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Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - David Sellers - 05-01-2011
LBJ would much rather have his progressive enemy Sen. Ralph Yarborough in the death limo than Jackie, who he was trying to space out of a misplaced sense of "honor" (which, of course LBJ had none). -- Robert Morrow
I find this fact very interesting, but everyone will have to decide for themselves if this was why they wanted Senator Yarborough to ride with JFK or not.
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In 1964, Yarborough again won the primary without a runoff and went on to general election victory with 56.2 percent in LBJ's 1964 Democratic landslide. His Republican Party (GOP) opponent was future president George H. W. Bush who attacked Yarborough as a left-wing demagogue and for his vote in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Yarborough denounced Bush as an extremist to the right of that year's GOP nominee for president Barry M. Goldwater and as a rich easterner and a carpetbagger trying to buy a Senate seat. It has since been learned that then Governor Connally was covertly aiding Bush instead of party nominee Yarborough against President Johnson's wishes by teaching the techniques of split ticket voting. In that same election, Connally easily defeated Bush's ticket-mate, Jack Crichton, a Dallas oil and natural gas industrialist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Yarborough
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Also there is this:
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As the Republican candidate who had done well in the losing cause against LBJ and Ralph Yarborough, Bush had good "name recognition" and rather easily won the House seat in a contest with Houston's Democratic district attorney, Frank Briscoe - who made the mistake of calling his opponent a carpetbagger in a district full of carpetbaggers.
http://www.enotalone.com/article/6739.html
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And this quote from the "George Bus - The Unauthorized Biography":
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Bush's unsuccessful attempt in 1964 to unseat Texas Democratic Senator Ralph Yarborough is a matter of fundamental interest to anyone seeking to probe the wellsprings of Bush's actual political thinking. In a society which knows nothing of its own recent history, the events of a quarter century ago might be classed as remote and irrelevant. But as we review the profile of the Bush Senate campaign of 1964, what we see coming alive is the characteristic mentality that rules the Oval Office today. The main traits are all there: the overriding obession with the race issue, exemplified in Bush's bitter rejection of the civil rights bill before the Congress during those months; the genocidal bluster in foreign affairs, with proposals for nuclear bombardment of Vietnam, an invasion of Cuba, and a rejection of negotiations for the return of the Panama Canal; the autonomic reflex for union-busting expressed in the rhetoric of "right to work"; the paean to free enterprise at the expense of farmers and the disadvantaged, with all of this packaged in a slick, demagogic television and advertising effort.
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/chapter-9-bush-challenges-yarborough-for-the-senate/
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Could the reason they wanted Yarborough in the limo be that they knew George Bush was going to run against him for his seat in 1964?
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Robert Morrow - 05-01-2011
There are 2 versions of the George Smathers' quote about "Johnson wants Jackie to ride with him;" one where Smathers mentions LBJ telling Kennedy that he wants to ride with JFK or Jackie; and another were Smathers says LBJ was lobbying to only ride with Jackie on the Texas trip. In either case, LBJ is making weird and bizzarre requests. The bottom line, and significantly, LBJ was lobbying to get Jackie placed in his car and out of the kill zone.
George Smathers retold his story and changed it slightly in two different documentaries. The version that Phil Nelson uses in his book is the "Johnson wants Jackie to ride with him" version.
See p. 362 of LBJ: Mastermind of JFK's Assassination" - George Smathers relaying John Kennedy talking about Lyndon lobbying him before the Texas trip:
JFK: "Gee, I really hate to go to Texas; I gotta go to Texas next week and its just a pain in the rear end and I just don't want to go, I wish I could get out of it."
GS: 'I said, well what's the problem?'
JFK: "Well, you know how Lyndon is, Johnson wants Jackie to ride with him, and all these fights were going on.... I hate to go into all that mess and I hate to go and I wish I could think of a way to get out of it."
That source is from a "Johnson wants Jackie to ride with him" video on YouTube that has since been removed. It is not from the PBS documentary. Smathers was wearing different clothes in the 2 different documentaries.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - David Guyatt - 05-01-2011
Robert Morrow Wrote:Another great book is Defrauding America by the legendary whistleblower Rodney Stich:
There is a passage in there that fits very nice with the Noel Twymann thesis of multuple groups of LBJ/CIA/FBI military ganging up on Lyndon Johnson. I HIGHLY encourage folks to get this book and read about what former CIA Pegasus agents Trenton Parker and Chip Tatum have to say:
For the record, I knew Chip Tatum quite well and debriefed him daily over many months while he was in prison - via his wife Nancy - and this continued after he was released and then more sporadically up until he "disappeared".
Chip made no such claims about the Pegasus unit being responsible for the JFK hit, although we spoke of many things over the months. On the contrary, he said that the Pegasus unit was secretly initiated by JFK to keep a check on the CIA. True? I really don't know, as my focus was on other matters (and because I've never had an interest in the JFK field) - but I always found him to be fairly straight-forward - for a ground spook that is.
