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The trouble with that is the oscilloscope booms were not evenly spaced as per my post above.



Your video shows smoke at the base of the building in possible sequence with the Penthouse core collapse. As discussed above that could go either way.


The question then becomes whether the swaying was caused by cutter packs or natural weakening? Common sense and probability would point towards natural weakening (But not exclude thermite weakening).

Albert Doyle Wrote:The trouble with that is the oscilloscope booms were not evenly spaced as per my post above.



Your video shows smoke at the base of the building in possible sequence with the Penthouse core collapse. As discussed above that could go either way.


The question then becomes whether the swaying was caused by cutter packs or natural weakening? Common sense and probability would point towards natural weakening (But not exclude thermite weakening).

That they are not precisely even in my view not a problem. Just watch a lot of videos of demolitions on youtube. The point is that they were all LOUD EXPLOSIONS. To my ears, they sound like explosions one cold expect in a CD. I described them as sequential.

Regarding the "early" smoke and collapse of the penthouse, since as per my arguement for CD, my guess is that the more likely cause is that the building has been weakened by non-natural causes. I have hypothesized elsewhere that Orling's pointing out the vulnerabilities were exploited in this apparent CD.

The only data we have is the movement of the building and perhaps the appearance of lots of dust or a flare out before the visible collapse. Any sounds have to be related to wither explosions or parts of the building hit each other or the ground... or the sub station. Floor slabs which no long have support and collapse will make quite the loud noise when the hit something.

We know the end result.. a completely shattered building with the slabs crushed to dust. You can't have that sort of mechanical destruction without noise or heat as a by product. One really needs to have that data to solve the mystery.

A sequence of sounds can be the collapse of floors crashing just as it could be that of explosives going off in sequence. I tend not to goi with the sequence of explosions because it makes little sense. If you are going to blow it why not just set them off at once at the trusses and then the building would collapse down? It hardly makes sense to take donw one floor at a time... and break many columns to do it all simultaneously repeated several times?

Remember the roof line movement had no resistance for 100 feet of drop. The only explanation that makes sense to me is the 6&7th floor structure was destroyed and it topped off at 104' above the ground the precise distance for a 2.25 free fall. Therefore the sounds were more likely colliding building parts than the exposives that set them free.

And of course what accounts in the CD theory for the creation of all the dust? Was THAT from explosives or was it (as I suggest) from floors crushing each other... 43 of them to be exact?

Only explanation for swaying of a 250,000 ton structure is load redistribution. PERIOD FULL STOP. (...aside from excessive wind load and harmonic motion)

The booms appear to have come after the Penthouse core collapse. Therefore Orling has some explaining to do because it was after the East Penthouse collapse but before the main building collapse which would rule out floor crashing noises.




Orling: The swaying could be caused by thermite packs weaking the structure.

Albert Doyle Wrote:The booms appear to have come after the Penthouse core collapse. Therefore Orling has some explaining to do because it was after the East Penthouse collapse but before the main building collapse which would rule out floor crashing noises.




Orling: The swaying could be caused by thermite packs weaking the structure.

Albert,

how did you come to this conclusion?

By watching many videos of the collapse and paying attention to the smoke plume, Penthouse collapse, main building collapse, and second count on the video. The best gauge is the Banfield video where they show the standing building as she speaks. It's still possible the booms were the falling floors of the Penthouse core or subsequent collapse of the supporting members prior to the main collapse. If so I'd damned like to see the oscilloscope from Banfield's microphone as the main building fell for comparison.

Albert Doyle Wrote:By watching many videos of the collapse and paying attention to the smoke plume, Penthouse collapse, main building collapse, and second count on the video. The best gauge is the Banfield video where they show the standing building as she speaks. It's still possible the booms were the falling floors of the Penthouse core or subsequent collapse of the supporting members prior to the main collapse. If so I'd damned like to see the oscilloscope from Banfield's microphone as the main building fell for comparison.

The frequency of OLEs certainly argues against the origin of building collapse coming from falling floors. They are rapid imo. Thus far, I think it is game, set, match for the fire generated collapse theory.

The fire generated collapse in its official [BIG LIE] version or in the JO unzip variant can not be true [not possible by laws of physics] for many reasons...one only needs one to rule it out....that is the nearly free-fall speed of collapse [no resistance - as the support columns were CUT]. There are many OTHER reasons it couldn't and didn't happen that way.....endlessly going over this stops movement forward [which is its purpose by the deniers, IMO]. There are much more important NEW aspects to be discussed and explored...but they want you Laure and others to be on first base and never move past it....the old Colby and others trick. Don't fall for it. They are happy to have interested 911Truth Seekers chase their tails, endlessly exploring the first principals that have been dismissed long ago. Physics and chemistry simply do not hold up for a fire-generated collapse. It doesn't even pass the laugh test. No steel frame building has ever collapsed from fire before or after..but on that special day when physics was miraculously suspended by the national security apparatus somehow three enormous skyscrapers with modest fires burning at heats too low to weaken them OR produce the molten steel seen by many and still visible in the 'meteorites' came down at nearly free fall speed [a second or two later]. No resistance of one floor hitting another - and even if the floors had fallen [they didn't, they were cut] the central core columns would have stood. Oddly they broke up into pieces just the right size for the trucks that removed them....run by the same spook-related company that dismantled and hid the evidence at OK City. There is not enough energy in such a collapse to pulverize all as was done and how does one explain the nanothermite in the dust - both unreacted and reaction products if there were not huge quantities of nanothermite? I'm going to post NEW and ADVANCED information on 911 and IGNORE those who would have us go back to step one and chase our tails.....that is JO's purpose here and a few others, IMO. Just as with the JFK Assassination we can stop discussing LHO being the shooter or doing it in three magic shots we should stop with these introductory 911 101 facts. Those who pulled this off don't want us to look deeply at who benefitied; HOW it was pulled off and by whom....they are happy when we endlessly squabble over the basics - which have already been shown to NOT ON THE SIDE OF THE OFFICIAL LIE - and NOT POSSIBLE, NOT ONLY NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE EVIDENCE.

The speed of collapse was in the neighborhood of 65 mph... and so the floor impacts would be at that speed. This wasn't an internal combustion engine in 4th gear so there would be some variance. That speed means a collision about every .01 seconds... about 10 per second once it get up to speed.

A CD presumably blow out the structure at the base... not sequentially up the tower... as it is done in 99% of building CDs. Would the explosions be those at the various columns below the top section? There were about 45 below the typical floors with 81 columns.

What was being exploded? Are you suggesting one acre of concrete per floor per explosion along with the column connections? You're not suggesting the building was vaporized by these explosions are you?

We don't have an historical record of 50 story buildings collapsing as a reference. Nor do we have any CDs of that size. This is virgin territory any way you look at it.

So what do the CD experts say about how to take that tower down...not what it looks like. It looks like a building collapsing. It was!

The swaying cause is yet to be determined. I don't know that thermite could weaken the frame. It's not been proven to have been there AND it was supposedly on a thin layer in the paint. How would that work on steel plates 2" thick?