03-12-2010, 07:29 PM
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03-12-2010, 07:33 PM
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote::rofl:State Dept. has ordered all employees to NOT look at Wikileaks website - even at home!.......Heil Clinton! Correction: State said NO USG EMPLOYEE CAN OR SHOULD look at or link to Wikileaks at work or at home!! Heil Hillary Hitler! :rofl:
and this is spreading...students at Columbia University have been warned of possible legal consequences if they pass on or link to Wikileaks!....Heil the Regents of Columbia! :eviltongue:
And the Guardian page linking to the 'live' Assange talk is DOWN!!! Correction: The ENTIRE Guardian site is down!
WAR! FIGHT BACK! :fight:
Uncle Sam threatening people's current and future employment, eh?
This is likely to end badly.
The world's Volkland Security apparatuses don't like us knowing even the smallest amount of actual truth, and are clearly gearing up for even more draconian crackdowns on freedom of information and the citizen's right to know.
However, the elites are - largely - losing both the popular debate (ordinary folk don't perceive wikileaks as a threat to national security) and the media debate (in Europe at least, where most journalists do not buy the Volkland Security claim that this is treason and puts lives at risk).
Given this, the Volkland Security factions need a "new Pearl Harbour" to obtain public acquiescence to yet more curtailments of freedom.
I'm watching for those flags flying falsely...
I fear you are correct about something horrible being cooked up as we write! I note that Obama has left the USA for Afghanistan. I think he just wants to be 'away' from all 'this'! I also note that NOTHING tempts people to look at something, than to be told NOT to...and lots of US Government employees [hey some are groundskeepers, park rangers, postal workers, et al.] are gonna peek - when they wouldn't have bothered before. I really start to wonder what could be in the 'insurance' file. The Ruskie threat is another wild card in this messy affair and I sense Assange will soon be arrested and moved to Sweden. That is not a real danger for him - it is what happens after the Swedes are done with him.....and the Americans send in the jackels or try to extradite him. If most of the major Universities and Corporations tell their students/faculties/employees to not look and with all the USG Employees [I believe that is well over 3 million, perhaps 4!], that is one hell of a lot of people being threatened with looking at something that was published in the New York Times, Der Spiegel, El Pais, Guardian et al. INSANE! I smell a police state a comin'....soon! :goodnight: As you posit, Jan, that would need a NEW new Pearl Harbor.....
03-12-2010, 08:03 PM
Raytheon forbids employees to access WikiLeaks website :top:
By Muhammed El-Hasan Business Writer
Posted: 12/02/2010 07:45:24 PM PST
Updated: 12/03/2010 08:50:56 AM PST
Dec 3:
CRITICISM MOUNTS: WikiLeaks under attack, fights to stay alive
Dec 2:
WikiLeaks founder's legal options narrow
Nov 30:
Brace for the post-WikiLeaks information big chill
A compilation of reactions to the WikiLeaks cables
STRIKING BACK: U.S. says leaks are a crime, threatens prosecution
Military contractor Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems has informed employees in El Segundo that they are forbidden to access the controversial whistle-blower website WikiLeaks either on company or personal computers.
Raytheon's directive, issued Tuesday, comes in the wake of WikiLeaks' latest disclosure of classified U.S. diplomatic cables that have caused embarrassment and possibly complicated relations with foreign governments. | MORE BIZ
The Raytheon memo says the company's WikiLeaks policy was in response to federal guidelines.
The memo reads in part: "U.S. Government agencies are releasing guidance to contractors. Reviewing information on WikiLeaks or subsequent disclosures is strictly prohibited. As a contractor to the Federal Government, this means ... personnel are prohibited from accessing WikiLeaks whether on company-issued or on personal equipment."
A Raytheon spokesman declined to comment on the memo.
It was unclear if all of Raytheon's 8,000 El Segundo employees received the memo and whether workers in other parts of Waltham, Mass.-based Raytheon Co. also fell under this directive.
