06-12-2010, 11:11 AM
Great info there folks. Thanks! 
06-12-2010, 01:53 PM
It's taken a bit longer because of open orders, but I've now closed my Amazon account in addition to Paypal. Both organizations have been left in no doubt why this has happened.
The hell with them...
The hell with them...
06-12-2010, 04:33 PM
David Guyatt Wrote:It's taken a bit longer because of open orders, but I've now closed my Amazon account in addition to Paypal. Both organizations have been left in no doubt why this has happened.
The hell with them...
I assume you got the same PATHETIC and disingenuous reply Pay Pal is sending out to all those closing their accounts due to their closing Wikileaks account, as I did. I won't dignify it with posting it here. It did, however, end with the insipid PR ploy of "I understand your frustration regarding this matter." To which I fired off a very angry response that I wasn't 'frustrated' but FURIOUS and telling them it was the USG and Pay Pal doing wrong, not Wikileaks! :eviltongue: :reddy:
06-12-2010, 05:23 PM
Nothing so grand. I'd love to send a furious :eviltongue: reply....
06-12-2010, 08:22 PM
David Guyatt Wrote:Nothing so grand. I'd love to send a furious :eviltongue: reply....
OK. Here it is. Also note that Pay Pal is now located in Luxemburg - I'm sure I don't have to explain the 'significance' of that to you, David.:flowers: [also note the presumption of guilt, without trial or conviction of a cirme on the word of the OVERMASTERS of the Univreverse! The fucking Pay Pal man won't even dare post his last name, just 'Ian'.
Mr. Lemkin,
Thank you for contacting PayPal regarding WikiLeaks.
PayPal has permanently restricted the account used by WikiLeaks due to a
violation of the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, which states that our
payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage,
promote, facilitate, or instruct others to engage in illegal activity.
We've notified the account holder of this action.
PayPal was not contacted by any government organization in the U.S. or
abroad and asked to take this action. However, the U.S. Department of
State's November 27th letter to WikiLeaks did trigger a review of this
account, which we determined to be in violation of our AUP. The letter
stated that WikiLeaks activities were in violation of U.S. law.
I understand your frustration regarding this matter.
Yours sincerely,
Ian
PayPal
PayPal (Europe) S.Ã r.l. et Cie, S.C.A.
Société en Commandite par Actions
Registered Office: 22-24 Boulevard Royal L-2449, Luxembourg
RCS Luxembourg B 118 349
06-12-2010, 09:06 PM
Open Letter to Amazon.com
December 5th, 2010
I’m disgusted by Amazon’s cowardice and servility in abruptly terminating its hosting of the Wikileaks website, in the face of threats from Senator Joe Lieberman and other Congressional right-wingers. I want no further association with any company that encourages legislative and executive officials to aspire to China’s control of information and deterrence of whistle-blowing.
For the last several years, I’ve been spending over $100 a month on new and used books from Amazon. That’s over. I have contacted Customer Service to ask Amazon to terminate immediately my membership in Amazon Prime and my Amazon credit card and account, to delete my contact and credit information from their files and to send me no more notices.
I understand that many other regular customers feel as I do and are responding the same way. Good: the broader and more immediate the boycott, the better.I hope that these others encourage their contact lists to do likewise and to let Amazon know exactly why they’re shifting their business. I’ve asked friends today to suggest alternatives. I’ve removed all links to Amazon from my site, and I’ll be exploring service from Powell’s Books, IndieBound, Biblio and others.
So far Amazon has spared itself the further embarrassment of trying to explain its action openly. This would be a good time for Amazon insiders who know and perhaps can document the political pressures that were brought to bear—and the details of the hasty kowtowing by their bosses—to leak that information. They can send it to Wikileaks (now on servers outside the US), to mainstream journalists or bloggers, or perhaps to a site like antiwar.com, which has now appropriately ended its book-purchasing association with Amazon and called a boycott.
