03-06-2013, 05:42 PM
Cynic me, but I can't imagine the corrupt ANC is going to turn over $1 bn plus in gold, diamonds and cash to anyone other than themselves. But that's just me.
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03-06-2013, 05:42 PM
03-06-2013, 05:57 PM
David Guyatt Wrote:Cynic me, but I can't imagine the corrupt ANC is going to turn over $1 bn plus in gold, diamonds and cash to anyone other than themselves. But that's just me.
Yup - the ANC is just getting its share...
04-06-2013, 06:32 PM
I wonder what got the spooks so antsy?
Sky News is a Murdoch outlet.
What was the British Special Forces operation in Libya in 2011 that could not be disclosed?
An operation whose protection was so important that the career of a "future commanding officer of the SAS" was derailed?
Of course, a British Blackwater likely beckons for some of the protagonists...
Sky News is a Murdoch outlet.
What was the British Special Forces operation in Libya in 2011 that could not be disclosed?
An operation whose protection was so important that the career of a "future commanding officer of the SAS" was derailed?
Of course, a British Blackwater likely beckons for some of the protagonists...
Quote:SAS officer suing Scotland Yard for wrongful arrest over suspected leaks to Sky News
A former SAS officer is suing the Metropolitan Police for wrongful arrest and imprisonment after he was detained by armed police investigating a suspected leak of classified information to Sky News.
By Alice Philipson
10:00AM BST 04 Jun 2013 Daily Telegraph
The man, aged 33, was forced to make a "hard stop" of his vehicle while travelling with his young son near Hereford before he was arrested by counter-terrorism officers.
It is understood the police were acting upon concerns raised by Lieutenant-General Jonathan Page, who was then Director of British Special Forces, that secret information about Britain's involvement in Libya in 2011 had been passed to Sky's defence correspondent Sam Kiley.
Communications data, including private phone records, were used during the police investigations, according to The Times.
Another officer working in signals, aged 35, was arrested on the same day in March 2011.
Both men were informed in July that they would not face charges and the 33-year-old SAS officer, who cannot be named for legal reasons, resigned his commission in protest over the way he'd been treated.
He was described by Colonel Richard Williams, the former commander of the SAS, as "the leading light in his generation" and "a future SAS commanding officer."
The Colonel added: "To have sacrificed his and the other officer's career on what appears to be exaggerated and false charges is not just extraordinary, is frankly a betrayal of trust."
Simon McKay, the high-flying SAS officer's lawyer, told the Times: "I am able to confirm that I have today taken steps to issue proceedings against the Commissioner for the Metropolitan Police. My client is seeking substantial damages for unlawful arrest and false imprisonment."
The MoD said: "We have received a request for information from solicitors acting for a former soldier. The MoD is considering its response. It would be inappropriate to comment further."
A spokesman for Scotland Yard said proceedings had not yet been issued against the force.
In December 2011, Sky successfully appealed a challenge from Scotland Yard to access Mr Kiley's work emails.
It is understood Mr Kiley knew the officers from a visit to Helmand in 2008, where both solders were serving. The reporter was embedded with British troops and was writing a book called Desperate Glory.
05-06-2013, 01:13 AM
Judging from the dates involved I'd say it looks like it goes back to the beginning when they were not supposed to be there at all. [URL="https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6804-Libya-A-no-lie-zone&p=36503#post36503"]https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6804-Libya-A-no-lie-zone&p=36503#post36503
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:I wonder what got the spooks so antsy?
Sky News is a Murdoch outlet.
What was the British Special Forces operation in Libya in 2011 that could not be disclosed?
An operation whose protection was so important that the career of a "future commanding officer of the SAS" was derailed?
Of course, a British Blackwater likely beckons for some of the protagonists...
Quote:SAS officer suing Scotland Yard for wrongful arrest over suspected leaks to Sky News
A former SAS officer is suing the Metropolitan Police for wrongful arrest and imprisonment after he was detained by armed police investigating a suspected leak of classified information to Sky News.
By Alice Philipson
10:00AM BST 04 Jun 2013 Daily Telegraph
The man, aged 33, was forced to make a "hard stop" of his vehicle while travelling with his young son near Hereford before he was arrested by counter-terrorism officers.