In an interview Thursday, Pentagon spokesman Maj. Chris Perrine
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confirmed that the Department of Defense communicated with its contractors regarding WikiLeaks.
"We have put out information saying that WikiLeaks information is potentially classified and DoD has directed the military, civilian and contractor personnel" not to access the WikiLeaks website, Perrine said.
Perrine said he did not know if other federal agencies gave their contractors similar instructions restricting access to WikiLeaks.
"The issue for us is if they do it on a government system, and it's classified material, then it's classified as spillage, and then you have to take action possibly for that entire network. ... You may have to wipe computers completely clean. You may have to do a variety of things, and that takes a lot of time and manpower," he said.
Perrine said he was unaware of any Department of Defense policy that explicitly extended the WikiLeaks ban to the personal computer equipment of contractors' employees.
However, he added, "Any of us that have been granted access to classified information has been given proper procedures, and accessing classified information at home would not be a proper procedure."
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican whose district includes the Palos Verdes Peninsula and Port of Los Angeles, declined to comment on Raytheon's WikiLeaks directive, saying he had not read the memo.
A spokesman for Northrop Grumman Corp., the Century City-based military contractor with major operations in the South Bay, declined to comment on WikiLeaks.
The Aerospace Corp., an El Segundo-based company that advises the government on matters involving space rockets and satellites, said it communicates regularly with employees on security matters.
Aerospace said in a statement to the Breeze: "We reminded our employees that they have an ongoing responsibility to protect sensitive and classified information and its attendant relationships. Our security team regularly updates employees on security issues through manager flowdown, e-mail, monthly newsletters and an annual security orientation."
Raytheon's strict rules for employee viewing of WikiLeaks - even extending to personal computer equipment - is legal, according to professor Jonathan Kotler, a First Amendment expert at USC's Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism.
"Can they tell employees that they can't access certain sites as a condition of employment? They can do that," Kotler said. "It's very controversial. It's just perfectly legal."
However, a company is not allowed to require an employee to engage in an illegal act as a condition of employment, he said.
Kotler questioned the effectiveness of Raytheon's prohibition on accessing WikiLeaks.
For example, Raytheon's restrictions would not apply to the family of employees, who then could read WikiLeaks items out loud as the employee sits in the same room.
"They can bind the employees, but they can't bind the employees' families or friends of neighbors," Kotler said.
The USC professor said the only way the U.S. government can stop WikiLeaks from releasing classified documents is to have jurisdiction over the website and "convince a judge" that the website harms national security.
"But you must first get jurisdiction over WikiLeaks," he said, "and how do you do that if they're not in the U.S.?"
muhammed.el-hasan@dailybreeze.com
By Muhammed El-Hasan Business Writer
Posted: 12/02/2010 07:45:24 PM PST
Updated: 12/03/2010 08:50:56 AM PST
Dec 3:
CRITICISM MOUNTS: WikiLeaks under attack, fights to stay alive
Dec 2:
WikiLeaks founder's legal options narrow
Nov 30:
Brace for the post-WikiLeaks information big chill
A compilation of reactions to the WikiLeaks cables
STRIKING BACK: U.S. says leaks are a crime, threatens prosecution
Military contractor Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems has informed employees in El Segundo that they are forbidden to access the controversial whistle-blower website WikiLeaks either on company or personal computers.
Raytheon's directive, issued Tuesday, comes in the wake of WikiLeaks' latest disclosure of classified U.S. diplomatic cables that have caused embarrassment and possibly complicated relations with foreign governments. | MORE BIZ
The Raytheon memo says the company's WikiLeaks policy was in response to federal guidelines.
The memo reads in part: "U.S. Government agencies are releasing guidance to contractors. Reviewing information on WikiLeaks or subsequent disclosures is strictly prohibited. As a contractor to the Federal Government, this means ... personnel are prohibited from accessing WikiLeaks whether on company-issued or on personal equipment."
A Raytheon spokesman declined to comment on the memo.
It was unclear if all of Raytheon's 8,000 El Segundo employees received the memo and whether workers in other parts of Waltham, Mass.-based Raytheon Co. also fell under this directive.
