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Operation forty pic - Peter Lemkin - 18-06-2014
Wow...I looked at the article referenced and HAD to say a bit more. I like Hopsicker and am sorry he got so very much wrong in this article. I hardly know where to begin - it is like one of those children's pictures 'how many things can you find wrong in this picture?' Answer: too many to even go into here! A few - and only a few!:
- That famous or infamous photo has Seal and Goss and Rodriguez, and many other interesting persons in it...but, the person hiding his face, partially, with his jacket is Plumlee NOT Sturgis!
- Yes, there was a report about a small plane at Redbird, but that was yet another diversion, and I didn't even mention it in my post above. January, Plumlee, the man January met who told him JFK was about to be killed when he visited Dallas all were talking about a much larger plane [C-47] leaving Dallas in the hours after the shooting. [Vinson was on a C-54.]
- While many [not all] individual items in the 'story' are true, the way they are connected shows that Hopsicker shouldn't dabble in the JFK assassination - its too complex for amateurs. He should stick with his other materials, which he knows more about. I don't know if Hopsicker just got it wrong not being a specialist in JFK matters - or he was steered to 'get it wrong' - either way he got it wrong! He left out completely [as have I] the 'Oswald' and friends wanting to rent a plane for the 22nd.....and it is gone into in Smith's book - as January was the one approached by the 'Oswald' look-alike and friends. It was, like the shooting range and the car dealership drive and so many other such - just another set-up of the patsy by the real plotters' operatives.
Operation forty pic - Albert Doyle - 18-06-2014
Peter Lemkin Wrote:- That famous or infamous photo has Seal and Goss and Rodriguez, and many other interesting persons in it...but, the person hiding his face, partially, with his jacket is Plumlee NOT Sturgis!
Sorry Peter. That can't be.
Go to the enlarged photo of the man with his face hidden and look at his irises. Although the picture is in black and white the man with his face covered has brown colored eyes.
Now go to Google images and look at Tosh Plumlee's eyes. He has blue colored irises. Very blue.
Even though the photo of the man with his face covered is in black and white Tosh's eyes are so blue that they would definitely not register as dark as the irises of the man with his face covered. There's no doubt that the man with his face covered has brown eyes. That excludes Tosh Plumlee I'm afraid.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1253&bih=658&q=Tosh+Plumlee&oq=Tosh+Plumlee&gs_l=img.3..0l2j0i5l2j0i24l6.2215.5320.0.6958.12.12.0.0.0.0.156.1267.6j6.12.0....0...1ac..47.img..0.12.1267.hugFDN71xMU#imgdii=_
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Operation forty pic - Peter Lemkin - 18-06-2014
I know Plumlee well and met with him for many years. I have photos of him from all through his life. That is him...and he has admitted it is him [but that alone doesn't absolutely mean it is so!!!] He has named the date and the occasion to me - and even that Hopsicker got wrong or was told wrong. Eye color/shade is the easiest thing to tamper with in a photo and we know how intelligence-related photos can be tampered with - but can also just change with ambient lighting and flash, etc. Besides, knowing the nature of the meeting and the others there, Plumlee would fit, and Sturgis would not. In your google search url above, even that photo is listed! Check out the hairline and face structure. If it is not Plumlee, it is someone other than Sturgis...but my bet and belief and word from Plumlee is it is Plumlee.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]6085[/ATTACH] Plumlee [ATTACH=CONFIG]6086[/ATTACH]
Sturgis [ATTACH=CONFIG]6087[/ATTACH]
Operation forty pic - Albert Doyle - 18-06-2014
Maybe.
If you look at the hair in the photo of the older Plumlee the distance across his forehead from the hair on both sides is shorter than the same distance on photos of Sturgis. The forehead distance between side hair matches Sturgis more than Plumlee. So do the eyes.
I'm not saying it's 100% Sturgis. That's hard to prove. Forgery would call off all bets.
Anyway, if we have a government that puts CIA agents in charge as parole officers and threatens citizens with further jail time for threatening to expose their murder of Kennedy then we have a Nazi government that needs to be overthrown.
