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Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Jan Klimkowski - 14-07-2013
Bernice - thank you for posting, and including that fascinating email from John Judge.
The sewer information is of great interest.
My eye was also drawn to the following:
Quote:The sewer shot was rarely mentioned by researchers or the public after Lane focused on the Grassy Knoll, but a few of us kept seeking the evidence. Subsequent "tell all" books by alleged participants usually repeat the standard locations, the TSBD window or the Grassy Knoll, for verisimilitude. A book published in the 1990's, long after it would have been fashionable to lie about the sewer location, titled Treason is My Daily Bread, by Mikhail Ledbedev, reveals his role in a plot involving Nazi intelligent agent Reinhard Gehlen to kill Kennedy in Dallas, and mentions that he was sent to shoot from the storm sewer. He may be covering for the real assassin in this, but by picking the sewer location he adds credibility to his account in my view. There are many other indications that Gehlen and his cold war spy network that formed our CIA were part of the JFK assassination conspiracy.
Of course Mae Brussell was a pioneer in researching Gehlen Org....
Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Bernice Moore - 23-07-2013
Hi Jan.....here is what is available from Mae Brussels information...fiw.........http://www.ctrl.org/essay2/NCTJFKA.html
from mae brussel's reader.This story was based on a new book titled, Treason for My Daily Bread by Mikhail ... Treason for My Daily Bread was published while they were supposed to be.......http://www.ctrl.org/essay2/NCTJFKA.html..........b
Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Jan Klimkowski - 23-07-2013
Bernice Moore Wrote:Hi Jan.....here is what is available from Mae Brussels information...fiw.........http://www.ctrl.org/essay2/NCTJFKA.html
from mae brussel's reader.This story was based on a new book titled, Treason for My Daily Bread by Mikhail ... Treason for My Daily Bread was published while they were supposed to be.......http://www.ctrl.org/essay2/NCTJFKA.html..........b
Bernice - many thanks.
There are several great discussions of Mae Brussell's The Nazi Connection to the Assassination somewhere on DPF, and I can't find them all.
However, for starters, here's
The Yankee and Cowboy War
Larry Flynt
Mae Brussell: Fritz Kraemer and Gladio
Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Phil Dragoo - 24-07-2013
The Weberman Nodes on steroids, mainlining Dylan's Back Pages, wrapped in Velcro, with a cat hair on the tongue just out of reach
such is the filing system, the clipping service, the almanac of Mae Brussell
from which humming machinery drone jumps
the Missing Note to the Lost Chord:
Alger Hiss said that Richard Nixon was engaged in something "beyond his scope and size."(40) Richard Nixon, like Adolph Hitler, is a patchwork quilt. Both men represent the sum total of all murders, secret plans, behind-the-scene covert imaginations that created their existence. They were hand-sewn and designed by identical masters. It was a community project between persons from Nazi Germany and the United States military and intelligence agencies.
Comes the cabal above Cold War differences of Charles and George Michael Evica, the subject L. Fletcher Prouty, the prolific Peter Dale Scott
Zappa in Brown Shoes Don't Make It wrote, "Do you love it; do you hate it: there it is, the way you made it."
And Nixon joins, in 1974, LBJ that "mastermind" who heart attacked the year before, and J. Edgar Hoover, that spider-in-his-web, who'd heart-attacked the year before that
Dulles was in Switzerland when Germans sent Lenin to dissolve the Russian pressure
"that little Kennedy. . .he thought he was a god"
Kissinger, before the footman snickers, alludes to Iran, the future ally
With Nixon in China before Helms arranged the Big Fall
Mae thought Nixon was such a problem
We were at the Nixon Counterinnaugural January 19 1969 when Rudd's red-armbanded Maoist banged the iron knocker of Justice earning a flurry of birds from the rictus-grinning shysters on the second floor
Ford brought Nelson Rockefeller and George H. W. Bush to address the "problem"
An obelisk from 2001 in the Utah expanse banks the terabytes of a fleet of drones with compound eyes
Watched over by--
I had a Woodstock, 1923 copyright, on the edge of Carson Forest
1972, and when Hoover rode the boat over
we were basking in orange sunshine
By night, amidst the hatbox symphony, the short-wave history is looped in machine gun cadence
Nixon's kind of power over other people 's lives is elusive, and vanishes rapidly at the proper moment. The human family has new weapons in the war against secrecy. Information is power. Speed of communications is power. Ability is power. Sheer numbers of intelligent and concerned citizens becomes power. Facts are power.
Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Matthew Poe - 24-07-2013
This signature gnomic dispatch of Phil Dragoo's seems especially interesting, what I wouldn't wish to have it decoded for me.
Is it me or is John Judge always agent baiting Mark Lane? (Although I consider Judge's "Black Hole of Guyana" a masterwork.) And what's this with Oliver Stone (paving over the smoking-gun)? If he wasn't on the level with JFK, he surely paid like he was.
Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Peter Lemkin - 24-07-2013
Matthew Poe Wrote:This signature gnomic dispatch of Phil Dragoo's seems especially interesting, what I wouldn't wish to have it decoded for me.
Is it me or is John Judge always agent baiting Mark Lane? (Although I consider Judge's "Black Hole of Guyana" a masterwork.) And what's this with Oliver Stone (paving over the smoking-gun)? If he wasn't on the level with JFK, he surely paid like he was.
Personally, I don't find Phil's Finnegans-Wake-esque Blues-Beat word weaving difficult to decode. It's great.
There are many questions about Lane - who seems a 'white hat' on things Dallas and a 'black hat' on Jonestown, as lawyer for Jones. This has not been disentangled nor explained. Perhaps he was set-up; perhaps his agenda is not white as snow.....we don't know. John Judge poses the questions that need to be asked.
IMO, Stone tried, but the Project was a bit over his head, and it is quite a miracle the film turned out as well as did, almost in spite of Stone - who was way behind on the learning curve when it was being done. I don't suspect Stone as venial, only somewhat naive as to the total depth of the Deep [in Deep Politics].
Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Phil Dragoo - 24-07-2013
Lane's Plausible Denial is a stunning undoing of E. Howard Hunt whose assistance was sought November 1961 by Allen Dulles on a project coming to fruition in 1963.
In his Last Word: My Indictment of CIA in the Murder of JFK he is quite defensive, almost a parody of Nixon, "I am not a Communist"
when it was William F. Buckley, woven into Kevin Ryan's Rise and Fall of the American Reichstag, who so attacked Mr. Rush to Judgment Firing Line 1966
In Barry Ernest, The Girl on the Stairs, the author describes a very personal collaboration with Harold Weisberg and the latter's break
with Robert Groden over Oliver Stone, Groden suffering the same Intimidation by Cop as Roger Craig
I wouldn't be Hasting to judge the survivors
(these days of Grace Slick, "Don't try to change people; your face will hit the [palm]")
Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Matthew Poe - 24-07-2013
Hmm... Interesting! Thanks for that. (Lane has always been a mystery to me. I love the Firing Line debate, Lane is so eloquent and highbrow--puffing his pipe--that you can't help but ask (while hoping he is): is this guy on the level?)
I will have to check out "The Girl On the Stairs."
Peter Lemkin:
I didn't say I don't think Phil's cadences are great (I do!), just over my head sometimes. But I dig a parallel in there between acid and the Torbett Document and the like that I find especially fascinating.
Stone not "venial?" If you meant to write "venal," an interesting slip. Here we're back to Lane in a sense, that where would popular consciousness of the assassinations be without these men? I guess with Lane, you can say someone else would have stepped into the breach to lead the charge.
Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Jan Klimkowski - 24-07-2013
Peter Lemkin Wrote:There are many questions about Lane - who seems a 'white hat' on things Dallas and a 'black hat' on Jonestown, as lawyer for Jones. This has not been disentangled nor explained. Perhaps he was set-up; perhaps his agenda is not white as snow.....we don't know. John Judge poses the questions that need to be asked.
Hole in one.
And a very Black Guyanese hole at that....
Peter Lemkin Wrote:IMO, Stone tried, but the Project was a bit over his head, and it is quite a miracle the film turned out as well as did, almost in spite of Stone - who was way behind on the learning curve when it was being done. I don't suspect Stone as venial, only somewhat naive as to the total depth of the Deep [in Deep Politics].
I remain firm and clear in my judgement that Stone's recent documentary series is a masterpiece. See the DPF thread here:
[URL="https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?10816-Oliver-Stone-s-quot-Untold-History-of-the-United-States-quot-Reviews-and-Discussion"]
Oliver Stone's "Untold History of the United States" -- Reviews and Discussion [/URL]
Saint Fletcher the Obscure - Phil Dragoo - 24-07-2013
I watched Platoon four times.
The Wall came down
The Vietnam War as a parallel to the Reichstag Fire was not ever addressed
Oliver Stone miscast Kevin Costner at the cost of killing rather than wounding the King
To this day he registers shock at the bared-fang hissing of his "friends"
It once was heady stuff to "Think the Unthinkable"
Now we must speak the Unspeakable
Oliver Stone, as are we all, is still mortal
Now as Samuel Barber is added to the bathos over the victims of Northwoods for The New Millenium
We ought to question all from Forrestal's fall
to the airbrushing of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s allusion to Douglass
as the price for Caroline's portfolio
We didn't go for Tonkin, we didn't go for Norman
It's not for civil rights that Syria's war clouds are formin'
It's for the multinational electronic spooky Reaper's whim
and you canna' write your bloggy blogs
if yer comin' afta him