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The Head Wounds Revisited - Tracy Riddle - 24-06-2013
Sorry, Daniel, I'm not going to waste time arguing about the authenticity of the Zapruder film.
Remember that Zapruder himself, interviewed on TV shortly after the assassination, described seeing the right-front of the President's "head practically open up..." The back of the head is in deep shadow and you likely wouldn't see a hole there during the few frames it is visible in the film.
The Head Wounds Revisited - David Lifton - 24-06-2013
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Sorry, Daniel, I'm not going to waste time arguing about the authenticity of the Zapruder film.
Remember that Zapruder himself, interviewed on TV shortly after the assassination, described seeing the right-front of the President's "head practically open up..." The back of the head is in deep shadow and you likely wouldn't see a hole there during the few frames it is visible in the film.
Tracy,
I interviewed the Newmans (in November 1971) at their home. They were just two of the approximatley 5 witnesses I personally interviewed who said the car stopped. Furthermore, Bill Newman said without any equivocation that the shots came from directly behind him.
I also interviewed a slew of the Dallas doctors by phone in the time period October 1966-January, 1967; and then in person in January, 1983, and then on camera in 1989. There was never any doubt in the minds of those I interviewed that there was an avulsive blowout at the back of Kennedy's head.
You may choose not to "waste time" arguing about the issue of Zapruder film authenticity, but in fact it is one of the keys to the entire case.
This case is not (and was not) just about a "conspiracy of shooters." From the outset, this plot involved a plan to falsify evidence to create the appearance that all shots came from the so-called "sniper's nest."
And, because of the way events unfolded that day (e.g., the unexpected shooting of John Connally) it was impossible to create that appearance by simply putting a rifle near a false sniper's nest, and then firing some shots from the Dal-Tex Building. That's a nice (almost benign) hypothesis, but it doesn't fit with all the evidence. No way does that explain what happened in Dealey Plaza that day.
So I agree with Prof. Daniel Gallup's comments.
DSL
6/23/13; 5:40 PDT
Los Angeles, California
The Head Wounds Revisited - Gordon Gray - 24-06-2013
It seems to me that the main reason the Dallas doctors didn't see a larger wound was because they didn't reflect the scalp. It seems reasonable to accept Dr. Aguilar's explanation that Jackie cradling the President's head pressed the hair and scalp in place so that only the blow out in the rear was apparent to the Dallas doctors. If we take the Newman's literally then the shots that came directly behind them would have come from the pergola to the left of Zapruder's pedestal. They would have struck at a right angle and most likely exited from the left side of the head. Why would it have been necessary to conceal the fact that there were multiple shooters? As long as Oswald was shown to be one of them and he was connected to Castro, wouldn't it have been supposed that the others were too? This would seem to me only to increase the suspicion of a team of Castro agents being responsible. The LN scenario wasn't the initial aim of the plan, the false flag Castro operation was.
The Head Wounds Revisited - Phil Dragoo - 24-06-2013
To continue the theme that the assassination was not merely a conspiracy of shooters
The patsy may have been doubled from the age of 13 in 1952 (John Armstrong, Harvey and Lee);
He was sheepdipped as a easily demonized figure beginning with training at Nags Head 1957 (Richard Case Nagell/Dick Russell);
He was maneuvered into Dallas and the depository using CIA assets DeMohrenschildt and Paine (Jay Leno: oh yea I'm way out of line);
Evidence was thoroughly destroyed, altered, created, suppressed to preserve the cover;
The "patsy" was silenced;
The crossfire demonstrated the imperative of success, and the theft of the body or Best Evidence by the Secret Service is highly indicative;
The Clifton tape mentions the black Cadillac, while the casket is transported by a gray Navy ambulance;
The autopsy photos, x-rays, records, and testimony are massively forged, purged, manipulated;
Witnesses are ignored or intimidated or eliminated while actors testify to incriminating scenarios;
The Federal police conduct selective investigation under the scrutiny of the unbalanced, compromised Director who despised the martyred president;
The Commission is a tableaux at Acheson's instruction including the main enemy of the dead president and Klaus Barbie's best friend;
Journalists and academicians are for a half century intimidated into supporting the Big Lie;
The Confusatory and History-Revised-Channel create endless rationalizations for the warfighters' coup;
The intelligence agency tasked with foreign duties mounted an unheard of operation against a district attorney in New Orleans in defense of an asset linked to the forces attempting to assassinate DeGaulle;
There is no end to the evidence of revision, of conspiracy, crossfire, coverup, coup;
To conclude:
The film of Abraham Zapruder is yet one more wilderness of mirrors,
that phrase of Eliot's Gerontion stolen by world-class liar Angleton now with others of that ilk in a warm place:
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The Head Wounds Revisited - Daniel Gallup - 24-06-2013
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Sorry, Daniel, I'm not going to waste time arguing about the authenticity of the Zapruder film.
Remember that Zapruder himself, interviewed on TV shortly after the assassination, described seeing the right-front of the President's "head practically open up..." The back of the head is in deep shadow and you likely wouldn't see a hole there during the few frames it is visible in the film.
You're right, Tracy, you don't have to waste time; it is far easier to ignore the inexplicable.
