Drew Phipps Wrote:Would you agree with the proposition that the assassination of JFK was a deep political event? And the government charged Oswald as the lone nut? Does that make it true?

Quote:"You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you
reach all the power centers. . . until the conditions are ripe, they (the followers) must continue like
this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer
everywhere. . . . You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power. . . . Until that
time, any step taken would be too earlylike breaking an egg without waiting the full 40 days for
it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside."

Quote:All attacks on the city of Aleppo, in northern Syria, including air strikes, must be stopped immediately, the Turkish Foreign Minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, said on Monday.

"All attacks on Aleppo, including air strikes, must be discontinued immediately. Turkey's support for the Syrian people will be continued," the Anadolu news agency quoted the words of Cavusoglu.

The statement was made during the meeting between Mevlut Cavusoglu and the General Coordinator of the High Negotiations Committee (the main opposition bloc in Syria), Riad Hijab.
It seems that the resetting of relations between Russia and Turkey has ended before it could properly begin.

David Guyatt Wrote:

Drew Phipps Wrote:Would you agree with the proposition that the assassination of JFK was a deep political event? And the government charged Oswald as the lone nut? Does that make it true?

You will know that I repeatedly say that I am far from an expert on JFK, which is why I largely stay away from that folder and that subject. But yes, almost every aspect of the JFK assassination was deeply political, including the assassination itself, the reason and motives for it, and the need to frame and then kill Oswald and present him as the lone nut in order to cloak and protect those actually guilty of the coup d'etat.

Drew Phipps Wrote:

David Guyatt Wrote:

Drew Phipps Wrote:Would you agree with the proposition that the assassination of JFK was a deep political event? And the government charged Oswald as the lone nut? Does that make it true?

You will know that I repeatedly say that I am far from an expert on JFK, which is why I largely stay away from that folder and that subject. But yes, almost every aspect of the JFK assassination was deeply political, including the assassination itself, the reason and motives for it, and the need to frame and then kill Oswald and present him as the lone nut in order to cloak and protect those actually guilty of the coup d'etat.

Similarly, in this case, I think we have 88 (or 99, or 130, or 60,000...) patsies. And the case against them will be based on lies, innuendo, and supposition. Let's hope they survive.

Quote:Who is General Campbell and how he prepared the Turkish coup

Former commander of the International security assistance force (ISAF), carrying out NATO-led operations in Afghanistan, General John F. Campbell is a key figure behind the coup attempt in Turkey, according to the authors of an independent investigation of Turkish newspaper "Yeni Åžafak."

According to their sources, he was responsible for the coordinating and directing the soldiers who participated in the events on July 15-16, that is actually for the organization of the coup. Campbell led the preparations in Turkey for eight and a half months. Under his direction originally was a group of about 80 CIA agents, who through a Terrorist organization of Fethullah Gulen (FETÖ) embedded subversive groups into the army and urged the military leadership of Turkey to support the coup.

American General held regular secret meetings at Turkish military bases - Erzurum and Incirlik, military sources believe that he was solely in charge of promotion and discharge of officers on these bases. Followers of Gulen faster advanced in their career, received higher salaries and had other benefits. The archives of gulenists have been discovered during searches at Incirlik which contained extensive files on each member of agent network and members of their families.

After the failed coup Cahit Bakır and Şener Topçu were arrested at Dubai airport by Turkish generals . Both met Campbell in Afghanistan, where they led a Turkish contingent of NATO forces. According to some Turkish military, in Afghanistan Americans actively worked with the military, converting them into gulenists. Dissenters and patriots were quickly physically eliminated, under convenient circumstances. Today the former associates of Campbell are testifying, one after the other exposing the chains of the network by which the CIA has literally entangled Turkey with their direct participation.

U.S. has provided at least $2 billion for all the expenses. The funds coming via African banks were distributed by Campbell. In exchange for help the putschists promised to allow the United States to open a new military base on the Turkish-Syrian border, equipped with the latest technology. Also among the agreements was increasing the economic and military pressure on Russia, which would seriously change the balance of power in the region.

However, Washington did not plan to endow the junta with full power. Campbell prepared a loyal and faithful regime on a short leash of U.S. intelligence. In case of excessive independence of the rebels there was a "Syrian plan", which included further spread of instability up to plunging Turkey into chaos on the model of Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq and Syria.

United States had employed the same scheme since Osama bin Laden, who said in his interview from 1993, entitled "Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace":

"The Egyptian press claims he brought hundreds of former Arab militants to Sudan from Afghanistan, and the word in Western embassies in Khartoum is that some of the 'Afghans' who came with the Saudi businessman, are now busy preparing for future Jihad in Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt. Mr. Bin Laden is well aware of the rumors. "This is a journalist-embassy nonsense," - he says. - I am a civil engineer and an expert on agriculture. If I had training camps here, I would not be able to work on my project."

As if there were no 23 years with all the bloody conflict and a monstrous orgy of terror, as if everyone forgot how the US funded those or other "warriors, leading their armies to peace" throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Fethullah Gülen is now giving such interviews and press conferences from his refuge in the United States. Despite official requests of Turkish authorities, American government will not disturb the terrorist preacher, and his books, agents of influence and entire sectarian schools for "Khezmet" movement gradually spread across the world, despite the restrictions.

Where is General Campbell, who with his accomplices was planning in cold-blood the massacre on the streets of Ankara and Istanbul (and is also responsible for the cruelty, with which an angry crowd dealt with coup soldiers), and in case of failure, was ready to drown Turkey in bloody strife? The American hero without fear and reproach, will only face a reprimand for the failure of the operation and has stepped into the shade. Perhaps to train new human resources and to craft new intelligence networks for another military coup.

Quote: D8 News has verified that Turkish daily Yeni Şafak attempted to cover up after publishing a falsified video which frames Beyaz Show audience members as PKK supporters using doctored audio samples. The fake news video, published by Yeni Şafak at or around 5:10 PM Turkish time on Saturday, 16 January (2016), consisted of a clip purportedly from Beyaz Show, where a group of studio audience members chant slogans in support of Abdullah Öcalan, leader of outlawed Kurdish separatist group PKK. In fact, the chants were in support of Ayşe Çelik, a caller who dialled into the show a week earlier to highlight the human cost of violence in the country's war-torn southeast regions.

Drew Phipps Wrote:Be careful who you trust:

Quote: D8 News has verified that Turkish daily Yeni Şafak attempted to cover up after publishing a falsified video which frames Beyaz Show audience members as PKK supporters using doctored audio samples. The fake news video, published by Yeni Şafak at or around 5:10 PM Turkish time on Saturday, 16 January (2016), consisted of a clip purportedly from Beyaz Show, where a group of studio audience members chant slogans in support of Abdullah Öcalan, leader of outlawed Kurdish separatist group PKK. In fact, the chants were in support of Ayşe Çelik, a caller who dialled into the show a week earlier to highlight the human cost of violence in the country's war-torn southeast regions.

https://d8news.com/yeni-safak-coverup-following-doctors-beyaz-show-video-225


Here's a Fort-Russ article blaming the Turks for the Sinai shootdown (as well as the SU-24), accuses Turkey of funding Crimean terrorists, and Erdogan of attempting to restore the Ottoman Empire.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/Communist-University/JLxJC4TA6lo