Lauren Johnson Wrote:

Ken Garretson Wrote:

Lauren Johnson Wrote:

Quote:I think all the talk and footage of 'crisis actors' is largely BS. I'm not sold that what I'm seeing on those videos is unexplainable in other ways.

I'm open to hearing how the same person, i.e. "Munoz" can turn up and be interviewed in four different crises across the country. How about listing some of those other ways. You can't say it's not the same person.

I appreciate you telling me what I can't say :-)

Let me ask this if I may. Do you find this video to be convincing?

https://verumetinventa.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/new-world-order-exposing-crisis-actor-victoria-munoz-in-5-events/

Yup. Same person and unexplainable in other ways ASAIK. So, where is the BS?

Ken Garretson Wrote:

Lauren Johnson Wrote:

Ken Garretson Wrote:

Lauren Johnson Wrote:I'm open to hearing how the same person, i.e. "Munoz" can turn up and be interviewed in four different crises across the country. How about listing some of those other ways. You can't say it's not the same person.

I appreciate you telling me what I can't say :-)

Let me ask this if I may. Do you find this video to be convincing?

https://verumetinventa.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/new-world-order-exposing-crisis-actor-victoria-munoz-in-5-events/

Yup. Same person and unexplainable in other ways AFAIK. So, where is the BS?

With all due respect, if you believe those images are of the same woman, then what I have to say is just for others that may be reading.

For the most part, these images are not of the same person. The exception being the Boston (upper right of the compiled image of four individual pictures) and Watertown (lower left)--which is essentially the same place and event. They may or may not be the same person, we barely see the person on the lower left (Watertown) but the person on the upper right, 'Boston', is definitely not the Munoz pictured in the upper left.

Also, there is a presentation of a bio of Munoz, consistent with the image of the woman from Newton MA, which actually serves to corroborate that Munoz is a person living and working in that area!

The transportation secretary image is a total red herring, and the author of the page even admits that and links to videos where he debunked himself.

I know you said I couldn't say what I just said, so edit as needed. ;-) But seriously, thanks for the conversation.

There are very serious issues with Orlando that the corporate media misrepresent and ignore because they are not doing the job of a free press; they have been 'captured' by outside interests. But this focus on 'crisis actors' just weakens the greater arguments. I will add that I do believe there are attention seekers at times of crisis; people that lie about their stories for face time. The most famous such case was about a woman that lied about her 9/11 experience--I think there was a book or movie and she was exposed after many years. But this is very different than implying that there are actors coordinated with shooters/bombers. Anything is possible, but this 'Munoz' is not evidence of such.

Lauren Johnson Wrote:

Ken Garretson Wrote:

Lauren Johnson Wrote:

Ken Garretson Wrote:I appreciate you telling me what I can't say :-)

Let me ask this if I may. Do you find this video to be convincing?

https://verumetinventa.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/new-world-order-exposing-crisis-actor-victoria-munoz-in-5-events/

Yup. Same person and unexplainable in other ways AFAIK. So, where is the BS?

With all due respect, if you believe those images are of the same woman, then what I have to say is just for others that may be reading.

For the most part, these images are not of the same person. The exception being the Boston (upper right of the compiled image of four individual pictures) and Watertown (lower left)--which is essentially the same place and event. They may or may not be the same person, we barely see the person on the lower left (Watertown) but the person on the upper right, 'Boston', is definitely not the Munoz pictured in the upper left.

Also, there is a presentation of a bio of Munoz, consistent with the image of the woman from Newton MA, which actually serves to corroborate that Munoz is a person living and working in that area!

The transportation secretary image is a total red herring, and the author of the page even admits that and links to videos where he debunked himself.

I know you said I couldn't say what I just said, so edit as needed. ;-) But seriously, thanks for the conversation.

There are very serious issues with Orlando that the corporate media misrepresent and ignore because they are not doing the job of a free press; they have been 'captured' by outside interests. But this focus on 'crisis actors' just weakens the greater arguments. I will add that I do believe there are attention seekers at times of crisis; people that lie about their stories for face time. The most famous such case was about a woman that lied about her 9/11 experience--I think there was a book or movie and she was exposed after many years. But this is very different than implying that there are actors coordinated with shooters/bombers. Anything is possible, but this 'Munoz' is not evidence of such.

Well, Ken, that shows ta go ya'. I absolutely think they are the same person and you don't. Did not think that was possible for a reasonable person to think that. But you do -- genuinely. So, thanks for the conversation.

EDIT: That would be quite the story if she was an attention seeker traveling around the country getting herself on TV as some witness.

Ken Garretson Wrote:

Lauren Johnson Wrote:

Ken Garretson Wrote:

Lauren Johnson Wrote:I'm open to hearing how the same person, i.e. "Munoz" can turn up and be interviewed in four different crises across the country. How about listing some of those other ways. You can't say it's not the same person.