It is understood the police were acting upon concerns raised by Lieutenant-General Jonathan Page, who was then Director of British Special Forces, that secret information about Britain's involvement in Libya in 2011 had been passed to Sky's defence correspondent Sam Kiley.
Communications data, including private phone records, were used during the police investigations, according to The Times.
Another officer working in signals, aged 35, was arrested on the same day in March 2011.
Both men were informed in July that they would not face charges and the 33-year-old SAS officer, who cannot be named for legal reasons, resigned his commission in protest over the way he'd been treated.
He was described by Colonel Richard Williams, the former commander of the SAS, as "the leading light in his generation" and "a future SAS commanding officer."
The Colonel added: "To have sacrificed his and the other officer's career on what appears to be exaggerated and false charges is not just extraordinary, is frankly a betrayal of trust."
Simon McKay, the high-flying SAS officer's lawyer, told the Times: "I am able to confirm that I have today taken steps to issue proceedings against the Commissioner for the Metropolitan Police. My client is seeking substantial damages for unlawful arrest and false imprisonment."
The MoD said: "We have received a request for information from solicitors acting for a former soldier. The MoD is considering its response. It would be inappropriate to comment further."
A spokesman for Scotland Yard said proceedings had not yet been issued against the force.
In December 2011, Sky successfully appealed a challenge from Scotland Yard to access Mr Kiley's work emails.
It is understood Mr Kiley knew the officers from a visit to Helmand in 2008, where both solders were serving. The reporter was embedded with British troops and was writing a book called Desperate Glory.
05-06-2013, 02:22 PM
This whole affair sounds very grubby indeed - perhaps another Sky phone hacking event blamed on or deflected upon a serving SAS officer?
I seem to remember stories circulating that Gadaffi was an MI6 man? Maybe the operation was to remove any evidence of this possible "arrangement" prior to taking Gadaffi out?
I seem to remember stories circulating that Gadaffi was an MI6 man? Maybe the operation was to remove any evidence of this possible "arrangement" prior to taking Gadaffi out?
05-06-2013, 10:42 PM
David Guyatt Wrote:This whole affair sounds very grubby indeed - perhaps another Sky phone hacking event blamed on or deflected upon a serving SAS officer?Yes, that is a possibility. Maybe his son has that evidence. He seemed to have some on Sarkozy.
I seem to remember stories circulating that Gadaffi was an MI6 man? Maybe the operation was to remove any evidence of this possible "arrangement" prior to taking Gadaffi out?
17-07-2013, 12:44 PM
from http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Squabble-ov...A-20130616
Jun 16 2013 17:41 Jacques Pauw and Thanduxolo Jika
Clearly the "recovered" money minus "recovery fee" and expenses is to be paid out in South-African weapons. Nothing that Libya needs more...
Jun 16 2013 17:41 Jacques Pauw and Thanduxolo Jika
Quote:Johannesburg - Two Libyan factions have claimed rights over ousted leader Muammar Gaddafi's treasures stashed in South Africa, City Press reported on Sunday.
Allegations of forged documents, falsified Interpol warrants, and individuals and groups trying to steal the loot emerged after it was recovered.
The Treasury admitted last week that Gaddafi assets, including diamonds, gold and cash to the value of about R10bn, would be returned to Libya in accordance with UN guidelines.
This is the largest haul of Libyan assets found so far. Gaddafi and his cronies stashed away more than $100bn during the dictator's 42 years of rule.
Libyan investigators believe that a sizeable chunk of it was hidden in southern African banks, companies and trusts.
While one group is accusing ANC heavyweights of assisting an "illegitimate" group to recover the assets, the other already held talks with Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula and promised to buy about R8bn worth of weapons with the recovered loot.
They also believe crates with gold and cash came via private planes into South Africa.
In an interview with City Press, the second team slammed the alleged role of ANC security head Tito Maleka and ANC-connected businessperson Jackie Mphafudi in the recovery of $1bn of Gaddafi's assets.
City Press was told the second team would shortly arrive in the country. They reportedly teamed up with controversial South African weapons dealer Johan Erasmus.
