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At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - Helen Reyes - 17-12-2009 John Bevilaqua Wrote:And since no one wants to guess where Teddy Kennedy was when Neal Armstrong stepped on the moon, I will give you a little hint. He was busy double dipping, taking a little swim and soaking wet and shivering at the exact same time. He was supposed to be dead, but he woke up just in time to save his own life. Nazi Rocket Scientists triumph in THEIR Moon Landing Program, NOT JFK's and Teddy Kennedy drowns off Martha's Vineyard were supposed to be the headlines if the Nazis had any say in it. Teddy was in the front seat and Mary Jo was in the back seat. Hmmmm..... Both unconscious and comatose, but only Teddy woke up. Well, you asked about the day after the moon landing, when Jo was being buried at Plymouth Church in Pennsylvania. You didn't understand my post. A log named Jo. Like the "cans" Hitler left on the Polish-German frontier. At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - John Bevilaqua - 17-12-2009 . Jan Klimkowski Wrote:John Bevilaqua Wrote:Stashinsksy had the perfect weapon and the perfect M.O. His victims looked like they had suffered cardiac arrest with no blood, no evidence and no witnesses. H. L. Hunt also became enamored with this Stashinsky Gun which was a zip gun which exploded Potassium Cyanide in the face of its victims. John Bevilaqua Wrote:No. But apparently that is not a necessary prerequisite in order to be to be able to figure out this entire continuous spectrum of conundrums involving over 60 years of Kamikaze dive bomber training and Stashinsky Gun craziness or is it? Neither necessary nor sufficient as they say. What can you share with us about your experiences in that area? Dying to learn something new here. Cause I never said that I knew everything about anything. <grin> Fer shure. So please fire away. Russell thought I might have been brainwashed somewhere because I knew so much about various aspects of the results, but not the process. And he actually asked me if I was his Toronto informant about Willoughby from the King Edward Sheraton Hotel which just totally blew me away. It was shortly after we walked into a multi-regional Chinese restaurant on Boylston Street. I guess I should have been impressed or something, but I was just incredulous and still do not know what to make of it. Now I hear that Gary Buell is spreading the same little story as if he discovered it or convinced Dick Russell of those allegations. Who knows? No one ever seems to get anything exactly right about me, so why even bother? At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - Jan Klimkowski - 17-12-2009 Here's a starter for 10. http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=23#post23 At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - Helen Reyes - 17-12-2009 john, would you agree that the kellogg book review you posted contradicts an earlier source you posted regarding british manoevres against the whites in the baltic republics? kellogg says british played favorites with one white faction, the earlier source said they favored the bolsheviks. also, "baltic germans" really means prussians, there were too few estonian, latvian, lithuanian germans to really matter (leaving aside memel/klaipeda and all those french-english-german-lithuanian intrigues, we can just count it as part of historical east prussia; and intentionally forgetting that germany proper and the danzig corridor border the baltic sea aka ostsee). east prussians, a la prusskova. and isn't prussic acid aka zyklon b the same thing as potassium cyanide? I need a refresher course in chemistry maybe, but i'm sure someone here knows. rosenberg was an odd one, more russian than german, and actually jewish according to just about everyone who looked his genealogy up. judenforschung ohne juden, yeah right. At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - John Bevilaqua - 17-12-2009 Helen Reyes Wrote:john, would you agree that the kellogg book review you posted contradicts an earlier source you posted regarding british manoevres against the whites in the baltic republics? kellogg says british played favorites with one white faction, the earlier source said they favored the bolsheviks. also, "baltic germans" really means prussians, there were too few estonian, latvian, lithuanian germans to really matter (leaving aside memel/klaipeda and all those french-english-german-lithuanian intrigues, we can just count it as part of historical east prussia; and intentionally forgetting that germany proper and the danzig corridor border the baltic sea aka ostsee). east prussians, a la prusskova. and isn't prussic acid aka zyklon b the same thing as