Charles Drago Wrote:

Seamus Coogan Wrote:

Charles Drago Wrote:Seamus,

I don't want the blood to boil again on this topic, but the quote in your previous post is beyond absurd.

Lol, no danger of 'blood boiling' here. I'm not getting at anyone or proving a point. I just think it's an interesting idea and I'm sure Gregs got a good answer for it. Of course we do need sources and if Al can come up with some that would be interesting. But I imagine Greg will point out that dear old Bundy was pretty tooled up in the Eastern Establishment anyhow. If anything CD I jumped the gun on GB awhile back before I'd had the chance to hear him out.

As for the rest of what you said. Im not sure if its directed at me or the general populace because I do agree with you 100 percent on the issue of JFK's speech. :dancingman:

Let me be clear, Seamus:

1. I did not direct my commentary at you.

2. I had previously reacted strongly against the Doyle quote you chose. It contains textbook examples of over-complication and the conflation of hypothesis and fantasy.

3. Greg and I have agreed to disagree on this point. I remind all who may be interested that the harsh words we exchanged have been buried, and my respect for Greg's work continues to grow. FWIW, my friend Peter Lemkin and I also hold radically different views on JFK's meaning (Pete is in basic agreement with Greg). So too my friend Jack White.

Phil Dragoo Wrote:Greg, your mention again of Bundy's sinister permeation led me to locate:


It is also clear, though seldom mentioned in the literature, that the order to cancel the air strikes, after Kennedy had formally approved them, came not from Kennedy himself but from McGeorge Bundy. Taylor relates the sequence of events: At about 9:30 P.M. on 16 April, Mr. McGeorge Bundy, Special Assistant to the President, telephoned General C.P. Cabell of CIA to inform him that the dawn airstrikes the following morning should not be launched until they could be conducted from a strip within the beachhead. Mr. Bundy indicated that any further consultation with regard to this matter should be with the Secretary ofState (Memo. 1, para. 43).


The Bay of Pigs Revisited by Michael D. Morrissey
http://history.eserver.org/bay-of-pigs.txt


So here is Bundy torpedoing the CIA op and Kennedy in one fell swoop.

At the end it was quite unexpected to find a Daniel Patrick Moynihan observation:


An American Original

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/11/moynihan-letters-201011

"IT'S OVER"
November 22, 1963

A memorandum dictated by Moynihan to himself, describing his chaotic, terrible day after news of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy reached Washington. William Walton was an artist and Kennedy-family friend. Charles Horsky was a prominent lawyer and White House adviser on national capital affairs. Moynihan at the time was an assistant secretary of labor in the Kennedy administration.

Bill Walton, Charlie Horsky and I were just finishing lunch at Walton's housein the grandest good mood with Walton leaving for the Russian tour that afternoonI was talking about Brasilia and the phone rang. Oh no! Killed! No! Horsky's office had phoned for him to return. We rushed upstairs. Television had some of it but the commercials continued. Bill began sobbing. Out of control. Horsky in a rage. Clint (?)Jackie's agent had said the President is dead. Walton knew this meant it was so. He dressed more or less and we went directly to the White House from Georgetown. On the way the radio reported that Albert Thomas had said he might be living.

We went directly to the President's office which was torn apart with new carpets being put down in his office and the cabinet room. As if a new President were to take office. No one about save Chuck Daly. McGeorge Bundy appeared. Icy. Ralph Dungan came in smoking a pipe, quizzical, as if unconcerned. Then Sorensen. The three together in the door of the hallway that leads to the Cabinet room area. Dead silent. Someone said "It's over."

This on the heels of your (Greg's) naming Bundy as the likely author of NSAM 273.

Onward into the quagmire with the best and the brightest.

There was a mocking response to my observations on lancer, and surprise, surprise, the mocker was a nutter.

Alice, we're surely near tea time.

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Seamus Coogan Wrote:Kris Milligan, good god. The only thing useful he has ever done is outting James Bamford.

Seamus - I assume you are referring to Kris Millegan of Trine Day here.

If so, your statement is truly ridiculous. Kris has published much excellent work, including George Michael Evica's A Certain Arrogance and Peter Levenda's Sinister Forces trilogy. See here.

Charles Drago Wrote:I might add that were it not for David Guyatt's kind introduction to Kris and the latter's patience and passion, GME's A Certain Arrogance would have been condemned to the obscurity of a self-published and shabbily produced volume.

Dawn Meredith Wrote:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Seamus Coogan Wrote:Kris Milligan, good god. The only thing useful he has ever done is outting James Bamford.

Seamus - I assume you are referring to Kris Millegan of Trine Day here.

If so, your statement is truly ridiculous. Kris has published much excellent work, including George Michael Evica's A Certain Arrogance and Peter Levenda's Sinister Forces trilogy. See here.

Thank you Jan, I was about to make the same point.
The other point I wish to make is to ask that you guys take personal attacks off the forum and do em in private. We are trying to avoid looking like some other forums where the main focus seems to be flame wars.
Seamus, you are overly defensive. In addition to being so very wrong about Kris Millegan. We can all agree to disagree.

Dawn

Quote:I hope that clears it all up you. Have missed you all by the way.

Keith Millea Wrote:

Quote:I hope that clears it all up you. Have missed you all by the way.

Hey Seamus,

I missed you also.It's not easy being the lone one here that hasn't a clue as to where to put a comma.Please stick around................