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Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Magda Hassan - 02-05-2012 MI6 death verdict: 'No unlawful killing' says coroner The police investigation into Mr Williams' death lasted 21 monthsContinue reading the main story Related StoriesThe coroner heading the inquest into the death of MI6 officer Gareth Williams says she cannot consider an unlawful killing verdict.With her decision due later, Fiona Wilcox said a narrative verdict was most appropriate as an open verdict would not do justice to the case.The body of the 31-year-old code-breaker from Anglesey was found locked in a bag in his London flat in 2010.Westminster Coroner's Court heard experts could not agree on how he died.A narrative verdict has been an option for coroners in England and Wales since 2004 and is where the circumstances of a death are recorded without attributing the cause to a named individual.Evidence 'reliability'Three pathologists who conducted post-mortem examinations on Mr Williams have been unable to reach a firm conclusion on cause of death.But they say poisoning and asphyxiation are the foremost contenders.The coroner is expected to deliver her verdict within hours.BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw tweeted she said she would comment on the "reliability and robustness of evidence".It was disclosed at the inquest on Tuesday that police were only made aware this week that MI6 had withheld computer memory sticks and a North Face bag, similar to the one he was discovered in, found in his office.Det Ch Insp Jackie Sebire, who is leading the investigation, told the court that the secret services also searched his "electronic media" without informing police.Scotland Yard's Det Con Colin Hall, of the counter-terror SO15 branch, was questioned about his search of Mr Williams' MI6 office on 26 August 2010, saying he did not seize computer memory sticks because he was told they contained material "of a sensitive nature".'Dark arts'Ms Sebire has said Scotland Yard will review lines of inquiry in its investigation in the wake of the inquest.Pathologists have told the court Mr Williams would have suffocated within three minutes if he was alive when he got inside the red 81cm x 48cm North Face bag, at his flat in Pimlico, west London.Meanwhile, bag experts have said even Harry Houdini would have struggled to lock himself in the bag.Mr Williams' family has told the inquest they believe he may have been killed by an agent "specialising in the dark arts of the secret services". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17922388 Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Magda Hassan - 02-05-2012 I was thinking about this the other day. Was the body even meant to be found? Or was the body going to be removed in the bag he was found in and Gareth just 'disappear' to start his new life elsewhere? I remember his female childhood friend saying some thing about him getting a new identity (as part of his work presumably). The flat had been 'dry cleaned'. Maybe nothing was meant to be found but some thing went wrong and they had to leave the bag and never got a chance to return for it at a later stage? Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Albert Doyle - 02-05-2012 Governments assume their intel services have a legal license to kill so therefore an open verdict of "no unlawful killing" gets them off the hook. However that doesn't mean they themselves aren't lawless murdering rogues. Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Lauren Johnson - 02-05-2012 Magda Hassan Wrote:MI6 death verdict: 'No unlawful killing' says coroner Well, she would, wouldn't she? Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Jan Klimkowski - 02-05-2012 Well, well, well. If one accepts that the Coroner was heavily constrained by the System in terms of what she could say, and by rules of evidence in terms of what could be proven or not, her ruling is - to my mind - a strong condemnation of the MI6 coverup. The Coroner ruled that he death was "criminally mediated", on the balance of probability, Williams was "unlawfully killed", and added "We are extremely disappointed at the reluctance and failure of MI6 to make available relevant information." Further, Coroner Wilcox dismissed the bondage/tranvestism/S&M autoasphyxiation angle. Wilcox appeared to rule out that Williams died as a result of some kind of "auto-erotic activity", also denying there was any evidence to suggest claustrophilia the love of enclosed spaces was of any interest to him. She also dismissed the idea an interest in bondage had any link to his death. If it had, she would have expected "much more internet activity" on the web. Williams had only visited sites on four days, she said. He was a "scrupulous risk assessor" and would have had a knife to escape. Rejecting speculation that he was a "transvestite" spy, Wilcox said leaks that William was a "cross-dresser" could have been an attempt "by some third party to manipulate a section of the evidence". Makeup found in his flat was more likely to reflect his interest in fashion, she argued. Wigs found there were "far more consistent with dress-up such as attendance at a manga conference", she added. Just as