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Had John Lennon not been assassinated by Manchurian Candidate Mark David Chapman on 12/8/80 he would celebrate his 70th birthday today.

On 12/9/80, and in the weeks that followed the murder, I wondered if there had been government involvement. I read Fenton Bresler's "Who Killed John Lennon" and came to the conclusion the MDC was indeed a MC. Since then far more information has been unearthed to show that one more peace advocate- John Lennon- died at the hands of the national security state.

I have to really try not to hate what this country has become: fascist amerika. Actually strike that, I do hate it.

May we someday have at least the truth about all the assassinations.


RIP Johnny ...I will miss you forever.
Thanks Dawn. Knowing Lennon was obviously killed by a CIA Manchurian Candidate it's interesting to see some people associated with Lennon make public statements. It's interesting how the same monster that wacked John makes you conform and obey to how you will treat their murders and how you refer to them in public.
Wow. Doesn't time fly? Where did it go? I feel old.
You have to wonder where all these lone assassins are for Brittany Spears and Justin Beaver.
Magda Hassan Wrote:Wow. Doesn't time fly? Where did it go? I feel old.
You have to wonder where all these lone assassins are for Brittany Spears and Justin Beaver.

Smile When Brittany and Justin become famous for ending the wars....
just sayin..

I won't hold my breath.

It makes me cringe seeing people like Yoko make smiley "Happy birthday John" videos knowing Lennon was assassinated by mind-controlling evil spooks. To see those people forced to maintain that casual posture knowing Lennon was killed by some real government monsters only furthers the evil outrage of their offense.

Google: "CIA Killed Lennon" and read the comments in the first article. Alan is a good guy who had the backbone to stand outside the Dakota with a sign saying "CIA KILLED LENNON".
Dawn Meredith Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:Wow. Doesn't time fly? Where did it go? I feel old.
You have to wonder where all these lone assassins are for Brittany Spears and Justin Beaver.

Smile When Brittany and Justin become famous for ending the wars....
just sayin..

Yup, Manchurian Candidate Mark David Chapman was programmed to go after Lennon, not McCartney.

The deep black shrinks' use of The Catcher in the Rye as, speculatively, the hypnotic trigger text was a resonant touch.

So much so that Salinger's novel is implicated in the failed 1981 assassination attempt on President Reagan by John Hinckley Jr, who stated that The Catcher in the Rye was his favourite book.

The Hinckley family had interesting connections:

Quote:“ The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice-President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign ... Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley, Jr., was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the Vice-President's sons ... The Houston Post said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice-president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corporation, for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Company of Indiana. In 1978, Neil Bush served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the Vice-President's eldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock, Texas, throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980.[8]
What is really diabolically creepy about using 'Catcher In The Rye' as a hypnotic trigger is the fact it has a justification message cryptically included in the plot. The theme of 'Catcher' is based on a dream where the main character sees himself as a man whose job it is to catch children in a large field of rye who are running towards a cliff they don't see. The job of the main character is to stop the children from running over the cliff by "catching" them. Hence, the "Catcher In The Rye".

The reason this is especially creepy is because the ghoulish Nazi CIA mind programmers who programmed Chapman most likely used this text as a means of sending a direct message on why they killed Lennon. Realize these people are justifying their cowardly Nazi murder of John Lennon by sending this cryptic message along with their deed. In fact, this kind of creepy flourish being added to the method tells you who exactly did it. It was arrogant, Nazi-types in CIA, who are arrogant and ghoulish enough to send a justification notice along with their action. Just like secret agency characters in James Bond, these people think they are diabolically clever by stylizing their murder this way. In other words, it was meant to be figured out. The message was sent in the medium they were operating within, that is, subliminal.

That message was, simply, that John Lennon was a pied piper who was sending America's youth running towards a cliff they couldn't see in a field of high growing rye (marijuana). You have to understand the medium these Mengele Nazi CIA creeps were working in. When you take LSD things begin to obtain very illuminated paranoid meaning. The Gottlieb MK-ULTRA group was dabbling in this stuff and was no doubt also affected by it. I have no doubt they dipped-in to the magic potion themselves and were therefore of the mindset to send messages in this particular blood-dripping magical-thinking form. So what I'm telling you here is CIA creeps were working out on the fringes of human sanity under their Mengele-like MK-ULTRA programs and that they probably thought they could do fringe psychological warfare within this psychedelic landscape. I'm telling you, these creeps deliberately "stylized" this 'Catcher' symbolism in order to play with their victim's minds. CIA had literally entered the acid trip and done murder within it. They thought they were being slick.