potassium cyanide? I need a refresher course in chemistry maybe, but i'm sure someone here knows. rosenberg was an odd one, more russian than german, and actually jewish according to just about everyone who looked his genealogy up. judenforschung ohne juden, yeah right. You know just because I post something does not mean that I have a complete understanding of the contents, its implications, where it fits into the History of the World Part II and the level or lack thereof, of its alleged complete and pristine veracity. Like I said I am just a computer jock with a nice little historical work in progress, trying to make all the pieces fit into some sort of logically comprehensive work which will survive me. A history buff or a history expert I am NOT. I am just someone who has been thrust against my will, I might add by a stroke of geographical proximity, right into the middle of the JFK conundrum and morass since about the age of 16 and in my spare time, I chip away at it, slowly but surely. I don't know Baltic or Schmaltic from Slapstick, or Flapjacks from Slapshot, apparently since I just put George de Mohrenschildt as the Nobel's petroleum geologist in Baku instead of his father and his uncle. But you point seems to be well taken though it has no direct bearing on my studies right now as far as I can tell. If it does, please educate me. Kellogg just confirms what I have always felt... that Anastase Vonsiatsky was in close touch with some of the major White emigre Nazis and the originators of the philosophy of Nazism who were behind the rise to power of Hitler, from Rosenberg, to Erich von Ludendorff, to Boris Brasol, to even include Dietrich Eckart himself. Yes Rosenberg was considered a Russian by birth I believe and Jewish, too. And Vonsiatsky was put in touch with their American counterparts as well as perhaps the main contact point between these US based and European based emigres. Vonsiatsky was their White Knight on a White Horse and their only hope to defeat the Bolsheviks and he had a 50 year plan to make that all happen from maybe the mid 1920's until the mid-1970's. He was about 12 years late, but what the heck he died before it all happened. Gag him with a spoon. And you are right about ZyklonB and Potassium Cyanide (KCn) in the Stashinsky Gun. I did NOT KNOW THAT! Wow! He used it in 1957 and 1959 on both Lev Rebet and on Stephan Bandera, too. Boy were the White Russians ripped about all that. Even Pat Walsh and Ron Gostick wrote memorial pieces about Bandera from OUN/B and they discussed Andriij "Andros" Melnyk of OUN/M at the Winnipeg Airport Incident, too. At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - Jan Klimkowski - 17-12-2009 The threads linked below, especially the Russbacher exchanges, may have some tangential relevance for aspects of this thread - especially since dear old Gunther claimed to be of Gehlen aristocratic stock: http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1965 http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2199&highlight=russbacher At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - John Bevilaqua - 17-12-2009 Helen Reyes Wrote:John Bevilaqua Wrote:And since no one wants to guess where Teddy Kennedy was when Neal Armstrong stepped on the moon, I will give you a little hint. He was busy double dipping, taking a little swim and soaking wet and shivering at the exact same time. He was supposed to be dead, but he woke up just in time to save his own life. Nazi Rocket Scientists triumph in THEIR Moon Landing Program, NOT JFK's and Teddy Kennedy drowns off Martha's Vineyard were supposed to be the headlines if the Nazis had any say in it. Teddy was in the front seat and Mary Jo was in the back seat. Hmmmm..... Both unconscious and comatose, but only Teddy woke up. Well the Front Page headlines was what I was looking for on 07/21/1969 and that was Moon Landing top story, Teddy in the drink on Page 1 upper left corner right under the Moon Walk headlines. I even asked you who the heck was (Jo)e! I don't know Latin, even Pig Latin or your form of anagams and acronyms. Make it easy for us peanut gallery types just like Shakespeare did. And why did the Nazi Rocket Scientists choose 7/20/69 for the date of the Moon Walk? For the same reason that von Stauffenberg chose 7/20/44 to snuff Hitler and for the same reason that Hitler "conceived" the Waffen SS on 7/20/1933 Why did they choose Apo11o 11 at 11 pm? Give up? Wave the White Flag? Surrender? Turn Tail? At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - John Bevilaqua - 18-12-2009 I personally discovered this long lost article in the NY Times from 1977, hand typed it into a word processor and sent it around the Globe via eMail in the 1994-1995 period right after