians were very much in power, and the police officers' voices could often not be heard. It's very different now. Back then, people were nowhere near as accountable for their actions."
Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, described the allegations as "grotesque" and echoed Mr Mehrotra's calls for a proper investigation.
Simon Danczuk, the MP whose book exposed the former MP Cyril Smith as a serial abuser of boys, said he may raise the issue in the Commons today.
Mr Mehrotra on Wednesday said he had still not been contacted by officers investigating the alleged murders.

Clearly the media have been aiding and abetting the perpetrators. D-notices are only voluntary. And in no way should abuse of children be hidden behind bs 'national security' pretences.

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Media gagged over bid to report MP child sex cases'

Security services accused of aiding Westminster paedophilia cover-up

• Daniel Boffey policy editor
  
  
• The Observer, Saturday 22 November 2014 22.33 AEST
  

Barbara Castle, the former Labour minister, tried to alert newspapers to the case. Photograph: Chris Barham/Rex

The security services are facing questions over the cover-up of a Westminster paedophile ring as it emerged that files relating to official requests for media blackouts in the early 1980s were destroyed.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/...MP=soc_568

Two newspaper executives have told the Observer that their publications were issued with D-notices warnings not to publish intelligence that might damage national security when they sought to report on allegations of a powerful group of men engaging in child sex abuse in 1984. One executive said he had been accosted in his office by 15 uniformed and two non-uniformed police over a dossier on Westminster paedophiles passed to him by the former Labour cabinet minister Barbara Castle.
The other said that his newspaper had received a D-notice when a reporter sought to write about a police investigation into Elm Guest House, in southwest London, where a group of high-profile paedophiles was said to have operated and may have killed a child. Now it has emerged that these claims are impossible to verify or discount because the D-notice archives for that period "are not complete".
Officials running the D-notice system, which works closely with MI5 and MI6 and the Ministry of Defence, said that files "going back beyond 20 years are not complete because files are reviewed and correspondence of a routine nature with no historical significance destroyed".
The spokesman added: "I cannot believe that past D-notice secretaries would have countenanced the destruction of any key documents. I can only repeat that while any attempted cover-up of this incident might have been attributed to a D-notice the truth would be that it was not."
Theresa May, home secretary, this month told the Commons that an official review into whether there had been a cover-up of the Home Office's handling of child-abuse allegations in the 1980s had returned a verdict of "not proven". The review, by Peter Wanless, the chief executive of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, was prompted by the discovery that 114 Home Office files related to child abuse in the 1980s had gone missing.
On Saturday night the Labour MP for Rochdale, Simon Danczuk, whose book Smile for the Camera exposed the child sex abuse of the late Liberal MP Cyril Smith, said it was a matter of deep concern that D-notice correspondence had also disappeared, presumed destroyed. D-notices to media outlets are rare, with just five sent in 2009 and 10 in 2010, according to a freedom of information response from Air Vice-Marshal Andrew Vallance, secretary of the defence, press and broadcasting advisory committee, which oversees the system.
Danczuk said: "There are clearly questions to be answered as to why these documents were destroyed. They issue very few of them where was the need to destroy correspondence?
"It feels like just another example of key documents from that period going missing. We need to know more about what has happened. The journalists who have said that D-notices were issued are respected people with no reason to lie."
The two journalists, Don Hale, the former editor of the Bury Messenger, and Hilton Tims, news editor of the Surrey Comet between 1980 and 1988, both recall their publications being issued with D-notices around 1984. Tims, a veteran of the Daily Mail and BBC, where he was head of publicity for the launch of colour TV, said that his chief reporter had informed him that a D-notice had been issued to him after he tried to report on a police investigation into events at Elm Guest House, where Smith is said to have been a regular visitor.
Tims, 82, said: "One of the reporters on routine calls to the police learned that there was something going down at the guest house in Barnes. It was paedophilia, although that wasn't the fashionable phrase at the time, it was knocking up young boys', or something like that.
"The reporter was told that there were a number of high-profile people involved and they were getting boys from a care home in the Richmond area. So I put someone on to it, the chief reporter I think, to make inquiries. It was the following day that we had a D-notice slapped on us; the reporter came over and told me. It was the only time in my career."
Hale, who was awarded an OBE for his successful campaign to overturn the murder conviction of Stephen Downing, a victim of one of the longest-known miscarriages of justice, said he was issued with a D-notice when editor of the Bury Messenger. He had been given a file by Castle, by then an MEP, which had details of a Home Office investigation into allegations made by the Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens of the existence of a Westminster paedophile ring. The files contained the name of 16 MPs said to be involved and another 40 who were supportive of the goals of the Paedophile Information Exchange, which sought to reduce the age of consent.
Hale said he asked the Home Office for guidance on the dossier and the progress of the investigation but was stonewalled.
Hale said: "Then shortly after Cyril Smith bullied his way into my office. I thought he was going to punch me. He was sweating and aggressive and wanted to take the files away, saying it was a load of nonsense and that Barbara Castle just had a bee in her bonnet about homosexuals. I refused to give him the files.
"The very next day two non-uniformed officers, about 15 uniformed officers and another non-uniformed person, who didn't introduce himself, came to the office waving a D-notice and said that I would be damaging national security if I reported on the file."
A spokesman for the D-notice system said: "If Don Hale was served' with anything purporting to be a D-notice', it was quite obviously a fabrication."

And if it really is serious enough to require a D-notice why would there be ANY deletion of ANY records in the D-notice office? After all they are not parking fines or council rates it is really serious historical stuff.

Exaro have a strong piece HERE, about two former policeman, including one former Special Branch officer, who claim that police were aware of a powerful paedophile group of MP's but who were so powerful that the police were powerless to do anything about it. They add that they knew murders of three boys had taken place by the Westminster paedophile network.

Also, Exaro has more on Peter Hayman, the ex MI6 deputy chief in a charmingly caption piece: Revealed: "Peter Hayman, paedo spy. Tinker, Tailor, Soldier PIE."

They'll have to have a full and open enquiry now. There's no more room under the rug for any more bodies to be hidden.

Magda Hassan Wrote:They'll have to have a full and open enquiry now. There's no more room under the rug for any more bodies to be hidden.

I truly hope for that to happen, but as I said earlier in this thread: hope for the best, plan for the worst.

What is clear is that there is a sizeable and powerful group completely focused on getting this whole story out and for senior Parliamentarians and other VIP's to be prosecuted. I hope they are. But the Establishment has a million ways of avoiding the latter, starting with the political intransigence of place men inside the Crown Prosecution Service. Add this to the obvious fact that significant evidence has systematically been filleted from the files and then destroyed -- from inside the police and other agencies - and elsewhere - then the chances of prosecutions being successful is quite tiny.

The terms of reference to be issued by Theresa May in the forthcoming inquiry is vital. She has said that members of the panel will have access to classified and secret records. Perhaps there is nothing left in these to see? Perhaps those authorised to see these records aren't authorised to then discuss them or include them in the inquiry report? Perhaps the inquiry report will not be published - like so many before them?

But I hope for the best...

Silly ol' me.

Not sure where this info sources from but I read recently: WW1 had a 80 year D notice. WW2 has a 60 year D notice. Operation Ore & Dunblane have a 100 year D notice & David Kelly 70 yrs.