Charles Drago Wrote:So too the skull reconstructions which "prove" that Martin Bormann died in Berlin and Josef Mengele drowned in South American waters.

Morgan Reynolds Wrote:Allan,
I like your spelling out the Fetzer conspiracy theory we might term "CIA Cover for Conein in the Crowd." That's what I meant by calling it "convoluted," so let's amend it to "Convoluted CIA Cover for Conein in the Crowd"!

The innocent "Adams Family" storyline works a lot better.

Allan Eaglesham Wrote:Let me see if I can get a handle on this deception per Professor Fetzer. The CIA found a Dallas man, Robert Adams, who resembled Lucien Conein, and to provide plausible deniability for Conein being "captured" in Altgens's famous photograph they put together a picture frame with newspaper cuttings and erroneous information about the day and date of the assassination. This was given to Mrs. Adams to hang in the hallway of the Adams residence so that if any visitor familiar with Allan Eaglesham's website, "Familiar Faces in Dealey Plaza," brought up the subject of Conein's role in the conspiracy -- perhaps over afternoon tea -- Mrs. Adams could direct the visitor to the picture frame with words such as, "Lucien Conein? Ole three-fingered Lou? Oh no! That was my husband Robert. He worked at the post office."

Morgan Reynolds Wrote:Jim,

Please cease and desist in your ad hominems and argument by intimidation. I cannot be intimidated, period. Been through it all (or nearly all). Your tactics have, if anything, a counterproductive effect on Morgan, who relishes a challenge, and likewise has an adverse effect on the appeal of your argument upon most third party observers, I suspect.

Q1: Can you or Allan please fill in my lack of knowledge about the caption? Amateurish would point to family production, not professionals of the CIA. Yes, this can be argued many ways, I just want whatever facts are available.

Q2: Can you comment on Conein's hairline in his 1962-63 photo versus the Altgen figure? Conein has too much hair in all his photos, including the 1981 interview video cited earlier, to be the Altgen figure, IMO. What say you?

Q3: Is the Dealey Plaza figure Adams? Yes, I strongly believe so but it is not a 100% "lock" like Gerald P. Hemming is. I do not have a strong suspicion about some John Q. Citizen (Frank Caplett according to Allan) volunteering to "correct" something in "error" on the internet. This is very likely perfectly innocent, though new interviews and more data likely could resolve this aspect of the dispute. A volunteer citizen stepping forward to "correct" something typically has no idea he is about to set off a brouhaha. I've been approached by earnest citizens with something to say or offer about 9/11, that is, to correct me.

Isn't the bottomline proving that CIA agents were present in Dealey Plaza? That is the real game afoot. It isn't truly, truly about whether Conein is in the Altgen photo. A resemblance is there, yes, but on close inspection the case fails, IMO. You want it to be Conein, badly it seems, and I don't care either way, it's just about getting it right.

Btw, Jack White has lowered his assessment of the odds to 55 it is Conein and 45 Adams from his previous 80-20 in favor of Conein. Hope that's OK to reveal, Jack.

James H. Fetzer Wrote:It's really not all that difficult to understand. A guy who looks like Lucien Conein did in those years was caught by accident in a famous photograph taken in Dealey Plaza. He, like other CIA assets, knew JFK was going to be bumped off and wanted to be there. It's a bit sick, but assassination was their specialization.

To create a distraction, they introduced a guy who looked somewhat like Conein and fabricated a "plaque" to commemorate his having been included in a photo taken during the assassination. The "plaque" even describes his being there on the wrong day (Thursday) and the wrong date (23 November). Absurd!

As though this were not transparently ridiculous enough, then induce one Allen Eaglesham to splash the notice that "The man identified as Conein is not Conein", for which he has no justification. Jack has confirmed the resemblance is far greater to Conein than it is to Adams, who is simply cast as the stooge.

Ad hominems involved discrediting a message by attacking the messenger. In my opinion, this is a transparent rear-guard action to try to conceal the presence of a big-time CIA assassin in Dealey Plaza. Morgan can believe anything he likes, but it disappoints me that he would fall for this incredible drivel.

It's not I who is indulging in them anyway. How does Morgan propose to explain this phony "plaque"? What does it mean to him that SOMEONE was going to the time and trouble to fabricate a fake plaque? And if Conein wanted to change his appearance to be less like it was in 1963, would that be difficult to do?

Allan Eaglesham Wrote:Let me see if I can get a handle on this deception per Professor Fetzer. The CIA found a Dallas man, Robert Adams, who resembled Lucien Conein, and to provide plausible deniability for Conein being "captured" in Altgens's famous photograph they put together a picture frame with newspaper cuttings and erroneous information about the day and date of the assassination. This was given to Mrs. Adams to hang in the hallway of the Adams residence so that if any visitor familiar with Allan Eaglesham's website, "Familiar Faces in Dealey Plaza," brought up the subject of Conein's role in the conspiracy -- perhaps over afternoon tea -- Mrs. Adams could direct the visitor to the picture frame with words such as, "Lucien Conein? Ole three-fingered Lou? Oh no! That was my husband Robert. He worked at the post office."