So, while I praise Mae Brussel for broaching the topic, she, unfortunately, approaches the subject like a parlor granny when you can see from Lennon's murder that CIA was well along into some very bizarre and far-out stuff well beyond what Brussel could even imagine. CIA, and their Mengele mind-control monsters, had sent a death sentence and verdict along with their Manchurian Candidate. And what is even more creepy than this is they used the internal programming logic of the 'Catcher' to make Mark David Chapman believe he was the Catcher and was doing his duty as Catcher by shooting John Lennon. I'm sure the mind-control monsters who thought this up were congratulating themselves on the pure complexity of what they had done and the magical sense it made. Mark David Chapman simply said go to 'Catcher In The Rye' to understand what I have done. Thank you, Mark, I have.

It was a "Double Fantasy" of sorts...
It's scary how much sense this makes when you walk it through isn't it? It scares me to think if they could make Chapman a robot who else are they capable of controlling? I hope people understand that the monsters who are doing this benefit by being able to do things that are so bizarre and so evil that those describing them sound crazy. They deliberately work that in to their strategy so fools who scoff at it are prompted to react that way.

Chapman's advice that people simply go to 'Catcher In The Rye' to understand what he had done is a serious clue to mind-control. Why?: Because it shows that Chapman had a sub-conscious understanding of the book that he felt would be automatically understood by those who read it.

Well, why didn't MDC elaborate on what exactly in 'Catcher' served as explanation for what he had done? Answer: Because he couldn't. What convinced MDC that 'Catcher' was a holy book and divine guidance was something that was programmed into him at a sub-conscious level through Nazi, Mengele-like CIA hypnosis. While he 'felt' it to be self-explanatorily evident on a magical level (the same feeling that led him to act on it) he couldn't consciously explain it because it was something his conscious mind wasn't in control of. So MDC simply points people in the direction of what he assumes will enlighten those people the same way it enlightened him. It is monstrously horrible to imagine that Mark David Chapman could be as much a victim as Lennon himself. And that when he goes in front of a parole board to grovel that he was unwell at one time but is now well he is a tragic victim himself. Or that Yoko might actually be aiding those monsters who killed John by denying Chapman any parole.

I have nothing but contempt for the American people because if America was what it says it is the people would take this up in outrage and practice what we describe ourselves as. In America, the sure sign of a real conspiracy theory is people suddenly drop interest in it and stay quiet when it comes time to take responsibility and do uncomfortable/difficult things. The reason is Americans are people who have been trained to satisfy themselves and some other servile authority or agency will take care of things like this for them. In this case, however, like in 3rd world countries or Nazi regimes, those same authorities are the ones who did the deed.

The reason they sent the cryptic message along with their executioner is because they believed they were acting as legal authorities. These people are so arrogant and so elitist that they felt they were serving some greater 'legal' cause and imposing 'justice' on a violator (John Lennon). After all, you can't do something as monstrous as murder John Lennon without some serious self-imposed justification. If you examine the scene involved that justification would come from those who felt opposed by, or threatened by, Lennon. And, naturally, those people would be the legal war powers of the government and society. It's all right there. These people WANTED people to figure out what happened and what the line they were drawing, and would enforce, was. And no one could trace their criminal trail back through the fantastic landscape of intel hypnosis.

I go along with pretty much all you have written on this thread, with just one jarring exception. As an American yourself (which admittedly provides some leeway) you say:
Quote:I have nothing but contempt for the American people because if America was what it says it is the people would take this up in outrage and practice what we describe ourselves as.
As a UK citizen, I might as easily say the same about 'The British People' . I admit to being tempted at times - and harbouring similar thoughts - but I resist them.

The plain fact is that both the 'American People' and the 'British People' are, by and large 'The sheeple'. The pressures on most of their everyday lives are such as to make it impossible to devine what is really going on in their names because, sure as hell they will NEVER be able to do so from the Western MSM anyway. There is a fundamental need to trust their leaders at a basic level; to believe that their governments have their best interests at heart; the patriotism that is instilled from birth dictates belief that their country may make many cock-ups, but that it means well and is basically a misunderstood leviathan trying to make the world a better place. Absurd propositions all - as you and I well know - but that's the way it is.

Most people are basically good and have no wish harm others, but they are also all-to-ready to blame perceived misfortune on 'others' (based on largely imagined differences judged by skin colour, race, accent - whatever) and to be persuaded that they need protection from powerful wicked external enemies out to get them. They are simply suckers for snake-oil salesmen IOW - the plausible story that panders to their prejudices and keeps their fond illusions intact - so that's exactly what they get from the psychopaths with real power.

I have no idea what the answer is and confess in my dotage that I don't think there is one. Humanity is headed for that cliff with a bunch of arrogant psychopaths at the helm (as ever) and no 'Catcher in the Rye' is likely to stop it IMH and very pessimistic O.
Magda Hassan Wrote:Wow. Doesn't time fly? Where did it go? I feel old.
You have to wonder where all these lone assassins are for Brittany Spears and Justin Beaver.

Justin Brittany Spears Beaver?
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