In an interview Thursday, Pentagon spokesman Maj. Chris Perrine
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confirmed that the Department of Defense communicated with its contractors regarding WikiLeaks.
"We have put out information saying that WikiLeaks information is potentially classified and DoD has directed the military, civilian and contractor personnel" not to access the WikiLeaks website, Perrine said.
Perrine said he did not know if other federal agencies gave their contractors similar instructions restricting access to WikiLeaks.
"The issue for us is if they do it on a government system, and it's classified material, then it's classified as spillage, and then you have to take action possibly for that entire network. ... You may have to wipe computers completely clean. You may have to do a variety of things, and that takes a lot of time and manpower," he said.
Perrine said he was unaware of any Department of Defense policy that explicitly extended the WikiLeaks ban to the personal computer equipment of contractors' employees.
However, he added, "Any of us that have been granted access to classified information has been given proper procedures, and accessing classified information at home would not be a proper procedure."
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican whose district includes the Palos Verdes Peninsula and Port of Los Angeles, declined to comment on Raytheon's WikiLeaks directive, saying he had not read the memo.
A spokesman for Northrop Grumman Corp., the Century City-based military contractor with major operations in the South Bay, declined to comment on WikiLeaks.
The Aerospace Corp., an El Segundo-based company that advises the government on matters involving space rockets and satellites, said it communicates regularly with employees on security matters.
Aerospace said in a statement to the Breeze: "We reminded our employees that they have an ongoing responsibility to protect sensitive and classified information and its attendant relationships. Our security team regularly updates employees on security issues through manager flowdown, e-mail, monthly newsletters and an annual security orientation."
Raytheon's strict rules for employee viewing of WikiLeaks - even extending to personal computer equipment - is legal, according to professor Jonathan Kotler, a First Amendment expert at USC's Annenberg School for Communication & Journalism.
"Can they tell employees that they can't access certain sites as a condition of employment? They can do that," Kotler said. "It's very controversial. It's just perfectly legal."
However, a company is not allowed to require an employee to engage in an illegal act as a condition of employment, he said.
Kotler questioned the effectiveness of Raytheon's prohibition on accessing WikiLeaks.
For example, Raytheon's restrictions would not apply to the family of employees, who then could read WikiLeaks items out loud as the employee sits in the same room.
"They can bind the employees, but they can't bind the employees' families or friends of neighbors," Kotler said.
The USC professor said the only way the U.S. government can stop WikiLeaks from releasing classified documents is to have jurisdiction over the website and "convince a judge" that the website harms national security.
"But you must first get jurisdiction over WikiLeaks," he said, "and how do you do that if they're not in the U.S.?"
muhammed.el-hasan@dailybreeze.com
03-12-2010, 08:12 PM
Quote:Military contractor Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems has informed employees in El Segundo that they are forbidden to access the controversial whistle-blower website WikiLeaks either on company or personal computers.
Hmmm - fixed the quote:
"The Military-Industrial-Complex said we own your sorry ass: when you're slaving for us, when you're shopping in Walmart, when you're playing football with your kids, when you're shagging your wife, when you're asleep deep in the world of dreams. Awake or asleep. 24/7. You belong to US!"
03-12-2010, 08:21 PM
David Guyatt Wrote:For the record, HERE is the Wikileaks document of Hilary's National HUMINT Collection Directive targeting the United Nations.
For the record, I just opened that link, it works fine, and I cut and pasted the text elsewhere. The antidote for the big whoppers and their consequences is, at least in part, to post the factual evidence.
03-12-2010, 08:34 PM
Whistleblower website WikiLeaks, came back online with a Swiss name on Friday around six hours after its wikileaks.org domain name was shut down because it was suffering massive cyber attacks. “WikiLeaks moves to Switzerland,” the group declared on Twitter, although an Internet trace of the new domain name suggested that the site itself is still hosted in Sweden and in France.