astonishingly, the supposedly tame Scotland Yard plod, DCI Jackie Sebire, effectively committed career suicide, saying: "We have heard seven days worth of evidence of the life and death of Gareth this week. I have always been satisfied that a third party may have been involved in his death and the coroner has confirmed that." The investigation would refocus and actively pursue all the evidence heard and all the new lines of inquiry. William's body was found "in the most suspicious circumstances", Sabire said. "It is highly likely that a third party was involved and I urge anyone who knows Gareth who had contact with him to search their consciences and come foward with any information about what happened that night, the 16th August 2010. The coverup has not held. Quote:Gareth Williams's death was 'criminally mediated', says coroner Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Danny Jarman - 02-05-2012 So what comes next? Hard to believe everyone is just going to move on... Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Peter Lemkin - 03-05-2012 Danny Jarman Wrote:So what comes next? The 'State', especially the Secret Deep State [everywhere] reserves the 'right' to murder one [or at times a few hundred thousand] and lie about the reasons for doing so - even that it happened on their watch or by their express direction, and was not just an 'accident' [or done by false-flag agencies]. A list of such deaths of individuals would fill a book of a thousand pages, one entry per line.......sadly. These PR exercises in 'Inquiries / Investigations / Commissions / Etc.] are window dressing [and/or smoke and mirrors] in the Potemkin Village; and more often than not just an act on the part of those running them, as well as those falsely testifying in them [by omission or commission]. Of course, they usually avoid calling in those who would really know - or fail to ask those they do the real hard questions - on purpose [or more often on orders]. The Secrets stay Secret....the secret murders stay unsolved. The machinery of Deep Political machinations grinds on....... Move along and go watch some junk TV. Sheeple! Be glad it wasn't you they 'eliminated'. :wirlitzer:
Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Lauren Johnson - 03-05-2012 Peter Lemkin Wrote:rrDanny Jarman Wrote:So what comes next?Move along and go watch some junk TV. 'Peter', Hah, I am taking your advice. Watching the Matrix Reloaded and a baseball game. It's works great. Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Jan Klimkowski - 03-05-2012 Anybody wondering why an MI6 spy with Gareth Williams' skillset would end up murdered in the bath of his safehouse, with his corpse entombed in a sports holdall for day after sorry day, should consider the case of Sibel Edmonds. Then they may chooose to reflect that Williams probably operated at a higher level of national security clearance than Edmonds, and certainly, as a mathematical prodigy, was a more gifted signals analyst. Finally, one could ask, hypothetically of course, whether if Williams had uncovered crimes of the magnitude identified by Edmonds quite who the most likely murderers are? Police find body in bag at MI6 man's London flat - Peter Lemkin - 03-05-2012 Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Anybody wondering why an MI6 spy with Gareth Williams' skillset would end up murdered in the bath of his safehouse, with his corpse entombed in a sports holdall for day after sorry day, should consider the case of Sibel Edmonds. Jan, I'd think there are two likely possibilities of equal likelihood, at this stage of so little real information and so much disinformation. 1] As you rightly say, he might have been aware of some damning information and about to blow the whistle [or 'they' were afraid he might at sometime blow the whistle, for some reason]. 2] He was working on some Project, and while not fully aware of the 'sensitivity' of this material to those who ordered his murder should it became known to others or the Public [or the Project simply continued], he was eliminated in order to stop the Program and/or do 'delete' what he knew from within it - in data or in techniques. I guess in typing this I thought of a third.....to send a message of deadly warning to those he was working with and his seniors - stop that line of inquiry, or else!! One wonders how his co-workers have reacted?....for similar could well happen to any of them, as well. It remains to be seen if the agents of death were internal [UK], affiliated [US] or other [many possibilities here]. Whatever he was 'on to' [wittingly or not] must have been VERY sensitive to someone or some government [or intelligence agency of]......certainly Williams did nothing 'wrong' or illegal - or that warranted his death. He was only working as instructed, most likely....and either within this work came across the delicate info, or was curious at something within his 'view' after 'cracking'....that was his undoing. It reminds me of Olsen, Kelly, Oswald, Nagell, DeMohrensheld, M.P. Meyers - and SO many [thousands] others who 'knew too much' to be 'allowed' to live. Deep Political wet jobs are all too common, and the height of evil. They must be exposed and stopped...as must those who direct them. |