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The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 18-05-2014 Imagine that. Bliar's letter to Georgie-porgie backing his Iraq war goes missing. But I love this statement from Cameron on the inquiry by Privy Councillors which shows just how much of a joke it really is. Quote:But Mr Cameron has now effectively told Sir Jeremy to reach a compromise under which a sensible' proportion of the correspondence is released. Someone quickly define "sensible" please! "I'm with you whatever" you decide the definition is... ::laughingdog:: Quote: The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 18-05-2014 If only they took care of their criminal leaders and ex leaders as well as they take care of their correspondence.... The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Peter Presland - 18-05-2014 David Guyatt Wrote:Imagine that. Bliar's letter to Georgie-porgie backing his Iraq war goes missing. Together with the trivial proportion of the population who vest these things with critical importance, I confess to a certain schadenfreude at the squirmings of those charged with publicly protecting Bush-Blair and thus the cabal(s) that own(s) them - clownish acolytes on well-worn Faustian paths to hell via 'successful political careers' eh? - and oblivious to the contempt in which they are held by those with their eyes open. Cameron really is an exemplar too - sickeningly absurd in his faux-earnest moralizing , with Haig, Clegg, Osborne, Gove and a few others tripping merrily in his wake. The truly depressing thing for me though, is that most haven't the time or attention-span to give a toss. I therefore propose a new anthem - a variation on that old Queen Classic - "We are the Sheeple - my friend; and we'll wear our blindfolds to the end" - or something like that. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 09-06-2014 The Chilcot row highlights Blair's Iraq legacy: accusations of manipulation, secrets and lies[TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD="align: left"][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [/TR] [/TABLE] It may not be remembered, amid the latest charges of whitewash levelled at Chilcot, that the original plan was to hold the inquiry into the Iraq war in secret. That, it was claimed at the time, was the deal that Gordon Brown, then Prime Minister, had done with Tony Blair. It was the military who fired the first major salvo against this: speaking to The Independent, General Sir Mike Jackson, who was the head of the British Army at the time of the Iraq invasion, stressed that any evidence, apart from the most security sensitive, should not be given in private. He himself would have no problem giving his testimony in public and indeed, he added, there was no reason why witnesses should not be under oath. Sir Mike was backed in his call by Major General Julian Thompson, the Commandant General Royal Marines and Air Marshal Sir John Walker, the former head of Defence Intelligence and deputy chairman of the Join Intelligence Committee and senior officers who had served in Iraq, such as Major General Tim Cross. Sir John recalled the advice which has been sought from him by members of the Defence Intelligence service unhappy at the "sexing up" of intelligence carried out by Downing Street in the "dodgy dossier" on Saddam Hussein's supposed weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). Gordon Brown caved in as criticism mounted at the attempt at secrecy, to the chagrin, we were told, of Mr Blair. The opposition had made repeated calls for transparency, with William Hague and Nick Clegg among the most vocal. However, now that Sir John Chilcot appears to have capitulated to demands from the Cabinet Office over the correspondence between Mr Blair and George W Bush, we have yet to hear much from the Foreign Secretary or Deputy Prime Minister, part of whose job is to oversee the Cabinet Office. Mr Clegg has called for the report to be published soon, with its shabby compromise of publishing just the "gist" of the letters, rather than the full content. Tony Blair has been busy saying that this is nothing to do with him, but entirely a matter between Chilcot and the Cabinet Office. He is as keen as the next man, he says, to have the report published. This is disingenuous, as Sir John Major has pointed out, Mr Blair can at any time give the Cabinet Office permission for his correspondence to be released. General Jackson was the head of the British Army at the time of the Iraq invasion (Justin Sutcliffe) The Americans, it has been said, would object to the publication of presidential communications. It is in the interest of Mr Blair and his supporters to promote this, but it is not up to Washington to decide on what this British inquiry should or should not reveal. There is also the inference that the correspondence shows how Mr Bush had dragged a hesitant Mr Blair into the venture. In reality, the British were anything but bashful over this affair they were more than ready to propagate bogus "intelligence" on WMDs. A lot of it came from Ahmed Chalabi, a conman and exiled Iraqi politician, who was based in London at the time. The "dodgy dossier", let us not forget, was the project of Downing Street, not the White House. Once the dossier was produced, any questioning of it was met with fierce "rapid rebuttal". When it appeared, in September 2002, I was among a small group of British journalists in Baghdad who arranged with the Iraqi regime to visit some of the sites named as production centres for chemical and biological weapons. We chose the sites ourselves, picking those that, according to the dossier, were the most prolific for producing WMD agents; we gave the Iraqi authorities notice of two hours before the trip began. We reported that we had seen nothing suspicious, but stressing the caveat that we were not scientists or weapons experts, and ours was, thus, a superficial impression. But that was enough for Downing Street officials to declare we were "naive dupes" and our newspapers were irresponsible for printing Saddam's propaganda. We now know of course, through the work of UN inspectors and the Iraq Survey Group, that those sites were not being used for chemical or biological weapons production. Later, I sat through every day of the inquiry by Lord Hutton. His report was disappointing possibly because he was constrained