Ed Jewett Wrote:Jim DiEugenio Wrote:http://www.ctka.net/2011/Grand_Illusionpt1-a.html
One of the very best essays ever written on the RFK case.
Questions:
Where is Part II?
Where are the footnotes?
Why isn't Lisa herself a member here?
Ed: Lisa does not go on any forums, this has been her stance for years.
Dawn
Steve Franklin Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:Very good piece. Depressing that we have such proof of conspiracy and and honest autopsy, yet the lie continues. Sirhan's lawyers should have been disbarred.
Dawn
Keep in mind that his lawyers didn't have the autopsy until well into the trial. The problem was that the media was so quick to try the guy in the press that his lawyers plead guilty in hopes of getting a lesser sentence. The "trial" was just to determine this sentence.
What interests me about Sirhan is that he arguably marked the first appearance of the anti-Moslem meme that reached its final form with the events, or pseudo-events, of 9/11. In some sense it also marked the transition from the decapitation of the left in America to the demonization of the (oil producing) Moslem world. There is also a parallel here with the use of the "defector" Lee Oswald to demonize the Russians.
I do not care WHEN the defense got the autopsy.
Quoting from Dr. Philip Melanson's "The Robert F Kennedy Assassination"
When Noguchi "testified that RFK was shot behind the right ear with the weapon as close as one inch away, the discrepancy slid by unexplored. In fact it was the defense that cut Noguchi's testimony short, contending that the Cororner did not have to get into the 'gory details' about the precise location of wounds and the angle and distance of firing"
Disgraceful.
Dawn
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Steve Franklin Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:Very good piece. Depressing that we have such proof of conspiracy and and honest autopsy, yet the lie continues. Sirhan's lawyers should have been disbarred.
Dawn
Keep in mind that his lawyers didn't have the autopsy until well into the trial. The problem was that the media was so quick to try the guy in the press that his lawyers plead guilty in hopes of getting a lesser sentence. The "trial" was just to determine this sentence.
What interests me about Sirhan is that he arguably marked the first appearance of the anti-Moslem meme that reached its final form with the events, or pseudo-events, of 9/11. In some sense it also marked the transition from the decapitation of the left in America to the demonization of the (oil producing) Moslem world. There is also a parallel here with the use of the "defector" Lee Oswald to demonize the Russians.
I do not care WHEN the defense got the autopsy.
Quoting from Dr. Philip Melanson's "The Robert F Kennedy Assassination"
When Noguchi "testified that RFK was shot behind the right ear with the weapon as close as one inch away, the discrepancy slid by unexplored. In fact it was the defense that cut Noguchi's testimony short, contending that the Cororner did not have to get into the 'gory details' about the precise location of wounds and the angle and distance of firing"
Disgraceful.
Dawn
Truly shameful (sic) for a coroner to 'get into gory details....' F***, that is what they do all the time....every day, every case! It is their F***ing job to come up with the truthful, if gory, details!
So what are you guys saying, the defence was in on the coverup? Or they were just criminally incompetent?
Personally, I think this is just another case of everyone being so hypnotized by the media that they couldn't even imagine the possibility that anyone else was the murderer. Charles Fort spent 4 volumes describing how difficult it is to think outside of the collective paradigm. He pointed out that someone as talented as Lavoisier couldn't even imagine that rocks could actually fall from the sky.
Actually, Pease makes a case for both, as she sheds light on the connections that members of Sirhan's defense team, particularly Grant Cooper and Al Wirin, a notorious Warren Commission apologist, had with the U.S. government. She also raises serious questions about the defense team's investigators, particularly Michael McCowan, who had a shadowy past as an ex-LAPD officer and private investigator. Interesting reading, and the most complete argument yet for RFK's death being a conspiracy that involved the LAPD and elements of the government/CIA.
Steve Franklin Wrote:So what are you guys saying, the defence was in on the coverup? Or they were just criminally incompetent?
Personally, I think this is just another case of everyone being so hypnotized by the media that they couldn't even imagine the possibility that anyone else was the murderer. Charles Fort spent 4 volumes describing how difficult it is to think outside of the collective paradigm. He pointed out that someone as talented as Lavoisier couldn't even imagine that rocks could actually fall from the sky.
James Lewis Wrote:Actually, Pease makes a case for both, as she sheds light on the connections that members of Sirhan's defense team, particularly Grant Cooper and Al Wirin, a notorious Warren Commission apologist, had with the U.S. government. She also raises serious questions about the defense team's investigators, particularly Michael McCowan, who had a shadowy past as an ex-LAPD officer and private investigator. Interesting reading, and the most complete argument yet for RFK's death being a conspiracy that involved the LAPD and elements of the government/CIA.
Steve Franklin Wrote:So what are you guys saying, the defence was in on the coverup? Or they were just criminally incompetent?
Personally, I think this is just another case of everyone being so hypnotized by the media that they couldn't even imagine the possibility that anyone else was the murderer. Charles Fort spent 4 volumes describing how difficult it is to think outside of the collective paradigm. He pointed out that someone as talented as Lavoisier couldn't even imagine that rocks could actually fall from the sky.
Well I read the articles, so I know what Lisa Pease thinks. I was hoping for some third party opinions here. The fact that everybody in the legal business knows each other is a given. This would certainly allow for conspiracy, but it doesn't demonstrate it. I still think there's confusion here between orchestrated misdeeds and our simian ancestral tendency to follow the leader. Now I'm not saying the murder itself was not a conspiracy. I'm saying the purported coverup wasn't necessarily orchestrated. It may have simply flowed from the inability of the average human to see through the pronouncements of a small group of authority figures, an inability that would have been assumed by the perpetrators of the crime. I think they learned from the JFK assassination that the general public is infinitely gullible and that they really don't have to construct a hermetically sealed storyline. They just have to seize the most important evidence and issue a press release about what is supposed to have happened--and let the press fill in the blanks.
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Ed Jewett Wrote:Jim DiEugenio Wrote:http://www.ctka.net/2011/Grand_Illusionpt1-a.html
One of the very best essays ever written on the RFK case.
Questions:
Where is Part II?
Where are the footnotes?
Why isn't Lisa herself a member here?
Ed: Lisa does not go on any forums, this has been her stance for years.
Dawn
Well, I can appreciate the decision but it is our loss.