Erasmus said there was a 10% "recovery fee" on the Gaddafi billions.
According to Erasmus, Mphafudi and Maleka accompanied the two Libyan investigators to see President Jacob Zuma at his Nkandla homestead.
ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said last week the ANC was not involved in the recovery of Gaddafi's assets.
City Press understands that Tag and Goaied have visited South Africa regularly since the fall of Gaddafi to make enquiries about the hidden loot.
Erasmus confirmed that he was in partnership with Goaied and that they had presented Denel with an enormous "shopping list" of arms, including Rooivalk attack helicopters, G6 cannons, unmanned aerial vehicles and missiles.
Clearly the "recovered" money minus "recovery fee" and expenses is to be paid out in South-African weapons. Nothing that Libya needs more...
04-08-2013, 10:41 AM
Exclusive: Dozens of CIA operatives on the ground during Benghazi attack 8/3/13
CNN has uncovered exclusive new information about what is allegedly happening at the CIA, in the wake of the deadly Benghazi terror attack.
Four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens, were killed in the assault by armed militants last September 11 in eastern Libya.
Programming note: Was there a political cover up surrounding the Benghazi attack that killed four Americans? Watch a CNN special investigation The Truth About Benghazi, Tuesday at 10 p.m. ET.
Sources now tell CNN dozens of people working for the CIA were on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret.
CNN has learned the CIA is involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency's Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out.
Read: Analysis: CIA role in Benghazi underreported
Since January, some CIA operatives involved in the agency's missions in Libya, have been subjected to frequent, even monthly polygraph examinations, according to a source with deep inside knowledge of the agency's workings.
The goal of the questioning, according to sources, is to find out if anyone is talking to the media or Congress.
It is being described as pure intimidation, with the threat that any unauthorized CIA employee who leaks information could face the end of his or her career.
In exclusive communications obtained by CNN, one insider writes, "You don't jeopardize yourself, you jeopardize your family as well."
Another says, "You have no idea the amount of pressure being brought to bear on anyone with knowledge of this operation."
"Agency employees typically are polygraphed every three to four years. Never more than that," said former CIA operative and CNN analyst Robert Baer.
In other words, the rate of the kind of polygraphs alleged by sources is rare.
"If somebody is being polygraphed every month, or every two months it's called an issue polygraph, and that means that the polygraph division suspects something, or they're looking for something, or they're on a fishing expedition. But it's absolutely not routine at all to be polygraphed monthly, or bi-monthly," said Baer.
CIA spokesman Dean Boyd asserted in a statement that the agency has been open with Congress.
"The CIA has worked closely with its oversight committees to provide them with an extraordinary amount of information related to the attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi," the statement said.
"CIA employees are always free to speak to Congress if they want," the statement continued. "The CIA enabled all officers involved in Benghazi the opportunity to meet with Congress. We are not aware of any CIA employee who has experienced retaliation, including any non-routine security procedures, or who has been prevented from sharing a concern with Congress about the Benghazi incident."
Among the many secrets still yet to be told about the Benghazi mission, is just how many Americans were there the night of the attack.
A source now tells CNN that number was 35, with as many as seven wounded, some seriously.
While it is still not known how many of them were CIA, a source tells CNN that 21 Americans were working in the building known as the annex, believed to be run by the agency.
The lack of information and pressure to silence CIA operatives is disturbing to U.S. Rep. Frank Wolf, whose district includes CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
"I think it is a form of a cover-up, and I think it's an attempt to push it under the rug, and I think the American people are feeling the same way," said the Republican.
"We should have the people who were on the scene come in, testify under oath, do it publicly, and lay it out. And there really isn't any national security issue involved with regards to that," he said.
Wolf has repeatedly gone to the House floor, asking for a select committee to be set-up, a Watergate-style probe involving several intelligence committee investigators assigned to get to the bottom of the failures that took place in Benghazi, and find out just what the State Department and CIA were doing there.
More than 150 fellow Republican members of Congress have signed his request, and just this week eight Republicans sent a letter to the new head of the FBI, James Comey, asking that he brief Congress within 30 days.
