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David Josephs Wrote:Believe it or not... I've been put on a posting ban at EF...

::willynilly::


Guess I should see it as a blessing in disguise...

DJ

Unfortunately the rules force you to respect horse's asses and trolling deniers. I think Lifton handed Parker his prominent butt on a platter with his demolition of Parker's Walker Letter theory. Parker made a real gaffe in not realizing Marina had read the note the day it was left for her. Parker had claimed it was forged after the Walker shooting claim emerged. Marina could be lying I guess. It depends how far into the conspiracy she was.



Here is a comparison of Ruth Paine's handwriting and the Walker Letter. There's no way she forged it. Pay attention to the large loop on Ruth's y's and the non-existent one on Oswald's. The Walker Letter writer has a positive tilt to their p's. Ruth has a negative tilt. Marina's script has a sharp cohesiveness to it that is not present in the Walker Letter script:



http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/walkernote1.jpg





http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/m...0034/m1/1/



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There was apparently one occasion in Dallas in the spring of 63 when Oswald handed out pro-Castro leaflets. I think the "Walker note" was actually written for that event, telling Marina what to do in case the police jailed him.

Tracy Riddle Wrote:There was apparently one occasion in Dallas in the spring of 63 when Oswald handed out pro-Castro leaflets. I think the "Walker note" was actually written for that event, telling Marina what to do in case the police jailed him.

Are you sure Tracy? in Dallas?

He was in Dallas thru early April 1963... the FPCC was in NOLA, not Dallas and his arrest and leafletting was in July/Aug 1963 after he stops working for Reily.

At this point we really must accept that Marina would do or say anything needed to incriminate her husband...

Plus we already know that the ammo was different and others were seen... Oswald had nothing to do with this... and all the Evidence suggests a conspiracy to tie it to Oswald... not that he actually did it.

DJ

Parker now claims he thinks Oswald visited the car dealership and test drove the car.


He doesn't follow-through and ask why would Oswald set himself up by telling Bogard he expected to come across a large amount of money? He doesn't apply rational detective cross analysis to other incidences where so-called Oswald's acted aggressively in order to draw attention to themselves - including the Ralph Yates incident. This is clearly set-up behavior designed to create the image of a maniac in the public's mind. Almost like Greg's aggressiveness. He doesn't ask, if it was Oswald, what exactly made him expect to receive a large amount of money? He doesn't apply any rational consideration that the big event would make it unlikely Oswald would be settling-in for domestic suburban life nor does he process the fact that Oswald would not have any explanation for going from poverty to paying cash for brand new cars, something drastically out of line with his previous profile. It's almost idiotic to suggest that Oswald would think he needed a new car for a driver's license test when he could probably borrow Ruth's station wagon. Or that he would say he was coming back to buy it even though there wasn't enough time to do so before the test. Or that the non-driving Oswald would show car handling skill at high speed (Greg's pseudo-analysis Asperger's again I guess). Sorry, I must have missed Greg's apology for bullying people and being insulting and then admitting his Louis Oswalt stuff was complete bullshit he aggressively beat people over the head with and then abandoned as being ridiculous. Greg is a typical schoolyard bully. You can tell a lot about a person by how low they will go when losing an argument.

Quote:Mr. BOGARD. Ninth day of November, I think it was, to be exact.
Mr. BALL. 1963?
Mr. BOGARD. 1963.
Mr. BALL. What day of the week was that?
Mr. BOGARD. That was on a Saturday.
Mr. BALL. When was it? In the morning, or afternoon?
Mr. BOGARD. Afternoon.
Mr. BALL. About what time?
Mr. BOGARD. I think it was around 1:30 or 2 o'clock, as I was leaving town shortly after I gave the demonstration in the automobile and I was in a hurry.

The 9th of November. Bogard said he was leaving town shortly after the test drive. He would be very unlikely to mistake the day he had a trip out of town. He remembers it because he had to hurry the test drive because of that trip.


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On September 17, 1963, just about the time the Oswald frame-up was being set in motion, piano player William Simmons began working with two other musicians at Jack Ruby's Carousel Club in Dallas. It must have been a pretty easy gig, working evenings and getting paid to watch young ladies take off their clothes on stage. But was that all there was to the assignment?

