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Quote:"My name Anders Behring Breivik. I am a commander of the Norweigain resistance movement. Please could you give me the head of Delta? … Yes, I am at Utoya, I am a person who wishes to surrender. Knights Templar is the name of the organisation but we are part of the anti-communist movement. I have just carried out an operation on behalf of Knights Templar Europe and Norway."

Little-known-about phone call between Breivik and Police Delta Squad DURING a slight pause in the murders.

Magda Hassan Wrote:

Peter Lemkin Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:That will win him friends in the jury :thumbsdown:

There is not a prayer that anyone in the Court will feel 'warm and fuzzy' toward him, sadly, Norway's laws do not include life imprisonment even for the most heinous crimes....many there are scrambling to SOMEHOW find a way to keep him behind bars or walls for the rest of his life. The entire trial is being broadcast with the EXCEPTION of his next 5-7 days of propaganda rant. I agree with this decision. There are going to be written transcriptions of what he said available at the end of every day, but they didn't want to give him a platform for his hate and twisted philosophy. There are four psychiatrists in the Court evaluating his every glance, action, word.

I expect there will be ongoing events in prison which will extend his stay.

While Norwegians are very non-violent people, he would have to be protected in prison or in a mental hospital to NOT be murdered for what he did!!!!!

Quote: Knights Templar is the name of the organisation but we are part of the anti-communist movement.

WTF!

I thought this was all about anti-Islamist beliefs?

This throws it back into the Gladio arena.

Keith Millea Wrote:

Quote: Knights Templar is the name of the organisation but we are part of the anti-communist movement.

WTF!

I thought this was all about anti-Islamist beliefs?

This throws it back into the Gladio arena.

It was my gut feeling and informed speculation that it always was a Gladio-type, if not exactly 'Gladio' action. The most interesting thing that could come out of the trial would be his 'friends', 'backers' and 'trainers'...but I think he'll not 'go there'. I also wonder if he's been hypno-programmed and if any of the psychiatrists even have that kind of 'thing' in their mental landscape - I'd doubt it strongly.

NB - his only regret it that he didn't kill more persons.

Peter Lemkin Wrote:

Keith Millea Wrote:

Quote: Knights Templar is the name of the organisation but we are part of the anti-communist movement.

WTF!

I thought this was all about anti-Islamist beliefs?

This throws it back into the Gladio arena.

It was my gut feeling and informed speculation that it always was a Gladio-type, if not exactly 'Gladio' action. The most interesting thing that could come out of the trial would be his 'friends', 'backers' and 'trainers'...but I think he'll not 'go there'. I also wonder if he's been hypno-programmed and if any of the psychiatrists even have that kind of 'thing' in their mental landscape - I'd doubt it strongly.

NB - his only regret it that he didn't kill more persons.

See my posts #320-323 of a few days ago in this thread.

We recently learnt a lot more about the alleged Knights Templar that Breivik met in London and elsewhere, and of the smoke screens that MSM blew across the landscape.

This continues to have the appearance of a classic Gladio cut out, with strictly controlled cells running individual assets who can be "triggered" into violent action.

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Peter Lemkin Wrote:

Keith Millea Wrote:

Quote: Knights Templar is the name of the organisation but we are part of the anti-communist movement.

WTF!

I thought this was all about anti-Islamist beliefs?

This throws it back into the Gladio arena.

It was my gut feeling and informed speculation that it always was a Gladio-type, if not exactly 'Gladio' action. The most interesting thing that could come out of the trial would be his 'friends', 'backers' and 'trainers'...but I think he'll not 'go there'. I also wonder if he's been hypno-programmed and if any of the psychiatrists even have that kind of 'thing' in their mental landscape - I'd doubt it strongly.

NB - his only regret it that he didn't kill more persons.

See my posts #320-323 of a few days ago in this thread.

We recently learnt a lot more about the alleged Knights Templar that Breivik met in London and elsewhere, and of the smoke screens that MSM blew across the landscape.

This continues to have the appearance of a classic Gladio cut out, with strictly controlled cells running individual assets who can be "triggered" into violent action.

I agree Jan. Just went back and read those posts....suggest others do to. Breivik is only the tip of an iceberg......the 'cutting edge' of neo-fascist group that has grown and long been spread far and wide. They think their time has come again.

Oh, I forgot to add he did cry during the first day - when he watched the video he had [supposedly] constructed showing knights in armor....and blah, blah, blah. I think maybe having gone through some mind-control programs.....for Gladio. And Keith, the term Gladio 'arena' - how apt, and quite some imagery it invokes.....

Anders Breivik: I would have done it again

Published: 17 April, 2012, 16:14
Edited: 17 April, 2012, 22:34




Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik attends the second day of his terrorism and murder trial in Oslo April 17, 2012. (Reuters / Hakon Mosvold Larsen / Pool)

TAGS: Crime, Politics, Europe, Terrorism, Law, Immigration

Norway killer has defended his massacre of 77 people, insisting he would do it again. He called his bomb-and-shooting rampage the most "spectacular" attack by a nationalist militant since World War II and demanded to be freed.
In a prepared statement Breivik lashed out at Norwegian and European governments for embracing immigration and multiculturalism.
"Is it democratic that the people of Norway have never been consulted by referendum on whether or not more foreigners should be accepted?" he asked the court.
Maintaining he acted out of "goodness not evil" to prevent a wider civil war, Breivik vowed that he "would have done it again."
Breivik insisted that the youngsters that he killed on the Utoya Island were no innocent children. He compared them to Hitler Youth and said they were brainwashed to promote multicultural values, a very unlikely thing for the Hitler Youth to do.
He stressed he acted in self-defense to protect Norway from Muslims. He also forecast a "war between internationalists and nationalists in Europe" within a decade.
"We do not accept that we are made to be a minority in our own country," he says. "The attacks on July 22 were preventative attacks, and I can therefore not acknowledge criminal guilt."
"I demand that I be freed," Breivik concluded after speaking for more than an hour.
He said the knowledge that he will be imprisoned does not scare him. "I was born into a prison, forced to watch my own people be degraded. In this prison you are not allowed to protest. This prison is called Norway," he said.
Another reason not to fear imprisonment is the lavish Halden prison that may house Breivik, should he be sentenced. Halden embodies the guiding principles of the Norwegian penal system, that repressive prisons do not work and that treating prisoners humanely boosts their chances of reintegrating into society.
If Breivik gets the maximum penalty of 21 years (three months for every person he killed), he will "reintegrate into society" at the age of 54.
While the case has put the spotlight on Norway's liberal criminal justice system, Former Belgian MP Lode Vanoost told RT "it is especially in cases like this that you have to stick to your principles."
Vanoost argues that by treating Breivik "with the same rights as any Norwegian citizen…you are precisely telling him you will not win.'"
While he admits "it is very difficult to accept from an emotional point of view," Vanoost maintains "even Breivik only has one life," and "he most likely will never be free again."
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Cell doors are seen inside Halden prison in the far southeast of Norway. Halden jail could house Norwegian gunman Anders Behring Breivik. (Reuters / Trond A. Isaksen)
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The inside of a cell is seen at the Halden prison in the far southeast of Norway. (Reuters / Trond A. Isaksen)
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Reuters / Trond A. Isaksen
Courthouse becomes propaganda stage

Breivik promised he has "toned down his rhetoric" for the sake of survivors and victims' families, but a lawyer for survivors and family members was compelled to interrupt his speech nonetheless. She said she has received numerous messages from her clients outraged that Breivik is being allowed to continue his ideological rant.
Judge Arntzen repeatedly interrupted Breivik, asking him to keep his statement short, but he said that "it is critically important" for him to explain "the reason and the motive". The prosecution has also repeatedly agreed that he should be allowed to finish reading his statement.
Five-and-a-half days have been allotted to Breivik's testimony, and many feared he will try to promote his Islamophobic ideology. As Tuesday's statement shows, this might just be the case.
Prior to allowing Breivik to testify, Lead Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen warned media that all cameras should be turned off during Breivik's 30 minute statement.
This did not stop his "ideology" from getting out into the world. Moreover, attention was actually drawn to it, with international media tweeting away from the courtroom.
Breivik's testimony was delayed on Tuesday after a citizen judge, Thomas Indreboe, was deemed unfit by the court and dismissed for his online comments. The day following the July 22 attack he has posted on his Facebook that Breivik "deserves the death penalty."
The trial opened on Monday in Norway's capital Oslo. The prosecution read out the indictment on terror and premeditated murder charges. Breivik remained stony-faced throughout the reading; however, when his manifesto video was shown in court he broke down crying.
Breivik killed eight people in a bombing in Oslo's government district, and later 69 in a shooting massacre at Norway's left-leaning Labor Party's youth camp on Utoya Island outside the capital on July 22, 2011.
The key issue to be resolved during the 10-week trial is the state of Breivik's mental health, which will determine whether he is sent to prison or to psychiatric care. If deemed mentally competent, he would face a maximum prison sentence of 21 years.

Prosecutors probe Breivik's network

April 18, 2012

Norway's home-grown right-wing terrorist Anders Behring Breivik was back on the witness stand in Oslo on Wednesday, with prosecutors continuing to question his background and alleged network of supporters and mentors.


Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden will be questioning terror defendant Anders Behring Breivik for the rest of the week. PHOTO: NRK pool

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden were concentrating Wednesday on his encounters with right-wing extremist circles both in and out of Norway, raising questions about his activities in the years from when he dropped out of high school until he bombed Norwegian government headquarters and massacred scores of young Labour Party members last summer.