If you’d like to read further analysis of your cowardice, I suggest you see this excellent article by Glenn Greenwald.
Yours (no longer),
Daniel Ellsberg
from: http://www.ellsberg.net/
December 5th, 2010
I’m disgusted by Amazon’s cowardice and servility in abruptly terminating its hosting of the Wikileaks website, in the face of threats from Senator Joe Lieberman and other Congressional right-wingers. I want no further association with any company that encourages legislative and executive officials to aspire to China’s control of information and deterrence of whistle-blowing.
For the last several years, I’ve been spending over $100 a month on new and used books from Amazon. That’s over. I have contacted Customer Service to ask Amazon to terminate immediately my membership in Amazon Prime and my Amazon credit card and account, to delete my contact and credit information from their files and to send me no more notices.
I understand that many other regular customers feel as I do and are responding the same way. Good: the broader and more immediate the boycott, the better.I hope that these others encourage their contact lists to do likewise and to let Amazon know exactly why they’re shifting their business. I’ve asked friends today to suggest alternatives. I’ve removed all links to Amazon from my site, and I’ll be exploring service from Powell’s Books, IndieBound, Biblio and others.
So far Amazon has spared itself the further embarrassment of trying to explain its action openly. This would be a good time for Amazon insiders who know and perhaps can document the political pressures that were brought to bear—and the details of the hasty kowtowing by their bosses—to leak that information. They can send it to Wikileaks (now on servers outside the US), to mainstream journalists or bloggers, or perhaps to a site like antiwar.com, which has now appropriately ended its book-purchasing association with Amazon and called a boycott.
If you’d like to read further analysis of your cowardice, I suggest you see this excellent article by Glenn Greenwald.
Yours (no longer),
Daniel Ellsberg
from: http://www.ellsberg.net/
06-12-2010, 09:25 PM
Quote:I’ve removed all links to Amazon from my site, and I’ll be exploring service from Powell’s Books, IndieBound, Biblio and others.
I've been to Powell's Books a few times.They are located in Portland,and have an extremely fine reputation here in the NorthWest.They have been around for many many years.Give them your business,we're one of the top States for unemployment.
07-12-2010, 03:00 PM
Can we add Mastercard to this list too.
Tell your bank that you want to take your debt bondage business to another bank that doesn't tie you to Mastercard.
How fucking dare they tell us how to spend our money.
Tell your bank that you want to take your debt bondage business to another bank that doesn't tie you to Mastercard.
How fucking dare they tell us how to spend our money.
07-12-2010, 03:09 PM
Visa have just announced they've also suspended all payments to Wikileaks....
Options are being limited. All other cards will now join suit as clearly cutting him off financially is an important part of the plan -- as well as holding him in solitary in Sweden if he is extradited there.
I wonder if a Assenge defence fund could be established and that all payments be directed there. And the need will be to set up several other contingency accounts also, I suspect.
Options are being limited. All other cards will now join suit as clearly cutting him off financially is an important part of the plan -- as well as holding him in solitary in Sweden if he is extradited there.
I wonder if a Assenge defence fund could be established and that all payments be directed there. And the need will be to set up several other contingency accounts also, I suspect.
07-12-2010, 04:59 PM
David Guyatt Wrote:Visa have just announced they've also suspended all payments to Wikileaks....
Options are being limited. All other cards will now join suit as clearly cutting him off financially is an important part of the plan -- as well as holding him in solitary in Sweden if he is extradited there.
I wonder if a Assenge defence fund could be established and that all payments be directed there. And the need will be to set up several other contingency accounts also, I suspect.
They already do have one direct bank account [last I looked was not blocked - but no doubt soon would be]. It will take a very small and 'strong' alternative bank to not give in to pressure from the Big Boys. I will check again the status and post. Yes, however, alternate sites and accounts are necessary. This really is a 'whack the mole' game. I'm totally disgusted by this whole affair. I fear it will end badly unless we all fight hard and boycott all who have blocked or stopped Wikileaks and their money.