Hiding in plain sight for more than fifty years, the FBI report below indicates that Simmons, and a fellow Carousel musician, drummer Bill Willis, lived in a house at 2530 West 5th St. in Irving, more than 15 miles away from the Carousel Club. As the FBI report notes, the house was "in the immediate neighborhood of MICHAEL PAINE, 2515 West 5th Street, Irving, Texas."



In years gone by, before it began to look as if Ruby may have been MUCH more deeply involved in the assassination of JFK than had previously been thought, researchers probably gave this document little thought. Even so, the FBI was being conservative in describing how close these two Ruby-employed musicians lived to the house where Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald and her girls were now living... and where Lee HARVEY Oswald often visited.

The picture below shows the Paine residence from 2530 W. 5th, the house where Ruby's two employees were living:



Looking out their front window Ruby's two employees saw this view of Ruth Paine's house. How much time at home could they spend keeping an eye on things at the Paine Residence? Well, six days out of seven, they worked just four hours at night, from 9 PM to 1 AM. A perfect way to keep tabs on the family of a guy being set up to take the fall for "The Crime of the Century."

Above is from newly updated material on the November 22 and Jack Ruby pages of the H&L Website.

Jim Hargrove Wrote:Looking out their front window Ruby's two employees saw this view of Ruth Paine's house.

While your premise is probably correct the view from 2530 was much further down the street. Close enough however.


Check out the Google satellite map.

You're right. Google shows 2530 W. 5th to be 217 feet west of 2515 W 5th. Still an excellent place to keep tabs on the Paine residence, but I'll try to rework the wording a bit. Thanks!

Also, in the original post above, I forgot to mention that Carousel Club stripper Nancy Powell ("Tammi True") told the WC that she saw drummer Bill Willis near the police station around the time Ruby killed Oswald.

Albert Doyle Wrote:Parker now claims he thinks Oswald visited the car dealership and test drove the car.


He doesn't follow-through and ask why would Oswald set himself up by telling Bogard he expected to come across a large amount of money? He doesn't apply rational detective cross analysis to other incidences where so-called Oswald's acted aggressively in order to draw attention to themselves - including the Ralph Yates incident. This is clearly set-up behavior designed to create the image of a maniac in the public's mind. Almost like Greg's aggressiveness. He doesn't ask, if it was Oswald, what exactly made him expect to receive a large amount of money? He doesn't apply any rational consideration that the big event would make it unlikely Oswald would be settling-in for domestic suburban life nor does he process the fact that Oswald would not have any explanation for going from poverty to paying cash for brand new cars, something drastically out of line with his previous profile. It's almost idiotic to suggest that Oswald would think he needed a new car for a driver's license test when he could probably borrow Ruth's station wagon. Or that he would say he was coming back to buy it even though there wasn't enough time to do so before the test. Or that the non-driving Oswald would show car handling skill at high speed (Greg's pseudo-analysis Asperger's again I guess). Sorry, I must have missed Greg's apology for bullying people and being insulting and then admitting his Louis Oswalt stuff was complete bullshit he aggressively beat people over the head with and then abandoned as being ridiculous. Greg is a typical schoolyard bully. You can tell a lot about a person by how low they will go when losing an argument.

Quote:Mr. BOGARD. Ninth day of November, I think it was, to be exact.
Mr. BALL. 1963?
Mr. BOGARD. 1963.
Mr. BALL. What day of the week was that?
Mr. BOGARD. That was on a Saturday.
Mr. BALL. When was it? In the morning, or afternoon?
Mr. BOGARD. Afternoon.
Mr. BALL. About what time?
Mr. BOGARD. I think it was around 1:30 or 2 o'clock, as I was leaving town shortly after I gave the demonstration in the automobile and I was in a hurry.

The 9th of November. Bogard said he was leaving town shortly after the test drive. He would be very unlikely to mistake the day he had a trip out of town. He remembers it because he had to hurry the test drive because of that trip.


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Oh I did not realize he abandoned the "Lewis Oswalt" at the car dealership. I can't keep up with his theories. I posted at Ed forum yesterday for the first time in ages. He replied, in his usual condescending manner, referring to my "busy schedule"- as if lawyers who work full time at NOT busy- and made a reference to "Albert"- I guess that means you and asked about a "Brian Doyle." (Am I supposed to know a "Brian Doyle"??? Is that your alleged "double" Albert? ) Hmmm, so CD was right all along eh??
So this is my question: Does he believe there were no LHO lookalikes, in his massive effort to rid the world of the concept of Harvey and Lee? I did not have time to read that long thread over there, but I did see some posts that seem to imply this.