Read: White House releases 100 pages of Benghazi e-mails
In the aftermath of the attack, Wolf said he was contacted by people closely tied with CIA operatives and contractors who wanted to talk.
Then suddenly, there was silence.
"Initially they were not afraid to come forward. They wanted the opportunity, and they wanted to be subpoenaed, because if you're subpoenaed, it sort of protects you, you're forced to come before Congress. Now that's all changed," said Wolf.
Lawmakers also want to know about the weapons in Libya, and what happened to them.
Speculation on Capitol Hill has included the possibility the U.S. agencies operating in Benghazi were secretly helping to move surface-to-air missiles out of Libya, through Turkey, and into the hands of Syrian rebels.
It is clear that two U.S. agencies were operating in Benghazi, one was the State Department, and the other was the CIA.
The State Department told CNN in an e-mail that it was only helping the new Libyan government destroy weapons deemed "damaged, aged or too unsafe retain," and that it was not involved in any transfer of weapons to other countries.
But the State Department also clearly told CNN, they "can't speak for any other agencies."
The CIA would not comment on whether it was involved in the transfer of any weapons.
CNN has uncovered exclusive new information about what is allegedly happening at the CIA, in the wake of the deadly Benghazi terror attack.
Four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens, were killed in the assault by armed militants last September 11 in eastern Libya.
Programming note: Was there a political cover up surrounding the Benghazi attack that killed four Americans? Watch a CNN special investigation The Truth About Benghazi, Tuesday at 10 p.m. ET.
Sources now tell CNN dozens of people working for the CIA were on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret.
CNN has learned the CIA is involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency's Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out.
Read: Analysis: CIA role in Benghazi underreported
Since January, some CIA operatives involved in the agency's missions in Libya, have been subjected to frequent, even monthly polygraph examinations, according to a source with deep inside knowledge of the agency's workings.
The goal of the questioning, according to sources, is to find out if anyone is talking to the media or Congress.
It is being described as pure intimidation, with the threat that any unauthorized CIA employee who leaks information could face the end of his or her career.
In exclusive communications obtained by CNN, one insider writes, "You don't jeopardize yourself, you jeopardize your family as well."
Another says, "You have no idea the amount of pressure being brought to bear on anyone with knowledge of this operation."
"Agency employees typically are polygraphed every three to four years. Never more than that," said former CIA operative and CNN analyst Robert Baer.
In other words, the rate of the kind of polygraphs alleged by sources is rare.
"If somebody is being polygraphed every month, or every two months it's called an issue polygraph, and that means that the polygraph division suspects something, or they're looking for something, or they're on a fishing expedition. But it's absolutely not routine at all to be polygraphed monthly, or bi-monthly," said Baer.
CIA spokesman Dean Boyd asserted in a statement that the agency has been open with Congress.
"The CIA has worked closely with its oversight committees to provide them with an extraordinary amount of information related to the attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi," the statement said.
"CIA employees are always free to speak to Congress if they want," the statement continued. "The CIA enabled all officers involved in Benghazi the opportunity to meet with Congress. We are not aware of any CIA employee who has experienced retaliation, including any non-routine security procedures, or who has been prevented from sharing a concern with Congress about the Benghazi incident."
Among the many secrets still yet to be told about the Benghazi mission, is just how many Americans were there the night of the attack.
A source now tells CNN that number was 35, with as many as seven wounded, some seriously.
While it is still not known how many of them were CIA, a source tells CNN that 21 Americans were working in the building known as the annex, believed to be run by the agency.
The lack of information and pressure to silence CIA operatives is disturbing to U.S. Rep. Frank Wolf, whose district includes CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
"I think it is a form of a cover-up, and I think it's an attempt to push it under the rug, and I think the American people are feeling the same way," said the Republican.
"We should have the people who were on the scene come in, testify under oath, do it publicly, and lay it out. And there really isn't any national security issue involved with regards to that," he said.
Wolf has repeatedly gone to the House floor, asking for a select committee to be set-up, a Watergate-style probe involving several intelligence committee investigators assigned to get to the bottom of the failures that took place in Benghazi, and find out just what the State Department and CIA were doing there.
More than 150 fellow Republican members of Congress have signed his request, and just this week eight Republicans sent a letter to the new head of the FBI, James Comey, asking that he brief Congress within 30 days.