I appreciate you telling me what I can't say :-)

Let me ask this if I may. Do you find this video to be convincing?

https://verumetinventa.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/new-world-order-exposing-crisis-actor-victoria-munoz-in-5-events/

Yup. Same person and unexplainable in other ways ASAIK. So, where is the BS?

With all due respect, if you believe those images are of the same woman, then what I have to say is just for others that may be reading.

For the most part, these images are not of the same person. The exception being the Boston (upper right of the compiled image of four individual pictures) and Watertown (lower left)--which is essentially the same place and event. They may or may not be the same person, we barely see the person on the lower left (Watertown) but the person on the upper right, 'Boston', is definitely not the Munoz pictured in the upper left.

Also, there is a presentation of a bio of Munoz, consistent with the image of the woman from Newton MA, which actually serves to corroborate that Munoz is a person living and working in that area!

The transportation secretary image is a total red herring, and the author of the page even admits that and links to videos where he debunked himself.

I know you said I couldn't say what I just said, so edit as needed. ;-) But seriously, thanks for the conversation.

There are very serious issues with Orlando that the corporate media misrepresent and ignore because they are not doing the job of a free press; they have been 'captured' by outside interests. But this focus on 'crisis actors' just weakens the greater arguments. I will add that I do believe there are attention seekers at times of crisis; people that lie about their stories for face time. The most famous such case was about a woman that lied about her 9/11 experience--I think there was a book or movie and she was exposed after many years. But this is very different than implying that there are actors coordinated with shooters/bombers. Anything is possible, but this 'Munoz' is not evidence of such.

Quote:FBI Told Orlando Shooter's Wife Not to Tell US Media He Was Gay

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• People take part in a candlelight memorial service the day after a mass shooting at the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, U.S. June 13, 2016. | Photo: Reuters
  

Published 16 June 2016

In an interview with Brazilian TV, the ex-wife of Omar Mateen claimed the U.S. agency told her to keep quiet about his homosexuality.


The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation told the former wife of the Orlando shooter Omar Mateen, Sitora Yusufiy, not to speak of his homosexuality or the fact that she, his family and others believed he was gay, Yusufiy's current fiance, Marco Dias, told a Brazilian TV channel in an interview.

Dias told the Brazilian television station SBT Brazil Tuesday that Yusufiy believed Mateen was gay and that his father called him gay several times in front of her. However, "the FBI asked her not to tell this to the American media."
Since the attack, Mateen has been dubbed an "Islamic terrorist" by politicians, senior officials and commentators in the U.S. following reports he had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group.
However, the idea that he could have been a closet-homosexual indicates that the Orlando shooting might have been a deeply felt and personal act of hate.
The FBI and law enforcement in the United States have so far been pursuing the "Islamist terrorism" angle and their alleged demand from Mateen's ex-wife to keep mum about his homosexuality suggests they want to downplay the personal and self-hating nature of the attack in favor of the Islamic terrorism-related one.

Since his attack on the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, the developing narrative surrounding Mateen's life is that of a troubled human being who had a history of domestic violence, a struggle with his sexual orientation, as well as an inclination toward a radical version of Islam.
However, in addition to recently pledging allegiance to the Islamic State group, Mateen had previously shown support for both al-Qaida and Hezbollah, who have radically different interpretations of Islam and are in fact bitter enemies.
This suggests Mateen had an extremely shallow and confused understanding of Islam as he failed to comprehend the social and political differences between the diferent groups. Hezbollah are currently fighting against the Islamic State and other radical Sunni groups in Syria.

Furthermore, Yusufiy has told the media that her ex-husband started to emotionally and physically abuse her just months into their marriage. She said he exploded in anger and often beat her while also keeping her hostage, which led her family to "literally rescue" her from the abusive relationship and Mateen's mental instability.
To add to this a former male classmate of Mateen said he had been asked out romantically by the mass shooter, who was reported to be a regular at the Pulse nightclub, having visited it more than a dozen times over the years.

Reports also suggest the attacker used several gay dating apps and communicated with several users. Kevin West, a regular at Pulse, told the Los Angeles Times he had exchanged messages with Mateen on an app.
And now, it seems the overwhelming reports and testimonies pointing to Mateen's personal motives are forcing the FBI to pursue a different angle.

On Wednesday gay dating apps Jack'd and Grindr said they had been contacted by the FBI as part of the Orlando shooting investigation. They also said they could not provide information on whether Mateen had profiles on those sites as such details are now part of a classified investigation.
A spokesman for dating app Grindr also indicated they have been contacted by authorities. In response to an inquiry from BuzzFeed News, the company announced: "We will continue to cooperate with the authorities and do not comment on ongoing investigations."