Engh picked up where she left off on Wednesday, when she repeatedly tried to get Breivik to say who gave him the right he claimed he had to "defend the Norwegian people" and "preserve Norwegian culture" by attacking those who he claims have allowed immigration. Their exchange in court was not allowed to be recorded, but transcripts were released by, among others, Norwegian news bureau NTB.

Breivik referred to "universal human rights" that he claimed "allow defense of your (people) and your culture." Asked whether he gave himself that right, or whether someone else did, he eventually said that "I came in contact with militant nationalists in 2001. That contributed to why I made the choice that I did."


Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) was only allowed to film Wednesday's proceedings for a few minutes before Breivik's questioning got underway. Here he sits between his defense attorneys Geir Lippestad (left) and Vibeke Hein Bæra. Debate continues over court restrictions on coverage of the trial. PHOTO: NRK screen grab/Views and News

He said, however, that it was his own choice (to defend the Norwegian people by carrying out his attacks) and that he gave himself his "mandate." He later added that "people who choose to be militant nationalists support armed battle. And as long as weapons are involved in a battle, people will always die."

Breivik then started referring to "the mandate that we have given ourselves," and Engh asked "who are we'?" He responded "me and other militant nationalists in Europe." He claimed they support "politically motivated violence to attract attention to an important issue."

He went on to say that he was influenced and inspired by militant nationalists that he refused to name but claims to have met in Liberia and London in 2001. "They were militant nationalists before I was, so you can say that they have been part of my radicalization process," Breivik testified.

He also refused to give names when questioning continued Wednesday morning, saying he was afraid they'd be arrested. He did refer earlier to "Norwegian nationalists" who have "fought" earlier, "from (exiled neo-Nazi) Erik Blücher to Johnny Olsen and Arne Myrdal," but they were not among those he claims to have met in person. Myrdal, a controversial opponent to immigration, died in 2007 and other right-wing extremists have been trying to distance themselves from Breivik, claiming they've never had contact with him.

Breivik said his contact with his alleged supporters and like-minded mentors has often been "coincidental" and occurring over the Internet. He feared right-wing groups in Norway, though, were under surveillance. Under questioning from the lead judge in the case, Breivik testified that one key person he says he met in Liberia was a foreign contact. Breivik has earlier told police that the Knights Templar organization he claimed to be part of was established after former Norwegian Foreign Minister Knut Vollebæk and former Prime Minister Kjell Magne Bondevik had "authorized attacks on our Serbian brothers." Breivik has expressed admiration for Serbian war criminals who attacked Muslims in Serbia.

The court action this week and for the next nine weeks that his trial is due to run is mostly aimed at establishing facts in the case and evaluating Breivik's mental state. After making yet another clenched-fist extremist greeting after having his handcuffs removed, Breivik has remained mostly calm and controlled under questioning, wearing a dark suit and tie to Wednesday's court session. He wants to be declared sane, and it's thus important for him to appear as rational as possible.

Questioning on Thursday was expected to concentrate mostly on Breivik's bombing of government headquarters, while Friday's questioning would be devoted to the massacre on the island of Utøya. Breivik will also be on the witness stand on Monday, before examination of the bombing itself takes center stage the rest of next week.

Breivik challenged after days in court

April 18, 2012

Reaction has been swift and strong to remarks terror defendant Anders Behring Breivik has been making in court this week, when he bragged about his deadly attacks on July 22 and ended Wednesday's session by saying Norway's maximum prison term of 21 years is "pathetic." He thinks he should either be released or be sentenced to death.


Anders Behring Breivik was challenged in court this week, by prosecutors and public disgust. PHOTO: NRK pool

Norway has no death penalty but Breivik seems to think Norway's legal punishments are lenient compared to those of other countries. Breivik, grilled by prosecutors in court again on Wednesday, had said earlier he didn't fear prison. Suddenly he said he "wouldn't respect" just a 21-year term.

"Do you think it would be correct of Norway to introduce a death penalty in connection with this case?" asked prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh.

"It would be correct in many ways," Breivik answered. "If you evaluate this case, there should only be two logical outcomes. I view 21 years in prison as a pathetic punishment."

Asked whether he'd like to be sentenced to death, he said: "I don't want to be sentenced to death, but I would have respected that verdict. I won't accept 21 years, that's ridiculous."

He went on to say that "it's sad (Thomas) Indrebø was fired," referring to the lay judge who was disqualified on Tuesday because he had commented in social media right after Breivik's attacks on July 22 last year that a death penalty would have been "the only fair" sentence for Breivik. "He seemed like a person with a sensible attitude," Breivik said.