The Head Wounds Revisited - Daniel Gallup - 24-06-2013
Gordon Gray Wrote:It seems to me that the main reason the Dallas doctors didn't see a larger wound was because they didn't reflect the scalp. It seems reasonable to accept Dr. Aguilar's explanation that Jackie cradling the President's head pressed the hair and scalp in place so that only the blow out in the rear was apparent to the Dallas doctors. If we take the Newman's literally then the shots that came directly behind them would have come from the pergola to the left of Zapruder's pedestal. They would have struck at a right angle and most likely exited from the left side of the head. Why would it have been necessary to conceal the fact that there were multiple shooters? As long as Oswald was shown to be one of them and he was connected to Castro, wouldn't it have been supposed that the others were too? This would seem to me only to increase the suspicion of a team of Castro agents being responsible. The LN scenario wasn't the initial aim of the plan, the false flag Castro operation was.
Gordon, correct me if I am wrong, but I see three flaws in Dr. Aguilar's explanation. First Humes reports that the area "chiefly parietal but extending somewhat into the occipital" was devoid of scalp and bone. The Dallas doctors missed this wound completely. Second, let us suppose that a great quantity if skull and brain matter was lost to this area, but the scalp remained somewhat intact and Jackie did her part of keep that part of the head as close to natural as possible. That a man of Kemp Clark's credentials would then not be able to discern the loss of bone and brain in that area of the skull (I assume we are talking about the area Boswell marked "missing') is utterly incomprehensible to me. Third, it is precisely this area where Humes uttered before the FBI and everyone else in attendance that surgery had been done to the top of the skull. With all due respect to Dr. Augilar, I believe he is grasping at straws, and missing the far clearer picture of fraud in the evidence.
The Head Wounds Revisited - Albert Doyle - 24-06-2013
Gordon Gray Wrote:Why would it have been necessary to conceal the fact that there were multiple shooters? As long as Oswald was shown to be one of them and he was connected to Castro, wouldn't it have been supposed that the others were too? This would seem to me only to increase the suspicion of a team of Castro agents being responsible. The LN scenario wasn't the initial aim of the plan, the false flag Castro operation was.
You have a moving target unfolding in many layers as it progressed. The shooters could have been brought in under many scenarios including one team thinking it was yet another test, or perhaps a shoot and miss operation in order to accuse Castro. The conspirators had already gone through the Cuban invasion dilemma with the Missile Crisis so there could have been yet another layer of plotters who designed the target as VietNam all along. This could have had a random organic evolution as those who took charge after the assassination decided what to do. However the alteration of the NSAM 273 document could have indicated intent prior to the shooting. Hence the move towards Lone Nut after the deed had been done. The Lone Nut scenario keeps the communists in play but only through the filter of a communist-leaning traitor. Any direct ties to communist influence would be used to convince the investigators they had an obligation to ignore any incriminating evidence other than that of the official story. If you back-build this scenario it becomes possible imposters were used in Mexico in order to disavow communist involvement if necessary. A very complex plot.
Don't forget there was some brain matter to the forward in the limousine.
The Head Wounds Revisited - Tracy Riddle - 24-06-2013
So, Daniel, do you think Zapruder himself was part of the plot and knew within an hour what the wounds were supposed to look like?
David L, do you think the Z-film was entirely fabricated or just partly altered? When was there time to do this? Do you think they did it before the assassination? Or sometime that afternoon?
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And, because of the way events unfolded that day (e.g., the unexpected shooting of John Connally) it was impossible to create that appearance by simply putting a rifle near a false sniper's nest, and then firing some shots from the Dal-Tex Building. That's a nice (almost benign) hypothesis, but it doesn't fit with all the evidence. No way does that explain what happened in Dealey Plaza that day.
Well, you managed to misread (or misrepresent) what I posted. I said that the plotters intended to hit JFK in the back of the head with one shot, but it didn't work out that way. The other shooters were meant to be backups.
The Head Wounds Revisited - Daniel Gallup - 24-06-2013
Tracy Riddle Wrote:So, Daniel, do you think Zapruder himself was part of the plot and knew within an hour what the wounds were supposed to look like?
David L, do you think the Z-film was entirely fabricated or just partly altered? When was there time to do this? Do you think they did it before the assassination? Or sometime that afternoon?
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And, because of the way events unfolded that day (e.g., the unexpected shooting of John Connally) it was impossible to create that appearance by simply putting a rifle near a false sniper's nest, and then firing some shots from the Dal-Tex Building. That's a nice (almost benign) hypothesis, but it doesn't fit with all the evidence. No way does that explain what happened in Dealey Plaza that day.
Well, you managed to misread (or misrepresent) what I posted. I said that the plotters intended to hit JFK in the back of the head with one shot, but it didn't work out that way. The other shooters were meant to be backups.
Tracy, I hold no brief on Zapruder. I am a firm believer in the laws of nature, which tells us that there can be no effect without a cause. The effect is that which is witnessed and corroborated at Parkland: an avulsive wound with bones sprung out in such a manner as to indicate a shot exiting the back of the head, with a great loss of brain, blood and bone in that area. The cause? According to the extant Z-film, nothing. Nada. Zip. Because according the the extant film, nothing exited the back of Kennedy's head. In fact, let me advance the problem further. According to the extant film, a large amount of brain, blood and bone apparently exited the right front of Kennedy's head. But then we have Jackie's words: "from the front there was nothing..." So it would appear from the front of the head we have a cause without an effect, and from the back of the head, an effect without a cause. That's why, in addition to the limo stop, I put no faith in the extant film. I hope that clarifies my position.
The Head Wounds Revisited - Jan Klimkowski - 24-06-2013
Some logistical possibilities are explored in the thread here:
The Two NPIC Zapruder Film Events: Signposts Pointing to the Film's Alteration