by the terms of reference, which restricted his inquiry into the death of the scientist Dr David Kelly. In spite of this, the inquiry's brilliant counsel, James Dingemans QC, laid bare how the dossier was manufactured at the behest of No 10. The review of the intelligence on weapons of mass destruction by Lord Butler of Brockwell, with Sir John Chilcot one of his team, took place in camera. It shed some more light without having the dramatic impact of what unfolded during Hutton. We were told later, by a senior politician, that had we asked the former Cabinet Secretary at the press conference following the publication of his report whether Mr Blair should resign as Prime Minister, he would have responded "yes". But, we did not know and no one asked. Will the Chilcot report, when it does eventually come out, have any truly explosive revelations? We wait to find out if that is the case, although that is probably unlikely; most of the subterfuge behind the invasion has been exposed on both sides of the Atlantic. What the latest controversy does do, however, is yet again highlight the recurring theme which is Mr Blair's Iraq legacy accusations of manipulation, secrets and lies. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-chilcot-row-highlights-blairs-iraq-legacy-accusations-of-manipulation-secrets-and-lies-9475091.html The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 09-06-2014 Shortly after Blair eft office, the BBC aired a drama that centred on behind the scenes moves to makes Blair stand trial for war crimes at the Hague. Pity it hasn't happened. Meanwhile, it is interesting that it was all the military men who stepped forward to make Chilcott public. Mmmm. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 09-06-2014 David Guyatt Wrote:Shortly after Blair eft office, the BBC aired a drama that centred on behind the scenes moves to makes Blair stand trial for war crimes at the Hague. Pity it hasn't happened. I think I saw that when it screened on TV here a few years ago. I haven't seen it since and I didn't get to see all of it but it did look riveting. I remember a scene of the Bliar character talking to himself in the mirror justifying it all to himself. David Guyatt Wrote:Meanwhile, it is interesting that it was all the military men who stepped forward to make Chilcott public. Mmmm.Yes, indeed. Not everyone appreciates being used as a political pawn in a game of life and death. The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 27-06-2014 The cynic might argue that delaying the report until the run up to the election is not gong to hurt Cameron and the Conservative Party, but it might well hurt the inconsequential Ed Milliband and the Labour Tory Party. Whatever happens, Blair won't come out of it at all well, but he will still remain one of the protected ones. He could've ended up in front of a war crimes trial at the Hague (in my dreams anyway). As I suggested in the thread caption, it was always going to be a circus performance and it has turned out to be just that. Quote:Chilcot report into 2003 Iraq conflict delayed further The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - David Guyatt - 20-07-2014 He (Chilcott) "wants the inquiry to publish the maximum possible without destroying our relationship with the US" --- nudge, nudge, wink, wink... Quote:Chilcot inquiry: Blair and Straw to get warning letters ahead of publication of report into 2003 invasion of Iraq The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Magda Hassan - 20-07-2014 David Guyatt Wrote:He (Chilcott) "wants the inquiry to publish the maximum possible without destroying our relationship with the US" --- nudge, nudge, wink, wink... He wants to publish just enough to make not seem like a complete whitewash. Whoops too late for that! The Iraq Inquiry - Chilcott's Circus Clowns Come to Town - Peter Lemkin - 20-12-2014 Chilcot Inquiry into Iraq War Sends Shockwaves through WhitehallBy FRANCIS ELLIOTT AND MICHAEL SAVAGE / The Times December 19th, 2014 FRANCIS ELLIOTT AND MICHAEL SAVAGE THE TIMES, DECEMBER 18, 2014 DRAFTS of the official inquiry into the Iraq war have sent shockwaves through the British bureaucracy, with key players fighting to tone down or even delete the criticism.Extracts from the much-*delayed report by John Chilcot, which in some cases run to hundreds of pages, have been sent in recent weeks to those criticised for their conduct, to give them a chance to respond before the *report is published."The lawyers are getting called in all over the shop," one source said. "It's much more punchy than people thought it was going to be." There is said to be particular consternation among former military personnel who were involved in the planning and operation of the Iraq invasion in March 2003. A minister admitted that lawyers had become heavily involved in the final stages of the official inquiry, set up in 2009. "The inquiry does have to consult those whom it will criticise and allow them to provide a defence," Lord Wallace of Saltaire, a government whip, said. He acknowledged that the wrangling could delay final publication until after the general election in May. "We are all *anxious that if it is not published by the end of February, it would be inappropriate to publish it during the campaign," he said. Lord Wallace said the final timing was dependent on those criticised in the report and "I am afraid to say … on their lawyers". One of those who is expected to be criticised said that it was Sir John who was to blame for the delay. In a progress report on its findings two years ago, the inquiry head said one of the academics on the panel, Martin Gilbert, had suffered a serious illness. The historian, who had a stroke, did not return to the inquiry subsequently.A lengthy dispute with the US over the publication of communications between Tony Blair and George W. Bush was finally resolved only after an agreement brokered by Jeremy Heywood, the cabinet secretary. It is not yet clear how much material will be made public, but Lord Wallace said the Chilcot report would publish "notes from more than 200 cabinet meetings … including some extracts from cabinet minutes". David Cameron said in May he hoped the report would be published this year. The Times http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/british-inquiry-into-iraq-war-sends-shockwaves-through-whitehall/story-fnb64oi6-1227159888110 |