13-08-2011, 08:22 PM
Gary Severson Wrote:Ed, I'm not critical of your work as you seem to think. In fact I agree with the philosophies in most of your biblio. It seems though, your attitude toward Marxism is very negative and doesn't allow the possibility there could be other ways of interpreting the books in your list.
It seems to me Einstein the socialist has everythng to do with Spinoza and Dimassio. Dimassio has another book "Looking for Spinoza" which is an indication Spinoza is a very big part of Dimassio's attempt to deal with the mind/body problem. There doesn't have to be an obvious mention of socialism in any of these books for them to be related to the creation of socialist man. The attributes of a socialist man would be basically one who puts the welfare of others first. I don't know why you have such a negative view of that kind of person. Your emphasis on the individual as the locus of development suggests a connection to Objectivism as in Ayn Rand. That's just a thought but you seem to liberal to embrace her views.
Let's leave it with this, Gary; I don't think Einstein, Spinoza and Marx have anything to do with me or what I sensed, found or tried to do with this material. I've never read Ayn Rand (but there is an excerpt in STM about Frank Lloyd Wright about the creative process he used for Fallingwater which I recall came from a book she'd written about him). Do all Libertarians pray to Ayn Rand? Do all socialists celebrate Marx' birthday? I don't know (or care).
At my age, given what I've been through and what I am going through, given what is going on in this country and this world, given experiences in other online encounters, I am adverse to being labeled by anyone who doesn't know me or my experience when I have had a lifelong difficulty in labeling myself or in understanding labels and why people use them. The quote that stuck with me in 9th grade from a book of poetry I'd been given as a prize in a reading contest was this one:
"To be nobody-but-yourself -- in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else -- means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting."
If you define "socialist man" as someone who puts others welfare before their own, then I am a socialist man (or at least try to be, with the exceptional aside that one cannot be of benefit to others until and unless they take care of themselves).
I would call someone who puts others welfare first --- boy, do I hate labels -- (action counts more than words and labels) -- a Christian. Some of the books I have read in and around the survey of secret societies use the term "Christine" or -- capitalized or not -- a disciple of Christ.
I left organized Christianity at about age 16 -- gee, almost at the same time Kennedy was killed -- because the organized Christians seem to be busy doing other things, most of them deadly and injurious.
The last socialist Christian I met in person was when I got my copy of JFKU autographed by a simple but learned man who came in on crutches to deliver a talk on his book before returning to his Catholic Workers' service in Birmingham.
The Christ I think I understand is the one who taught something remarkably similar to the summoning of magic from within -- I refer you to Gaffney's "Gnostic Secrets" -- a something or other which enables seeing others immanently and which asks to be shared openly but which was forced into the closet by the political harnessing of religion by an empire (perhaps foreshadowing Evica's fifth essay, among other things).
If helping others capture and harness their personal power (leaving to them the decision about where and how to invest that personal power) makes me a socialist, then you can call me a socialist. But there's nothing in STM that suggests that true personal internal empowerment is to be harnessed in favor of the collective or the state.
I don't see that the collectivism or the state are busy helping accomplish the welfare of others other than a few oligarchs who have captured control of it. And I can't conceive why I or anyone else would want to assist in that enterprise when it is so destructive, immoral and evil.