Read: White House releases 100 pages of Benghazi e-mails
In the aftermath of the attack, Wolf said he was contacted by people closely tied with CIA operatives and contractors who wanted to talk.
Then suddenly, there was silence.
"Initially they were not afraid to come forward. They wanted the opportunity, and they wanted to be subpoenaed, because if you're subpoenaed, it sort of protects you, you're forced to come before Congress. Now that's all changed," said Wolf.
Lawmakers also want to know about the weapons in Libya, and what happened to them.
Speculation on Capitol Hill has included the possibility the U.S. agencies operating in Benghazi were secretly helping to move surface-to-air missiles out of Libya, through Turkey, and into the hands of Syrian rebels.
It is clear that two U.S. agencies were operating in Benghazi, one was the State Department, and the other was the CIA.
The State Department told CNN in an e-mail that it was only helping the new Libyan government destroy weapons deemed "damaged, aged or too unsafe retain," and that it was not involved in any transfer of weapons to other countries.
But the State Department also clearly told CNN, they "can't speak for any other agencies."
The CIA would not comment on whether it was involved in the transfer of any weapons.
04-08-2013, 10:53 AM
Yes. Adele has posted some things on it here too: https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...i-in-Libya
Any one who has been watching Syria knows that many of the 'Syrian rebels' and arms are coming from Libya now that they have accomplished their mission there. It is only just being acknowledged in the MSM though.
Any one who has been watching Syria knows that many of the 'Syrian rebels' and arms are coming from Libya now that they have accomplished their mission there. It is only just being acknowledged in the MSM though.
02-10-2013, 12:26 PM
Waiting for the western humanitarian intervention. Waiting....waiting....R2P? What was it all for otherwise? Don't tell me.
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Libyans are pictured in front of a mural painting depicting a torture scene outside Tripoli's Abu Slim jail, scene of a 1996 massacre of prisoners, during a three-day exhibition in the gutted grey complex
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Quote:Torture is commonplace in Libyan prisons UN report
Published time: October 01, 2013 22:58Get short URL
Inmates stand near the window of their cell inside the infamous Djeida prison in Tripoli (AFP Photo / Marco Longari)
Despite attempts by the provisional government to correct the ongoing dehumanization, approximately 8,000 detainees remain in custody without charges, held under suspicion of fighting alongside Gaddafi's troops. The UN report also mentioned that countless other suspected soldiers are held by freelance militias under conditions worse than those of the devastating prisons. Thousands of Libyans believed to have fought for ousted leader Muammar Gaddafi remain imprisoned where they are regularly tortured and brutalized two years after the revolution, according to a new report from the United Nations.
"Torture and ill-treatment in Libya is an ongoing and widespread concern in many detention centers," stated the report from the UN's High Commissioner for Human Rights (UNHCHR) and the United Nations Support Mission in Libya (UNSMIL).
While no comment was available from the current Libyan government, officials have said before that they are committed to ending torture and enforcing the criminal justice system.
The UNSMIL noted that 27 deaths have taken place inside detention facilities over the past two years and almost all of them can be blamed on torture, Reuters reported.
Torture was recently deemed a criminal offense in Libya, yet the UN warned "there is a danger that torture will become institutionalized within the new Libya." Many of the arrests were thought to be motivated by personal grudges or revenge.
Many of those currently incarcerated were dragged from their homes without explanation and beaten in the streets by furious militiamen. Some were raped with bottles before being locked into insanitary jail cells and still have yet to see the light of day.
If a detainee has been taken to a government-operated prison, they were likely tortured in the beginning of their stay, the UN report states. UN inspectors were not allowed in the facilities under militia control, and there is a strong possibility that brutalization is ongoing.
"The lack of oversight by the central authorities creates an environment conducive to torture and ill-treatment," Navi Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, told the UN Security Council in 2012. "My staff has received alarming reports that this is happening in places of detention that they have visited."
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Libyans are pictured in front of a mural painting depicting a torture scene outside Tripoli's Abu Slim jail, scene of a 1996 massacre of prisoners, during a three-day exhibition in the gutted grey complex