Isn't forgery detectable?
Operation forty pic - Drew Phipps - 18-06-2014
If you have a "front on" picture of Plumlee with eyes open I can get a pixel ratio between width of nose (at the specific point crossed by the coat) and distance between pupils. That may not be a perfect biometric measurement but it might be more consistent with one or the other of them. Small numbers of pixels in these photos means a higher margin of error.
Data: Hide photo: eyes 18 pixels, nose 5 pixels, ratio =~.278
Sturgis photo: eyes 22 pixels, nose between 6, 6.5 pixels, ratio = .272-.295 (from post above)
Sturgis photo (from below) eyes 49 pixels nose 14 pixels, ratio = .286
Plumlee photo eyes 25 pixels nose between 6.5, 7 pixels, ratio= .26 - .28
found this one, is it him?[ATTACH=CONFIG]6088[/ATTACH]
heres a better photo of Sturgis for pixel counting [ATTACH=CONFIG]6089[/ATTACH]
Neither of them are excluded by the pixel counting. Sturgis' nose is almost too wide to be the hiding man, and Plumlee's is almost too narrow. I do note that Plumlee's eyes in the color photo appear to be darker than blue. (if that's really him).
The hiding man in the original photo has his face angled slightly to the right of the camera, which would tend to make the measured ration slightly larger than the actual nose size. Plus, if that jacket is exerting any pressure on the nose it would look wider not narrower. After looking at the Sturgis mug shot, pixel counting favors Plumlee as the hiding man.
If this guy isn't Plumlee then maybe you have a more pixel friendly photo of him from the front with eyes open.
Edit: Using .pdf of Plumlee from below post I get a ratio of .283, still close enough to be the hiding man but far closer to Sturgis than I expected. So at this point the nose/eye ration is kind of a toss up, with Plumlee's being closer but both falling within any pixel counting range of error of the Hiding Man. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Operation forty pic - Albert Doyle - 18-06-2014
This is interesting because Sturgis's eyebrows thin out noticeably towards the side. Plumlee's are thick all the way across. The man in the photo appears to have thick eyebrows all the way across. ???
Operation forty pic - Albert Doyle - 18-06-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:Plumlee photo ?
fond this one, is it him?[ATTACH=CONFIG]6088[/ATTACH]
Could be Sturgis, but Sturgis nose appears wider.
No, I think that's Sabow. Another casualty of the shadow fascist government. He died a shotgun "suicide" death after discovering CIA cocaine smuggling at his airbase.
I agree high tech analysis could be put to the hidden face man photo.
Operation forty pic - Peter Lemkin - 18-06-2014
Albert Doyle Wrote:Plumlee photo ?
fond this one, is it him?[ATTACH=CONFIG]6088[/ATTACH]
Could be Sturgis, but Sturgis nose appears wider.
No, I think that's Sabow. Another casualty of the shadow fascist government. He died a shotgun "suicide" death after discovering CIA cocaine smuggling at his airbase.
I agree high tech analysis could be put to the hidden face man photo.[/QUOTE]
That is NOT Plumlee nor any other spook we talk of here. That is Sabow, who was murdered for questioning on his airbase CIA and Military drug flights. Plumlee knew him well and has worked with Sabow's brother to prove he was murdered and not a 'suicide' - why a Plumlee search might well pull up this photo.
Operation forty pic - Drew Phipps - 18-06-2014
Okay well then I'll wait for a better photo of the real Plumlee to surface.
Operation forty pic - Magda Hassan - 18-06-2014
Albert Doyle Wrote:Plumlee photo ?
fond this one, is it him?[ATTACH=CONFIG]6088[/ATTACH]
Could be Sturgis, but Sturgis nose appears wider.
No, I think that's Sabow. Another casualty of the shadow fascist government. He died a shotgun "suicide" death after discovering CIA cocaine smuggling at his airbase.
I agree high tech analysis could be put to the hidden face man photo.[/QUOTE]
Agree, looks like Col. Sabow to me also.