His remarks seem to illustrate his utter disdain for the Norwegian legal system, or the society and culture he also has claimed he tried to protect through his attacks. He also has offended many by making a right-wing extremist salute with clenched fist every morning. His defense attorney Geir Lippestad said he has asked his client to cut that out.

Other reactions: Outrage, resignation, roses
Meanwhile, much of his prepared address to the court on Tuesday was full of factual errors, argued several lawyers and professors in Norway, while others were alternatively outraged, resigned or simply keen on decorating Oslo with roses once again.


Fresh roses keep popping up around Oslo, like here in a security fence around the city courthouse where the terror trial is going on. PHOTO: Views and News

Among those reacting were professors at the University of Oslo and the University of Bergen, senior researchers at state statistics bureau SSB and political scientists, who claimed Breivik's erred on several occasions. His inaccurate statements included everything from immigration statistics, which he had exaggerated, to prospects for conflicts between nationalists and internationalists.

Jan Oskar Engene of the University of Bergen, told newspaper Aftenposten that Breivik "has a conspiratorial picture of the world, where Islam is sneaking in everywhere and Muslims can't manage to live in peace with others. It's just part of his rhetoric that he uses to justify his attacks."

Biased and incorrect'
Kari Vogt, a historian and expert on Islam at the University of Oslo, said Breivik's claim that most Muslims are not peaceful is "highly biased and incorrect." Muslims, she said, are a widely diverse group with many different interpretations of Islam, just like Christians have widely different interpretations and practices of Christianity.

Many right-wing extremists are now trying to distance themselves from Breivik and his actions, much like many Muslims constantly feel a need to distance themselves from Islamic terrorists. If anything, some note, the extremists may now have had a taste of their own medicine. Those who long have stereotyped Muslims may worry Breivik's deeds will hurt their cause. They don't want to be associated with the type of violence Breivik unleashed or viewed as terrorists any more than immigrants and Muslims do.

Breivik's statements that other European leaders are recognizing the challenges of immigration while Norway "is going the opposite way" was deemed inaccurate as well. The government, for example, refuses to stop the deportation of hundreds of asylbarna (children of rejected refugees in Norway) and many view Norway's immigration policies as restrictive, not permissive as Breivik claims.

Samis offended along with the rest
There have also been angry reactions to Breivik's description of the Labour Party's youth organization AUF as one that "indoctrinates" its members. Breivik also compared it to Hitler's youth group, prompting some survivors of his attacks and parents of his victims to leave the courtroom.

Also objecting to Breivik's testimony were some leaders of Norway's indigenous Sami people in the far north. Breivik said he considers white "ethnic Norwegians" as the country's native population, much to the offense of the Sami.

Others are simply ignoring Breivik and his trial. While many of Breivik's survivors and victims' families feel a need to follow it every step of the way over the next nine weeks, one survivor of his massacre on the island of Utøya told Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) she's pointedly ignoring the trial. Hildegunn Fallang from Gran in Hadeland was among those who fled the massacre by swimming in the chilly waters of the Tyrifjord from the island to the mainland.

"I think he has already taken up too much of my time," Fallang, age 21, told Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK). "I don't feel a need to be in the courtroom or see him or hear his testimony. I've moved so far beyond this now that I don't think it would do me any good."

Others are showing up in court every day, while still others are leaving roses and small memorials to Breivik's victims around Oslo. Helle Gannestad, who formulated last July's poignant appeal for love instead evil, has now embarked on a campaign of glede (joy).

"It's important to find some joy every day," Gannestad, a member of AUF that was targeted last summer, told newspaper Dagsavisen. "We can't go around for 10 weeks (while the trial runs) and feel depressed. And it shouldn't be wrong to feel happy when something as difficult as this is going on. We are in many ways lucky, and should think about that, too."

Norwegian Police Confirm Drill Identical to Breivik's Attack

Kurt Nimmo
August 26, 2011

The Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten reports today police sources have confirmed that hours before Anders Behring Breivik launched his deadly attack at a political summer camp on Utøya island on July 22, police had conducted a drill for a "practically identical scenario."

"Sources within the top level management of the police in Oslo have confirmed to Aftenposten that the drill finished at 15:00 that same Friday," the newspaper reports. "All of the officers from the anti-terror unit that later took part at the bombsite at the government buildings and went out to Utøya to apprehend Anders Behring Breivik had been training on the exact same scenario earlier the same day and in the days preceding," writes Andreas Bakke Foss.

The bomb attributed to Breivik went off only 26 minutes after the anti-terror drill finished, according to officials.

Norwegian police characterize the "very similar" drill and its chronological proximity to the "practically identical scenario" as a coincidence.

Such "coincidences" are now routine during terror events. On September 11, 2001, the Air Force conducted the Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Guardian, Northern Vigilance exercises.