And was it the real LHO at the firing range too? (Thereby setting himself up as the patsy to be killed. Now that's "research". ::rofl:

Greg's lack of judgment speaks for itself.


He works for a crew that denies the Ralph Yates witnessing. One of the worst victims of the assassination.

Albert Doyle Wrote:Parker now claims he thinks Oswald visited the car dealership and test drove the car.


He doesn't follow-through and ask why would Oswald set himself up by telling Bogard he expected to come across a large amount of money? He doesn't apply rational detective cross analysis to other incidences where so-called Oswald's acted aggressively in order to draw attention to themselves - including the Ralph Yates incident. This is clearly set-up behavior designed to create the image of a maniac in the public's mind. Almost like Greg's aggressiveness. He doesn't ask, if it was Oswald, what exactly made him expect to receive a large amount of money? He doesn't apply any rational consideration that the big event would make it unlikely Oswald would be settling-in for domestic suburban life nor does he process the fact that Oswald would not have any explanation for going from poverty to paying cash for brand new cars, something drastically out of line with his previous profile. It's almost idiotic to suggest that Oswald would think he needed a new car for a driver's license test when he could probably borrow Ruth's station wagon. Or that he would say he was coming back to buy it even though there wasn't enough time to do so before the test. Or that the non-driving Oswald would show car handling skill at high speed (Greg's pseudo-analysis Asperger's again I guess). Sorry, I must have missed Greg's apology for bullying people and being insulting and then admitting his Louis Oswalt stuff was complete bullshit he aggressively beat people over the head with and then abandoned as being ridiculous. Greg is a typical schoolyard bully. You can tell a lot about a person by how low they will go when losing an argument.

Quote:Mr. BOGARD. Ninth day of November, I think it was, to be exact.
Mr. BALL. 1963?
Mr. BOGARD. 1963.
Mr. BALL. What day of the week was that?
Mr. BOGARD. That was on a Saturday.
Mr. BALL. When was it? In the morning, or afternoon?
Mr. BOGARD. Afternoon.
Mr. BALL. About what time?
Mr. BOGARD. I think it was around 1:30 or 2 o'clock, as I was leaving town shortly after I gave the demonstration in the automobile and I was in a hurry.

The 9th of November. Bogard said he was leaving town shortly after the test drive. He would be very unlikely to mistake the day he had a trip out of town. He remembers it because he had to hurry the test drive because of that trip.


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On the 9th of November Oswald was in Irving at the Paines. So it is NOT possible that the person playing Oswald at the shooting range was the same man who went to the car dealership?

http://www.ctka.net/2015/chapter6_3c.pdf covers what the FBI and CIA where saying about their investigations into where Oswald was between Sept 24 and Oct 4 but looking at the documents and events chronologically...


and here are the rest of th elinks and articles looking into the Mexico City Trip: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6 I focus on the travel issues, not what happened during that time at the embassies - Bill Simpich and others do a much better job on those theories.. I show how the entire trip, as recorded in the documented history, is a fraud... and why. The documents are embedded in the work as well...



Mrs. PAINE - Yes, on November 9, which was Election Day,Saturday, in Texas.
Mr. JENNER - This was the weekend he was home?
Mrs. PAINE - This was the weekend that he was home, whichwas the last weekend he was home, don't call it home though.
Mr. JENNER - I am sorry. It was the last weekend that he wasat your home?
Mrs. PAINE - That is correct.
Mr. JENNER - And he arrived the previous day, evening orlate afternoon?
Mrs. PAINE - That is correct.
Mr. JENNER - Now starting with that Friday afternoon, pleaserelate the course of events?
Mrs. PAINE - Well, I will say that we went Saturday morningto a station in Dallas where you can take the written test and eye test thatpermits you to get a learner's permit, but when we got there that is all of us,children, Lee, Marina and myself, driving in my car to Oak Cliff--when we gotthere it was closed, being election day. I hadn't thought, realized that thiswould mean it would be closed. So we returned.


https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10408&relPageId=244
Michael gives Oswald a driving lesson on Saturday the 9thwhile sightings of another Oswald are reported at the Sports Drome. WCD 7(link above) contains interviews of Slack, Price and Davis who corroborate seeing someonethey identified as Oswald at the range on November 9th, 10th and 17th.