Charles Drago Wrote:Allan, et al,

Herein lies the conundrum presented knowingly and with relish by "Albert Doyle"-like entities.

To ignore their coordinated efforts to disinform is to provide safe havens for their lies and sophistries and other provocations.

To respond without acknowledging their true agendas is to support their efforts by supporting the illusion that their points are, if not sound, then at least honorably offered.

To expose and excoriate them, as I and a handful of others continue to do, is to risk estrangement from true allies and friends who cannot or will not acknowledge the ongoing hostile operations.

The only effective courses of action available to us are to expose the "Doyles" wherever and whenever they appear and then ban those identities from forum access.

I understand that they will keep coming.

They should understand that we'll be waiting for them.

"Albert Doyle" is not the first agent provocateur to penetrate DPF. "He" will not be the last.

So be it.

In closing, a simple question:

Are there any DPF members willing to come forward to argue for the legitimacy of "Albert Doyle"?

LR Trotter Wrote:As I recall, my first knowledge about the death of William Bruce Pitzer was aquired by watching the TV series, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, during the '90s. So, I believe it was the Dennis David commentary that indicated WBP's death was a homicide, as presened on the TMWKK broadcast. But, I have to wonder if DD's determined supposition that WBP was left-handed was because of the way WBP dealt cards while playing bridge, or did he mention any other indications? I am right-handed, and very dominatedly so. In my much younger days, I spent some years as a truck driver, and I can't even imagine the difficulty constantly going through those 13 gears if I had been left-handed. Especially considering the short hauls that were basically countywide and into neighboring counties delivering a very perishable product. I have never played bridge, but a very popular pastime among the truck drivers between loads was playing poker. Small pots of course, but a day's pay could be won or lost in a short period of time. But, without even thinking about it, when I was the dealer, without fail I dealt left-handed. Had it not been for the comments from the other players, I might not have noticed it myself. I might add, for me the card dealing being two handed, it was easier to hold the deck with my dominate right hand and deal with the left. But, I seem to believe I had read later accounts about WBP's death that caused considerable doubt that it was a homicide, IMO. Based on what I have now read, it appears to have been suicide, but again, JMO. And, whether an accident, a homicide, or a suicide, I don't see WBP's death having any impact on the murder of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, but I do wish for justice.

:nosmilie:

Allan Eaglesham Wrote:

LR Trotter Wrote:As I recall, my first knowledge about the death of William Bruce Pitzer was aquired by watching the TV series, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, during the '90s. So, I believe it was the Dennis David commentary that indicated WBP's death was a homicide, as presened on the TMWKK broadcast. But, I have to wonder if DD's determined supposition that WBP was left-handed was because of the way WBP dealt cards while playing bridge, or did he mention any other indications? I am right-handed, and very dominatedly so. In my much younger days, I spent some years as a truck driver, and I can't even imagine the difficulty constantly going through those 13 gears if I had been left-handed. Especially considering the short hauls that were basically countywide and into neighboring counties delivering a very perishable product. I have never played bridge, but a very popular pastime among the truck drivers between loads was playing poker. Small pots of course, but a day's pay could be won or lost in a short period of time. But, without even thinking about it, when I was the dealer, without fail I dealt left-handed. Had it not been for the comments from the other players, I might not have noticed it myself. I might add, for me the card dealing being two handed, it was easier to hold the deck with my dominate right hand and deal with the left. But, I seem to believe I had read later accounts about WBP's death that caused considerable doubt that it was a homicide, IMO. Based on what I have now read, it appears to have been suicide, but again, JMO. And, whether an accident, a homicide, or a suicide, I don't see WBP's death having any impact on the murder of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, but I do wish for justice.

:nosmilie:

Larry:

There follows an excerpt from [URL="http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer/Article-8.html:"]

http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer/Article-8.html[/URL]

>The source of greatest confusion in this case is the misconception that William Pitzer was left-handed. When Dennis David, a bridge partner of Pitzer's, learned of his friend's death of a gunshot wound to the right temple, he immediately doubted the official verdict of suicide because he had a strong memory of Pitzer dealing cards with his left hand. However, in a January 29, 1995, telephone call to Mrs. Pitzer, Dan Marvin asked, "Was he -- was Bill -- right-handed or left-handed?" To which she replied, "He was right-handed." In response, Marvin said in confirmation, "Right-handed." I have confirmed that William Pitzer was right-handed with two other members of the family and a colleague, himself left-handed, who saw Pitzer sign his name on many occasions. Author Harrison Livingstone has contributed to the confusion. In his book High Treason 2, he chose, like Marvin in this documentary, to give more weight to how William Pitzer dealt cards than to what he was told by Mrs. Pitzer. In HT2, Livingstone wrote, "Dennis David...states that Pitzer was left-handed," whereas his earlier book High Treason (co-authored with Robert Groden) states, "His widow said...he was right-handed."<

Allan Eaglesham Wrote:Maybe in the ceiling above the step ladder? I wonder where that came from -- perhaps an old man who had long ago lost contact with reality?:

Albert Doyle Wrote:

Allan Eaglesham Wrote:Maybe in the ceiling above the step ladder? I wonder where that came from -- perhaps an old man who had long ago lost contact with reality?:

Allan, you're not seriously offering that stuff as proof against the Douglass version? I read your Martin Hay-like offerings and they seem to me to be defense lawyer-type nitpicking and character attacks that doesn't come anywhere close to disproving the Douglass version. Seems to me like you have quotes showing there were witnesses to Pitzer having possession of films that showed wounds contrary to the Commission's evidence. I also find it wrong to speak of Dan Marvin that way when he is mostly-likely a hero who came forward and told the truth about critical evidence. I actually take offense to it from someone who poses themselves as a conspiracy exposer. Which is my main problem with the now-disappeared Jim. Jim said to turn it over to Allan. Allan hasn't offered anything. I'm failing to see how Pitzer's murder doesn't dovetail completely with other murders of JFK assassination witnesses? Those parsing corrections don't overturn the obvious truth you yourself have shown. What kills me about this is how Jim doesn't realize he is taking the position of those who attacked Garrison in this case.