Deep Politics Forum

...then we are in for worse than most can imagine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvTwyODXStY [Part I - never mind the Czech subtitles]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfvekdE2prw [Part two - no subtitles]

Peter Lemkin Wrote:...then we are in for worse than most can imagine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvTwyODXStY [Part I - never mind the Czech subtitles]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfvekdE2prw [Part two - no subtitles]

Tarpley has an excellent handle on US elite intentions - and was, as far as I can see, the first to recognise and publicize the shift in power within the US from neo-cons to Trilats - but a very unsatisfactory one on effects. One example.

Zbigniew doubtless intended the shattering of the Russian empire via his intervention in Afghanistan. Yet all he succeeded in doing was facilitating the triumph of the Chekist heirs of Beria, who used Afghanistan to embroil the Red Army and discredit it. With the Red Army otherwise engaged, and progressively discredited, the Chekists could move against the Party relatively unimpeded.

The scale of the Cheka's triumph was considerable: Russia divested itself of its hugely uneconomic Eastern European satraps; got its energy and minerals to market in a way unthinkable under the constraints of the Cold War; and was at last able to move on creating a professional standing army.

The US elite, meanwhile, drunk on its hubristic incomprehension, deindustrialised, engaged in an orgy of unsustainable self-enrichment, and bankrupted the nation, not least through military expenditures. Can't imagine these were quite the effects Zbig sought.

Paul

Thanks for this Pete. A very salutary and insightful analysis imo.

And on Pakistan bang on target I suspect. I now wonder if the Mumbai affair was part of this strategy? But what he says about Obama ordering unilateral attacks on North Western Pakistan as part of Brzezinski strategy of breaking that nation into four or five separate regions in conflict seems right:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7889950.stm

'US strike' kills 27 in Pakistan
At least 27 militants have been killed in a suspected US missile attack in north-west Pakistan, officials say.



The missile strike hit a house in the South Waziristan area, near the Afghan border, which officials said was used as a hide-out for Taleban militants.

The US has carried out more than 20 air strikes from drones in north-western Pakistan in recent months.

President Asif Zardari has told US TV that the Taleban are now established across much of Pakistan.

"We're fighting for the survival of Pakistan. We're not fighting for the survival of anyone else," CBS says he told them in an interview to be screened on Sunday.

Islamabad has long argued that US air strikes complicate its own fight against insurgents, and violate its sovereignty.

Pakistani leaders had expressed hope that the new US administration of Barack Obama would halt the controversial manoeuvres.

But earlier this week Mr Obama said there was no doubt militants were operating in safe havens in Pakistan's tribal belt and that the US would make sure Pakistan was a strong ally in fighting that threat.

Wanted militant

The latest suspected drone attack took place on Saturday morning in a village near the town of Ladha.

A house owned by a local clan member was struck by two missiles. Most of the dead were Uzbeks, officials say. Several people were wounded.

Witnesses in the area say the rockets were fired from a drone and say the house was frequented by militants from Pakistani Taleban leader Baitullah Mehsud's organisation.

The BBC's Shoaib Hasan, in Islamabad, says Mehsud is one of the most wanted men in the region.

Our correspondent says Mehsud is believed to be responsible for a number of atrocities, including the assassination of former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto - President Zardari's wife.

Kabul meeting

The attack took place during a visit to the region by US special envoy for Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke to assess strategic options for the future.

Later on Saturday he met Afghan president Hamid Karzai in Kabul.

No details were released, but ahead of the meeting President Karzai told al-Jazeera television that there was "crisis" between Washington and Kabul with tension over civilian casualties, arrests and raids.

Washington has complained of corruption, poor governance and opium-poppy growing.

Mr Karzai says he has not spoken to President Obama almost a month after his inauguration - a sign, correspondents say, that he does not enjoy the favoured status which former President George W Bush accorded him.

I would also add that Tarpley's insights about Brzezinski are truly frightening. If true, this guy is worse than the Doctor Strangelove...

This map from 2006, prepared by retired US Col. Ralph Peters, was presented at the NATO’s Defense College in Rome. It shows Iran reduced in size, by having a Free Kurdistan and a Free Balochistan. It shows Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey and other countries losing territory.