publication of The Bell Curve in 1994. Wickliffe P. Draper has since been referenced in over a hundred books, dozens of TV and Radio specials, dozens of newspaper and magazine articles and on tens of thousands of internet postings. And this is one of my proudest legacies. And the world would never be the same regarding the knowledge of Wickliffe P. Draper, Harvard Class of 1913, The Pioneer Fund and his now confirmed and documented roles in the FDR coup attempt and in the JFK Assassination. And as much as he hated "Wops and Polacks", he was tracked down, tried, excoriated, disemboweled and convicted by someone with a first generation Hungarian, Italian and Polish heritage. Matter of fact I am the only known individual who was both a true 1940's Baby Boomer and a first generation American who was granted admission to Harvard College, or perhaps any Ivy League College for that matter and then graduated. The Pioneer Fund as promulgators of fascism Editor's hyperbolic diatribe: The Pioneer Fund was the primary financial sponsor of Proposition 187 on the California ballot. They have an extended legacy of sponsoring similar legislation over the past 57 years of their existence. The agenda that they are attempting to advance is one of fascism, repression and racism. Linkage of their past goals and ideals to their present visions for the future of America can go a long way toward stopping them in their tracks. Note: The comments contained in braces [ ] are those of the editor. Some typographical errors in the original article have been corrected for ease of comprehension. THE NEW YORK TIMES - Sunday, December 11, 1977 Fund Backs Controversial Study of "Racial Betterment" How many goals of Hitler's Third Reich are mentioned in this article? by Grace Lichtenstein A private trust fund based in New York has for more than 20 years supported highly controversial research by a dozen scientists who believe that blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites. The Pioneer Fund, a tax-exempt foundation incorporated in 1937 for the express purpose of research into "racial betterment," was worth more than $2 million, according to its 1975 Internal Revenue Service return. Yet several officers of the leading geneticists profession- al organization say they never heard of it. A month-long study of the Pioneer Fund's activities by The New York Times shows it has given at least $179,000 over the last 10 years to Dr. William B. Shockley, a leading proponent of the theory that whites are inher- ently more intelligent than blacks. The money was paid through Stanford University, where professor Shockley was a Nobel Prize-winning professor of engineering science, as well as through his own personal foundation - a customary method of foundation disbursement. Another major beneficiary is Dr. Arthur R. Jensen, an educational psychologist at the University of California, whose article in 1969 theorizing that intelligence was hereditary touched off a furor over the value of compensatory education for disadvantaged black students. Some Others Who Got Grants Dr. Travis Osborn of the University of Georgia, Dr. Frank C. J. McGurk and Dr. Audrey Shuey are other well-known researchers in the same area who got Pioneer grants. Two researchers known to few specialists in the genetics field, Dr. Roger Pearson and Dr. Ralph Scott, also got substantial grants, which they declined to discuss. Neither man is a geneticist. Theories of racial inferiority pursued by Pioneer's staff of researchers have been widely discredited in recent years. Some data developed by Cyril Burt, a British scientist, which had underpinned the theory, are now alleged by leading geneticists to be without scientific value. In addition, at least one major association of professional geneticists has publicly decried the use of what it regards as questionable material on heredity and race to buttress political positions. However, Burke Judd, former secretary of the Genetics Society of America, and Hope Punnett, secretary of the American Society of Human Genetics, said that in principle they were in favor of any legitimate genetics research, even when it encompasses what some feel is an extreme point of view. "If you really believe in open research you've got to let these people do their 'research' and then let the rest of us question it," said Dr. Punnett. She said she did not take either Dr. Jensen or Dr. Shockley "too seriously" because she did not think they had developed good scientific information to support their theories. Some Are Embarrassed Other colleges that have accepted Pioneer grants for "eugenics and heredity" include the University of California at Berkeley, University of Georgia, University of Southern Mississippi, Randolph-Macon