More here: http://www.hindustantimes.com/WikiLeaks-...34130.aspx
More here: http://www.hindustantimes.com/WikiLeaks-...34130.aspx
03-12-2010, 08:35 PM
Peter, do you have a source for that State Department material?
03-12-2010, 08:45 PM
USMC Personnel (Marines/Civilians/Contractors) are hereby cautioned and directed to NOT access the WIKILEAKS website from a personally owned, publicly owned or US Government computer system.
By willingly accessing the WIKILEAKS website for the purpose of viewing the posted classified material - these actions constitute the unauthorized processing, disclosure, viewing, and downloading of classified information onto an UNAUTHORIZED computer system not approved to store classified information. Meaning they have WILLINGLY committed a SECURITY VIOLATION. :congrats:
By willingly accessing the WIKILEAKS website for the purpose of viewing the posted classified material - these actions constitute the unauthorized processing, disclosure, viewing, and downloading of classified information onto an UNAUTHORIZED computer system not approved to store classified information. Meaning they have WILLINGLY committed a SECURITY VIOLATION. :congrats:
03-12-2010, 08:50 PM
Ed Jewett Wrote:Peter, do you have a source for that State Department material?
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/3/he...s_students
State Dept. Bars Staffers from WikiLeaks, Warns Students
The U.S. State Department has imposed an order barring employees from reading the leaked WikiLeaks cables. State Department staffers have been told not to read cables because they were classified and subject to security clearances. The State Department’s WikiLeaks censorship has even been extended to university students. An email to students at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs says: "The documents released during the past few months through Wikileaks are still considered classified documents. [The State Department] recommends that you DO NOT post links to these documents nor make comments on social media sites such as Facebook or through Twitter. Engaging in these activities would call into question your ability to deal with confidential information, which is part of most positions with the federal government."
You'd have to ask democracynow.org That said, I did find a separate url about the same thing on google...but have lost it now...there is SO much now on Wikileaks, it is hard to keep track of it all. If I find it again - or another will post.
03-12-2010, 08:54 PM
France Trying to Ban WikiLeaks from Servers
Updated: Friday, 03 Dec 2010, 7:21 AM CST
Published : Friday, 03 Dec 2010, 7:21 AM CST
(AFP) - French industry minister Eric Besson called Friday for WikiLeaks to be banned from French servers when the whistle-blower website ended up there after being kicked out of the United States.
"This internet site ... is apparently since Thursday partly hosted by French host OVH," Besson wrote to the CGIET, the highest body governing the internet in France. "This situation is unacceptable."
"France cannot host internet sites that violate the confidentiality of diplomatic relations and put in danger people protected by diplomatic secrecy," Besson wrote, asking the CGIET to find a way to remove the site.
WikiLeaks was down for six hours Friday after its US server, EveryDNS.net, took it offline. The whistleblower had also been shunned by host Amazon.com Inc.
Shortly after the site went back up on http://www.wikileaks.ch site, the group tweeted, "WikiLeaks moves to Switzerland."
It was quickly pointed out, however, that the new domain name suggested that the site itself was still hosted in Sweden and France.
Updated: Friday, 03 Dec 2010, 7:21 AM CST
Published : Friday, 03 Dec 2010, 7:21 AM CST
(AFP) - French industry minister Eric Besson called Friday for WikiLeaks to be banned from French servers when the whistle-blower website ended up there after being kicked out of the United States.
"This internet site ... is apparently since Thursday partly hosted by French host OVH," Besson wrote to the CGIET, the highest body governing the internet in France. "This situation is unacceptable."
"France cannot host internet sites that violate the confidentiality of diplomatic relations and put in danger people protected by diplomatic secrecy," Besson wrote, asking the CGIET to find a way to remove the site.
WikiLeaks was down for six hours Friday after its US server, EveryDNS.net, took it offline. The whistleblower had also been shunned by host Amazon.com Inc.
Shortly after the site went back up on http://www.wikileaks.ch site, the group tweeted, "WikiLeaks moves to Switzerland."
It was quickly pointed out, however, that the new domain name suggested that the site itself was still hosted in Sweden and France.