Sistan o Baluchestan is a province in the southeast of Iran, bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Another US drone attack on Pakistan, this time with a death toll of 30. Obama does seem to be following the scenario Tarpley outlined.

It can only be madness to try to surround two nuclear powers - China and Russia in order to extend Anglo-American dominance for another hundred years. This is a huge gamble akin to the banking collapse - except that if the chips go down in this Casino there will be nuclear conflagration.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090216/twl-...d0ae9.html

Pakistan: Suspected US Drone Attack Kills 30
Monday, February 16 09:11 am
Sky News
At least 30 people have bee killed in Pakistan's Kurram tribal region on the Afghan border after a suspected US drone fired missiles at a building used by militants, witnesses and officials said. Skip related content

"Afghan Taliban were holding an important meeting there when the missiles were fired," an intelligence official in the area said.

The attack in a mountainous region called Sarpul, on the outskirts of Baggan village, is the first in the Kurram tribal region.

It comes two days after a missile strike in the South Waziristan tribal region killed at least 25 mostly Central Asian fighters believed to have al Qaeda links.

Abdul Rahim, a cleric in Sarpul, said he saw bodies pulled out from the rubble and at least 20 wounded.

He also said he saw two missiles fired.

Kurram's top administrator, Arshad Majeed Mohmand, confirmed the strike and said according to his information three missiles were fired but he had no details about casualties.

It is not known if there are any senior Taliban or al Qaeda figures among the dead.

The building hit was formerly used by Afghan refugees' children, but militants moved in around two years ago, according to villagers.

"A drone is still flying in the area and smoke can be seen over the area where the missiles struck," said a paramilitary official.

This is the fourth attack since President Barack Obama took office, showing no change in policy since the last year of the Bush administration, when attacks by pilotless aircraft against militant targets on Pakistani territory were ramped up.

The new civilian government, elected a year ago, and the army has complained the US missile strikes are counterproductive and have fanned an Islamist insurgency across northwest Pakistan.

Is it just me, or do others sense with a dull ache in the bottom of the stomach that things are really going down and down and further down all the wrong paths toward economic, political, peaceful, sustainable and sane oblivion. As a student of history, I can see other dangerous moments in the past, but at least most saw the danger. Now, they have somehow make the masses chloroformed into seeing only football, burgers, Paris Hiton, et al. while the planet is at the brink with these guys all pulling on their end of the fulcrum to send it over the edge?:hmmmm2:

One of the truly salutary (to its planners) and intended impacts of the Iraq crime is the manner in which its diversionary aspects have permitted the Taliban to grow into a more formidable threat -- one that can more easily be held up as warranting grand, long-term expenditures of American treasure.

Mission accomplished.

Charles Drago Wrote:One of the truly salutary (to its planners) and intended impacts of the Iraq crime is the manner in which its diversionary aspects have permitted the Taliban to grow into a more formidable threat -- one that can more easily be held up as warranting grand, long-term expenditures of American treasure.

Mission accomplished.

Impeccable logic, but no, not quite - the bogus Islamist international has yet to be provided with Pakistani nukes. Then mission accomplished...

Paul

Paul Rigby Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:One of the truly salutary (to its planners) and intended impacts of the Iraq crime is the manner in which its diversionary aspects have permitted the Taliban to grow into a more formidable threat -- one that can more easily be held up as warranting grand, long-term expenditures of American treasure.

Mission accomplished.

Impeccable logic, but no, not quite - the bogus Islamist international has yet to be provided with Pakistani nukes. Then mission accomplished...

Paul

A (slight) aside...chilling one. I was able recently to download from a hidden, but known-to-me part of the internet a technical document on Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapons. These 'things' can be amazingly small - small daypack could take a few!, amazingly powerful, and 'versitile' in their deployment. Further, not so hard to build anymore. I don't know what size/generation Pakistan has, but the idea that a nuke is a large warhead on a large missile is an outdated concept - yes, they exist, but would not be the weapon of choice except in a strategic war. Sadly, soon enough we will long for the 'good-old-days' of car/truck bombs.....