College, Montana College of Mineral Science and Technology and the University of Northern Iowa. High officials of the last two schools said hey now were embarrassed by the grants. They asked to remain anonymous, on the ground that criticism by them would suggest interference with academic freedom. It is not known whether Pioneer financed research in fields other than heredity and eugenics. Spokesmen at all the schools who knew about the grants said they did not know the Pioneer Fun had been chartered for research into "racial betterment." Nor did those scientists who The Times was able to reach who would answer questions. A spokesman for the University of California at Berkeley said its records showed no Pioneer Fund grants to Dr. Jensen, although it did accept a Pioneer grant for a political science professor. Dr. Jensen confirmed that some of his grants came through the university. In each case the university, or another foundation, was named as recipient of the grants, although the actual work was done by a specific professor in residence. This is common practice in grant-giving everywhere. However, in at least one school, Northern Iowa, the professor, Dr. Ralph Scott, used some of the money not only for research but for anti-busing, anti-school integration seminars in such off-campus places as Louisville, (KY) and Boston (MA), according to the school's grants administrator. Question of Tax Exemption "This might put the fund's tax-exempt status in jeopardy," an Internal Revenue Service spokesman said when asked about general rules applying to funds such as Pioneer. Under Federal law, such funds remain tax-exempt as long as "no substantial part of the activity" is "carrying on propaganda or otherwise attempting to influence legislation." "You're in a very sticky area," the I.R.S. spokesman replied when asked about the definition of propaganda. Pioneer Fund is currently in a tax- exempt category applying to groups exclusively charitable, religious, testing and educational. Although it has been a major "banker" in the financing of research on race and genetics, Pioneer's chief executive will not talk to reporters. Nor will some of the scientists who take its money acknowledge their connection with Pioneer. The president of Pioneer Fund is Harry F. Weyher [pronounced like "wire"], a lawyer whose office at 299 Park Avenue also is the fund's office. Questioned by telephone about Pioneer, Mr. Weyher said, "It's a client." Then he added, "I'm not going to talk to you any more," and hung up. Mr. Weyher, several directors and the fund's founder have had long-standing connections with conservative causes or political candidates, although no one has suggested that the conservatives in question shared their interest in eugenics and heredity research. The founder, Wickliffe [Preston] Draper, a 1913 graduate of Harvard who died in 1972, was the reclusive heir to a Massachusetts textile-machinery fortune, according to published accounts. Two Committees Supported In the 1950's and 1960's Mr. Draper supported two now-defunct committees that gave grants for genetics research. Mr. Weyher was his lawyer. The committee members included Representative Francis E. Walter, chairman of the House Un-American Activities Committee [HUAC]; Henry E. Garrett, an educator known for his belief in the genetic inferiority of blacks, and Senator James O. Eastland of Mississippi. When it was disclosed in 1960 that Richard Arens, staff director for the Un-American Activities Committee, was also a paid consultant to the Draper- financed committees, Mr. Arens was forced to leave his Congressional job. In 1960 published reports quoted some leading American geneticists as saying they had turned down requests from Mr. Draper to do research into theories of racial inferiority among blacks. Mr. Weyher, in a newspaper interview at the time, said Mr. Draper had already sponsored a book on restricting immigration and another on the intelligence of blacks by Dr. Shuey, a retired professor at Randolph- Macon Woman's College. Mr. Draper also gave money to right wing political candidates, including the late Representative Donald Bruce [Republican] of Indiana, and the late Representative Walter, as well as to conservative lobbying organiza- tions such as the American Coalition of Patriotic Societies. When Mr. Draper died his estate turned over $1.4 million to the Pioneer Fund. Among two men listed as directors of Pioneer in 1975, the most recent year for which Internal Revenue Service records are available, is John B. Trevor, [Jr.] of New York, [whose father was] a founder of the American Coalition of Patriotic Societies, adviser to Billy James Hargis' Christian Crusade and author of an article on South Africa that appeared in The Citizen, the