Quote:US Intelligence Officer: "Every Single Terrorist Attack in US was a False Flag Attack

by EDITOR on JUNE 14, 2016


Editor Note: This article was originally published in 2015, but it serves as a good reminder considering the recent developments in Orlando.
Apart from documents that have outlined supposed terrorist threats, like Al-Qaeda, and their connection to US intelligence agencies, like the CIA, there are a number of whistleblowers that have come out adding more fuel to the fire. Because not many are even aware of these documents, letting people know about a truth that can be hard for people to accept, let alone ponder the possibility is very important. It's just one aspect of the veil that's been blinding the masses for quite some time now.
The latest whistleblower is David Steele, a 20-year Marine Corps intelligence officer, and the second-highest-ranking civilian in the U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence. He is a former CIA clandestine services case officer, and this is what he had to say:
"Most terrorists are false flag terrorists, or are created by our own security services. In the United States, every single terrorist incident we have had has been a false flag, or has been an informant pushed on by the FBI. In fact, we now have citizens taking out restraining orders against FBI informants that are trying to incite terrorism. We've become a lunatic asylum."

What Is A "False Flag Attack?"

A great example of a false flag attack is 9/11, something that many people believe to be a creation of US intelligence agencies, or some entity above the government (one that controls what Eisenhower called "the military industrial complex"). The idea is that these so called terrorist attacks are created by this group, in order to justify the infiltration of other countries, and to justify a heightened state of "national security." As a result, in the eyes of the citizenry, war and mass murder are justified, when the intentions behind these actions are something the citizenry has no idea about. This is why we see a false sense of patriotism programmed into many people, especially in the United States. Men and women join this massive military machine with good hearts, thinking that they are serving their country and fighting terrorism, when they are doing the complete opposite. They are only participating in a fabricated war based on lies and misinformation.
"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al-Qaeda, and any informed intelligence officer knows this. But, there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an intensified entity representing the devil' only in order to drive TV watchers to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the United States." Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook

Today, we might be seeing the same thing with ISIS. Although there are no verified documents like there are when it comes to Al-Qaeda, given what that information shows us, combined with Wikileaks documents and statements from insiders, we could be looking at the same thing.
Not long ago, FBI whistleblower stated that:

"The US is reviving terror scare with ISIS to promote the terror war industry."

You can read more about that story here

Again, 9/11 is a great example and you can find out more information about that here.
Originally published May 15, 2105

David Guyatt Wrote:In view of the discussions on this event, I thought it appropriate to repost the following article from the Event Chronicle because the interviewee/whistleblower, David Steele, was a former Marine Corps intelligence officer and a CIA Clandestine Services officer and accordingly has excellent insights into covert programmes and activities. His insights on false flag operations in the US are very telling:

Quote:US Intelligence Officer: "Every Single Terrorist Attack in US was a False Flag Attack

by EDITOR on JUNE 14, 2016


Editor Note: This article was originally published in 2015, but it serves as a good reminder considering the recent developments in Orlando.
Apart from documents that have outlined supposed terrorist threats, like Al-Qaeda, and their connection to US intelligence agencies, like the CIA, there are a number of whistleblowers that have come out adding more fuel to the fire. Because not many are even aware of these documents, letting people know about a truth that can be hard for people to accept, let alone ponder the possibility is very important. It's just one aspect of the veil that's been blinding the masses for quite some time now.
The latest whistleblower is David Steele, a 20-year Marine Corps intelligence officer, and the second-highest-ranking civilian in the U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence. He is a former CIA clandestine services case officer, and this is what he had to say:
"Most terrorists are false flag terrorists, or are created by our own security services. In the United States, every single terrorist incident we have had has been a false flag, or has been an informant pushed on by the FBI. In fact, we now have citizens taking out restraining orders against FBI informants that are trying to incite terrorism. We've become a lunatic asylum."

What Is A "False Flag Attack?"

A great example of a false flag attack is 9/11, something that many people believe to be a creation of US intelligence agencies, or some entity above the government (one that controls what Eisenhower called "the military industrial complex"). The idea is that these so called terrorist attacks are created by this group, in order to justify the infiltration of other countries, and to justify a heightened state of "national security." As a result, in the eyes of the citizenry, war and mass murder are justified, when the intentions behind these actions are something the citizenry has no idea about. This is why we see a false sense of patriotism programmed into many people, especially in the United States. Men and women join this massive military machine with good hearts, thinking that they are serving their country and fighting terrorism, when they are doing the complete opposite. They are only participating in a fabricated war based on lies and misinformation.
"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al-Qaeda, and any informed intelligence officer knows this. But, there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an intensified entity representing the devil' only in order to drive TV watchers to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the United States." Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook

Today, we might be seeing the same thing with ISIS. Although there are no verified documents like there are when it comes to Al-Qaeda, given what that information shows us, combined with Wikileaks documents and statements from insiders, we could be looking at the same thing.
Not long ago, FBI whistleblower stated that:

"The US is reviving terror scare with ISIS to promote the terror war industry."

You can read more about that story here

Again, 9/11 is a great example and you can find out more information about that here.
Originally published May 15, 2105

THE TERROR FACTORY

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R.K. Locke Wrote:This is bizarre: