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Why?

I am trying to get a feel for how large others think the conspiracy was. To get a rough idea of how many are read into the program. I understand compartmentalization. I am referrring to only those who knew what the plot was.

Jeffrey Orling Wrote:Why?

I am trying to get a feel for how large others think the conspiracy was. To get a rough idea of how many are read into the program. I understand compartmentalization. I am referrring to only those who knew what the plot was.

Depending on the answer to that question, is your assertion going to be something like: "Surely, someone would have talked?" -- because that is a non-sequitor.

I think you are confounding compartmentalization with compartmentation.

Compartmentation is:

"division into separate sections or units"

Compartmentalization is:

"an unconscious psychological defense mechanism used to avoid cognitive dissonance, or the mental discomfort and anxiety caused by a person having conflicting values, cognitions, emotions, beliefs, etc within themselves. Compartmentalization allows these conflicting ideas to co-exist by inhibiting direct and/or explicit acknowledgement and interaction between separate compartmentalized self states."

The distinction is significant and important--

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Jeffrey Orling Wrote:Why?

I am trying to get a feel for how large others think the conspiracy was. To get a rough idea of how many are read into the program. I understand compartmentalization. I am referrring to only those who knew what the plot was.

Depending on the answer to that question, is your assertion going to be something like: "Surely, someone would have talked?" -- because that is a non-sequitor.

I think you are confounding compartmentalization with compartmentation.

Compartmentation is:

"division into separate sections or units"

Compartmentalization is:

"an unconscious psychological defense mechanism used to avoid cognitive dissonance, or the mental discomfort and anxiety caused by a person having conflicting values, cognitions, emotions, beliefs, etc within themselves. Compartmentalization allows these conflicting ideas to co-exist by inhibiting direct and/or explicit acknowledgement and interaction between separate compartmentalized self states."

The distinction is significant and important--

'The distinction is significant and important'

I agree GB and they are both bloody lethal.

I am not going to make the claim someone would talk... I am curious as to how many people do you think were read into the 911 conspiracy. Simple as that.

Thanks for the correction about compartmentation vs compartmentalisation.

Jeffrey Orling Wrote:I am not going to make the claim someone would talk... I am curious as to how many people do you think were read into the 911 conspiracy. Simple as that.

Thanks for the correction about compartmentation vs compartmentalisation.

Your welcome regarding the compartmentation distinction. No offense, but as far as estimating "how many people" is concerned, I think that is not only unknowable, but also irrelevant. It is similar to asking "How many shots do you think were fired in Dealey Plaza?" The answer is: (wait for it) -- "As many as it took."

Here's the deal... I don't trust the gov or the media for conveying the truth or the facts. Much of what we are told is a Truman show reality. Having said this, there is reality about the events in the world and I am curious to understand them. And... if the people ever want to live if a just world that would have to be based on truth and facts. So we need to fugure out what the truth is or we will be stuck inside the truman show... even knowing that we are.

When you are talking criminal conspiracies... there will be an effort to paper over facts and the truth with a cover story. But we need to consider WHY people do what they do.... what motivates them... and in this case the *conspirators*. There could be many reasons/motivations. People do things for a reason (usually). So what were on the list of reasons that motivated the conspirators on all levels... from the top cheese to the worker bees?'

ideology
money
power
ego
danger/risk
fear

Once 9/11 took place money, power and ideology motivated most who participated... maybe some fear. Many saw 9/11 as an opportunity to cash out and the conventional BS was fine with them. I wouldn't consider these creeps as conspirators.

Just sayin'

Jeffrey Orling Wrote:Here's the deal... I don't trust the gov or the media for conveying the truth or the facts. Much of what we are told is a Truman show reality. Having said this, there is reality about the events in the world and I am curious to understand them. And... if the people ever want to live if a just world that would have to be based on truth and facts. So we need to fugure out what the truth is or we will be stuck inside the truman show... even knowing that we are.

When you are talking criminal conspiracies... there will be an effort to paper over facts and the truth with a cover story. But we need to consider WHY people do what they do.... what motivates them... and in this case the *conspirators*. There could be many reasons/motivations. People do things for a reason (usually). So what were on the list of reasons that motivated the conspirators on all levels... from the top cheese to the worker bees?'

ideology
money
power
ego
danger/risk
fear

Once 9/11 took place money, power and ideology motivated most who participated... maybe some fear. Many saw 9/11 as an opportunity to cash out and the conventional BS was fine with them. I wouldn't consider these creeps as conspirators.

Just sayin'

Well, now you've shifted your focus of inquiry from: "How many people were read into the 9/11 conspiracy?" -- into a focus on "speculation about their motivations"...

So, which is it?


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Jeffrey Orling Wrote:OK... How many participants in the 911 conspiracy were required who understood that they were pulling off a false flag.

10
50
100
200
500
1000
2000
5000

Just guess at one of those numbers.

Start at the beginning. A definition of a conspiracy requires at least two. It wouldn't be hard to construct a flow-chart, although it would take a long time and be contentious supposition and definitely go against the tenor of the Salandrian overview; how many people needed to be involved for any one tiny segment of the string of events?

So a branching multi-page flow-chart (easily constructed with standardly available and free tools and software) would begin to provide some sense of something for those who desire to count.

At each step, be sure to stop and ask the questions "Is it necessary that this new co-conspirator or tiny lynchpin in the plan know the purpose of what he is doing?, who else is involved in the doing?, or the full details of all the tools, weaponry, systems or gadgets in black ops development?"

At each step, as the mythical or simulated stand-in planner of the false flag event, ask yourself how much of the task can be simplified through software, telecommunications techniques or technology, voice morphing, video morphing or other unspecified tomfoolery in control of one of the already-noted players.

I just ran across a quote I'd kept within the "Summon The Magic" files that fits with the football analogies from above (I'll cite the source and post it somewhere the next time I see it), but it goes like this:

The late great Vince Lombardi (the fellow whose name is on the trophy claimed in part when the running back, seeing the goal line and no opposing players, tried to follow his coach's instructions but managed to fall backwards on his ass into the end zone for the winning touchdown) was once asked why, given the talent and success of his great championship squads, he always ran blatantly simple and almost-obvious plays like a sweep or a fullback draw. He said "It is difficult to execute what it is difficult to understand."

All discussion aside, Kennedy was executed, and so was 9/11. You are busy thinking about how the tackle and the guard created such a huge hole, but the ball was in the end zone.

The 9/11 horse is so far beyond the barn now that it has hauled away our economy, our foreign policy, our domestic polity, and our rights.

Go take the off-season and read the playbooks and the elementary and developmental tools and training methods found here: http://trineday.com/paypal_store/product...lists.html

There are multiple paths and doorways into that learning library, but the book linked right above this is as good a compendium and starting place as any.

But I should be careful... and stick to writing symphonettes or perhaps an operetta.

Special Agent Colleen Rowley complained in a long letter to Director Robert Mueller that her warnings of Middle Eastern men taking flying lessons of limited scope fell on deaf ears of her FBI superiors. (And Obama retains Mueller for two years beyond the latter's ten-year term.)

Much as the warnings of confidential informant Carol Howe to her BATF handler Angela Finney failed to move the FBI to raid Elohim City where Andy the German was advised, "Tell him Tim is coming through."

The FBI lied to us about TWA Flight 800, that it was a shoulder-launched missile from a fast boat.

Someone calling himself Osama bin Laden allegedly running an outfit called Al Qaeda blew up some African Embassies in 1998, the year the person gave an interview to ABC News remarking how quickly the U.S. left the field in the 1993 Somali incident termed Blackhawk Down.

Was Osama an agent of U.S. intelligence. Was he an unwitting agent. Was he merely facilitated. Did OBL task KSM to arrange nineteen hijackers on four flights with four targets.

With the towers there were planes. The extreme view is that there were not. I take the more conservative view on the towers: planes, real ones, with real screaming people and lots of jet fuel. Let the Pentagon and Flight 93 anomalies go for now.

So this much requires only CIA working with OBL and KSM, or simply observing and knocking down John O'Neill when he sniffs it comingwhich actually happened.

And CIA or NSA or another black team knocks down any radar or cell phone traffic warning in the half hour run-up.

In the weeks prior, there were teams of men in coveralls arriving with work orders for certain floors of the towers, vacant floors, with generalized work specified. These are mechanics of the agency involvedas such they are competent in their trade and reliable in their focus. They complete one assignment and are reassigned, perhaps after a suitable payout and respite.

The orders for this work came from a handful of upper-level agency people. They received orders from a person in such authority no order is ever questioned.

At some level are men who literally own the world. You see George Bush holding the Saudi monarch's hand. You hear that a Saudi prince paid for Obama's Harvard. I stipulate Huma Abedin is the Saudi agent of influence for the Secretary of State.

The point being the top level of decision owns presidents.

At the lowest level, the mechanic for the NSA installed the devices because of the National Security in his employers name.

An entirely different chain of androids modeled on the aquarium-cleaning snail is tasked with explaining the anomalies and confabulating the critics.

If Prouty is right, it's the same game of chess played by the high cabal since time immermorial.

The mechanics received explicit instructions and special devices all the product of the most sophisticated analysis of the problem worked through the largest computers:

A tower of X design impacted by a 737 with Y gallons of fuel guaranteed to burn in spectacular fashion for a half hour necessary to get the audience on the edge of its seats.

And

at the peak of adrenalinized anxiety GO GO GO on the switches, and key columns of the four core corners (perhaps those sixteen on which the cranes relied) are blown at the end splice plates, taking out the bolts and/or welds, some key floor truss connections

DOWN goes the center tent poll pulling the canvas of the roof and then the sides.

Now, it wouldn't have taken ALL sixteen, and perhaps there were redundant devices, and those not energized had a secondary circuit for self-destruction.

Thus nothing in the rubble pile to be found by the searchers.

Again, as this is not Mr. Roger's Neighborhood but the realm of the Military-Industrial Complex: it is not necessary to re-invent the wheel.

911 was just one more false-flag operation of which there have been X number since 1947.

An engineer was tasked with designing the program of prepared charges. And if he was the special genius of the type who designed the bouncing dambuster bomb op, it may have been much more elegant than I've posited.

But as Ed saysit was done.

I have not shifted my focus...I have interest on multiple levels concerning 9/11. Sometimes on the very details of what happened and other times on the meta issues. But they all are linked somehow are they? If you look at the behavior of nuerons you learn something about the brain and perhaps thought even... maybe. 9/11 is kind of like that.