publication of the White Citizens' Councils. Testifying against more liberal immigration laws in 1965, Mr. Trevor warned against "a conglomeration of racial and ethnic elements" that he said led to "a serious culture decline." The other Pioneer director [in 1975] is Thomas F. Ellis of Raleigh, N.C., manager of [Senator] Jesse Helm's 1972 campaign for Senator and an impor- tant backer of Ronald Reagan's 1976 Presidential campaign. Pioneer-sponsored research in eugenics, a movement devoted to improving the human species through control of hereditary factors in mating, and dysgenics the study of trends in population leading to the deterioration of hered- itary , is a subject of much dispute in the genetics field. An 'Inescapable Opinion' Dr. Shockley, co-inventor of the transistor, has for years been collecting material on eugenics and dysgenics research. He said in a telephone inter- view a few days ago from his home in Palo Alto, Calif., that he had reached "the inescapable opinion that a major cause of American Negroes' intellectual and social deficits is hereditary and racially genetic in origin." This, he continued, "is not remediable to a major degree by practical improvements in environment," such as better schools, jobs or living con- ditions. He said he was "very grateful" for Pioneer's grants. A spokesman for Stan- ford said that $179,000 over 10 years to Dr. Shockley from Pioneer sounded correct, although the school did not have an exact dollar figure. The views of Dr. Shockley and Dr. Jensen and their supporters, have come under attack recently from, among other sources, the Genetics Society of America, a leading professional organization. In July 1976 it published a statement of its committee on genetics, race and intelligence that was endorsed by nearly 1,400 members. "In our views there is no convincing evidence as to whether there is or is not an appreciable genetic difference in intelligence between races," it said. "Well designed research... may yield valid and socially useful results and should not be discouraged. We feel that geneticists can and must also speak out against the misuse of genetics for political purposes and the drawing of social conclusions from inadequate data." Genetics and Busing When informed about Dr. Scott's activities on busing at Northern Iowa, Professor Judd said it sounded contrary to normal academic practices for an educational, tax-exempt foundation to finance genetics research linked to the school-busing controversy. "But I don't have enough information," he added. According to Northern Iowa officials, Dr. Scott is studying "forced busing and its relationship to genetic aspects of educability." In this context he sent a graduate student to Mississippi and held seminars on busing, according to sources at the university. Dr. Scott, a professor of education, refused to comment on his research and to say whether its results had been published anywhere. Roger Pearson, a British-educated economist who has been the beneficiary of two Pioneer grants for work while he was dean at Montana Tech, also refused to talk about his research. Such nonresponses are unusual in the field of academic research openly sponsored by tax-exempt foundations. Standford, for example, has a policy stating that "findings and conclusions" of research supported by outside grants "should be available for scrutiny and criticism. Dr. Pearson, who served for the 1974-1975 academic year as dean at Montana Tech before leaving by mutual consent in a disagreement over educational goals, got $60,000 from Pioneer while he was there. Montana Tech officials said they had no idea that he apparently was the same man who some years ago edited Western Destiny, a journal with many pro-South Africa, anti-Communist and anti-racial mixing articles and who wrote a number of pamphlets for the conservative-oriented Noontide Press such as "Eugenics and Race" and "Early Civilizations of the Nordic Race."
Draper's vitriolic hatred for President John F. Kennedy was epitomized by his direct financial sponsorship of several publications that led the character assassination attacks on him during the 1950's when he was a Senator from Massachusetts. These included Human Events, Right magazine, Noontide Press, The American Mercury and comparable rightist publications ostensibly owned and operated by The Liberty Lobby or affiliates, the foremost racist, proto-fascist and anti-Semitic organization that has ever existed in a Democracy. Only a Democracy could be brought to its knees by the sinister forces of fascism, operating under the protection of the First Amendment to the Constitution. This is a very sad commentary on our times and on the foibles of our once magnificent system of egalitarian democracy. The Draper attacks and assaults on President Kennedy intensified even more during the 1960's when he was President and culminated in the final character assassination in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963. The Draper family, in 1967 became the largest shareholder in Rockwell-Standard, which later became Rockwell International, one of the two largest defense contractors in the entire universe along with the Lockheed Corp. of Marietta, GA which is championed by Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA). Rockwell bought out the failing Draper Corporation, a manufacturer of textile loom machinery and equipment just before the acceleration of military activity in Vietnam and shortly before the Draper Corporation was liquidated by Rockwell as a bankrupt concern in the late 1970's. Rockets, missiles and warplanes are apparently a much easier place to make money than in the arena of textile loom equipment and textile machinery. Neither Kennedy's opposition to the Cost Plus Fixed Fee method of compensating defense contractors nor the CIA's opposition to the National Intelligence Estimates of March 22, 1963 called NIE 11-4-63 stood in the way of the plans for the future of this country as defined and designed by those in the Draper- Rockwell coalition which reached its culmination during their merger. Draper's fascist-inspired vitriolic hatred of Communism and anything liberal led to his support of McCarthyism and the activities of HUAC, the House Un-American Activities Committee for over a decade. In the spirit of Dr. Josef Goebbels, he and his close associate at The Pioneer Fund, Dr. Harry H. Laughlin, actually created and then championed the "involuntary sterilization movement in America" the so-called "Buck vs. Bell" Supreme Court case which was favorably reviewed by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. It led directly to the involuntary sterilization of over 75,000 human beings between 1924 and 1972 in the approximately 24 states which passed similar laws at the behest and encouragement of The Pioneer Fund. Sound familiar? But the first major achievement of his work and that of Herr Laughlin, was when Hitler and Goebbels invited Laughlin to receive an honorary degree for his work in passing "The Model Eugenics Laws in America". Hitler used the Draper-inspired American Eugenics Model to pass the law which will go down in infamy as the Nuremberg Laws: "On the Prevention of Hereditarily Ill Progeny" - the so-called Holocaust Laws. Are you beginning to get the picture here? Are you willing to put your actions and money where your realistic concerns are? The last time that Immigration laws were severely tightened was the 1924 Immigration Act which was accomplished, in my opinion, in direct anticipa- tion of the coming unrest in Europe during the 1930's and 1940's. These laws kept may legitimate refugees, all targeted for elimination by the Third Reich, from ever reaching a safe haven in the United States. The precisely identical intentions are at work today with this renewed emphasis on "Proposition 187", which is intended to become "The Model Anti-Immigration Legislation in America" and for the rest of the world. When a Rwanda or Zaire-style deliberately initiated crisis occurs in Bosnia-Herzegovina or elsewhere in the world, the intention of the sponsors of "Proposition 187" is to prevent those refugees targeted for "ethnic extinction" from ever reaching a safe haven in American or anywhere else in the free world for that matter. This is a very real and serious concern and every American who recognizes the true intentions of Proposition 187 should oppose it with their last breath and their last ounce of strength before it is too late. Critiques and comments are solicited to our email address: pioneer@ids.com Additional research assistance from anyone with experience in either manual or computer assisted research techniques is desperately needed as well. It would involve primarily digging into old newspaper archives which have been put on microfilm like the NY Times and The Washington Post as well as research into other manuscripts and generally available published literature in most major university or large city public libraries. At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - Helen Reyes - 18-12-2009 John Bevilaqua Wrote:I don't know Baltic or Schmaltic from Slapstick, or Flapjacks from Slapshot, apparently since I just put George de Mohrenschildt as the Nobel's petroleum geologist in Baku instead of his father and his uncle. But you point seems to be well taken though it has no direct bearing on my studies right now as far as I can tell. If it does, please educate me. ... It's just a matter of historical milieu (sp?): the Germans left in the Russian Empire's "Northwest Territories" (the Baltic states) either skidaddled to East Prussia or became Russians of German origin, retaining some sort of nobility most likely, but not always. Livonia and Courland, roughly Latvia and Estonia, would have more German nobles than Lithuania, which had very few, although I think it might touch upon your thesis to learn that during Wilson's "Springtime of Nations" when the ethnic Lithuanian rump state was declaring independence (with some German backing), one idea was to recreate the monarchy (which had had a total of one king once upon a time, murdered; after that it was all Grand Dukes, mostly in cooperation with Poland) and the only pretender I've ever heard of was a German who would have assumed the name of Mindaugas II. On contradictions in your sources, I didn't mean that your theory was wrong because some of the sources are contradictory. I was just wondering if you noticed those contradictions. On Jo, I didn't see you asking who Jo(e) was, sorry, it got buried somewhere. On Latin, pig and otherwise: non sum dignus, as any good Catholic or Wayne's World fan knows, means "I'm not worthy!" arrectis auribus means with ears perked up, i.e., listening. Judenforschung ohne juden is German and means Jewish Studies without Jews. I believe Prussic acid aka Zyklon (=Cyclone) B is what makes Prussian blue blue on the artist's pallet. East Prussia of course was a Crusader state that began Catholic. In a bout of geopolitical revenge the Allies wiped it from the map after the war. About half of it, the southern half, is Polish territory now, and the northern half is Kaliningrad, where Putin's wife comes from. A little bit juts into Lithuania, Klaipeda/Memel-land. Immanuel Kant comes from East Prussia. The German crusaders conquered native Baltic tribes, namely the Old Prussians, related to Lithuanians and Latvians linguistically. They set up large feudal estates where the natives were little more than slaves, serfs if they were lucky. The extermination was almost complete by the end of the 17th century, and there's a lot of German crying-in-one's-beer about the lost races, a lot like modern American sentiments regarding Native Americans. It would be interesting to trace the origin of Indian reserves and Hitler's death camps to East Prussia, but not sure if the evidence supports it fully. The Lithuanians had this pagan kingdom, essentially, but no recognition in Christian Europe, and couldn't stop the harrassment by the German crusaders, so they got smart and asked the Pope for a crown and converted to Catholicism. The German crusader organization the Livonian Order (I believe) held up the first crown shipped via Riga, but eventually this Mindaugas character got the hat from the pope and after a while the East Prussian crusader state turned inward, with no more pagan Lithuanians to conquer, and set up universities and bureaucracies and stuff. Somewhere along the way they turned Protestant like most Germans in Germany. Prussia, Austria and Russia were the main players in the partitions of Poland-Lithuania, old habits die hard I suppose. Napoleon created a rump Polish state in Warsaw during his campaign eastward with some concessions from Catherine the Great. Polish patriots played a major role in the American Revolution and in shaping the American Constitution. I think I read somewhere Thomas Jefferson had a copy of Tadeusz Kosciuszko's (or was it Poniatowski's?) May 3rd Constitution on his bookshelf. Tad was a miltiary engineer and did a lot of stuff with George Washington. I think they still have a statue of him in Central Park. So anyway, the royalists' fight with the republicans spilled over into the Americas, and threatened to come back to Europe like a boomerang, to really mix up a metaphor. John, you are aware of the tongue-in-cheek TsOG theory of Robert Anton Wilson, right? It's hard to say when Wilson's joking, it's all straight-faced, but he makes the case for the Tsarist-Occupied Government of the United States. Anyway, I'm away for a week or so. Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas! At last: Shickshinny Knights of Malta linked to the Draper/Vonsiatsky Condon ManCand crowds - Magda Hassan - 18-12-2009 Helen Reyes Wrote:Fascinating stuff there Helen. Have a great time during your break and we will welcome you back :dancing:real soon!John Bevilaqua Wrote:I don't know Baltic or Schmaltic from Slapstick, or Flapjacks from Slapshot, apparently since I just put George de Mohrenschildt as the Nobel's petroleum geologist in Baku instead of his father and his uncle. But you point seems to be well taken though it has no direct bearing on my studies right now as far as I can tell. If it does, please educate me. ... |