I still have a very large file of our exchanges which, I would think, goes into thousands of pages, plus many documents he sent me - but it is all in storage now and not easy for me to access these days.
I cannot comment on Trenton Parker, who I know of but have never spoken to.
I know Rod Stich also - although haven't heard from him in years.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Robert Morrow - 05-01-2011
David Guyatt Wrote:For the record, I knew Chip Tatum quite well and debriefed him daily over many months while he was in prison - via his wife Nancy - and this continued after he was released and then more sporadically up until he "disappeared".
Chip made no such claims about the Pegasus unit being responsible for the JFK hit, although we spoke of many things over the months. On the contrary, he said that the Pegasus unit was secretly initiated by JFK to keep a check on the CIA. True? I really don't know, as my focus was on other matters (and because I've never had an interest in the JFK field) - but I always found him to be fairly straight-forward - for a ground spook that is.
I still have a very large file of our exchanges which, I would think, goes into thousands of pages, plus many documents he sent me - but it is all in storage now and not easy for me to access these days.
I cannot comment on Trenton Parker, who I know of but have never spoken to.
I know Rod Stich also - although haven't heard from him in years.
The story of Chip Tatum is extremely important. In fact I think it is some of the most important "deep politics" stuff that has come out in 20 years. Chip Tatum is extremely credible, in my personal opinion.
I really wish you would put all of your Chip Tatum correspondence online. It is a goldmine. The credibility of Chip Tatum and the existence of the Pegasus unit run by the elites (for their own personal counter-intelligence and assassinations; think of it as an executive assassinations arm for elite, international highest levels political mafia - think George Herbert Walker Bush, Henry Kissinger); the credibility of Chip Tatum is one reason my ears perked up when I read what Trenton Parker was telling Rodney Stich. Former Pegasus Trenton Parker in 1993 told Rodney Stich that there were AT LEAST 5 key players in the JFK assassination: Lyndon Johnson, Nelson Rockefeller (CIA), Allen Dulles (CIA), George Herbert Walker Bush (family friend of Dulles, CIA), and J. Edgar Hoover.
I think this stuff is dynamite and based on the behavior of all 5 of those men, a very real possibility.
Add to the fact that if you fast forward 20 years, people like George Herbert Walker Bush and Rockefeller acolyte Henry Kissinger are pretty much running Pegasus in the 1980's and assassinating many people, all over the world.
I did not say Pegasus assassinated JFK; my point is the same people who Trenton Parker names as murdering JFK are the same ones running Pegasus 20 years later in the 1980's: George Herbert Walker Bush and Henry Kissinger (consider him an agent of the Rockefellers).
The account of George Herbert Walker Bush using Pegasus assassins to terrify Ross Perot in 1992 greatly parallels Lyndon Johnson's use of the CIA to murder John Kennedy in 1963. Both men - Bush in 1992 and Johnson in 1963 - faced political and personal destruction over threats of exposure. For Johnson it was the Bobby Baker scandal that Robert Kennedy was about to politically execute Johnson with; for Bush it was the fact that a billionaire Ross Perot, who knew all about the Bush/Clinton/CIA drug smuggling of the 1980's, could self fund his campaign and was not compromised like a Bill Clinton was.
So the story of Chip Tatum in the 1980's gives credibility to what fellow CIA Pegasus agent Trenton Parker was saying ... and both men give us insight into elite politics and the JFK assassination.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - David Guyatt - 05-01-2011
It would only give "credibility" to Trenton Parker if Chip had anything to say that confirmed Parker's comments, no?
In the same way that two different players on a soccer team confirm the same experience.
But Chip didn't confirm Parker's statements.
That is, and would be, my default setting in any similar situation.
And I see nothing different in a Pegasus unit being run for the elites - anymore than the CIA per se acting on their behalf. This is the world in which we live. Intelligence types from all over the world work for the powers that be - that often does not include the person holding the elected office, but the others who use them as "managers".
It's just a matter of identifying who they are, I think.
Clearly the Bush family are facilitators and not elite movers and shakers; nor was Dulles (for a dollar he'd suck nazi cock and tell you it was an act of patriotism) and, of course, J. Edna Hoover who, as we know was owned lock, stock, frocks and lipstick by a certain mafia boss.
It can come as no surprise that any of them may have been involved, they all drew paychecks, but this doesn't get us closer to identifying the puppet-master/s.
But as I say, I have no great knowledge of, or interest in, JFK.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Robert Morrow - 05-01-2011
David Guyatt Wrote:It would only give "credibility" to Trenton Parker if Chip had anything to say that confirmed Parker's comments, no?
In the same way that two different players on a soccer team confirm the same experience.
But Chip didn't confirm Parker's statements.
That is, and would be, my default setting in any similar situation.
And I see nothing different in a Pegasus unit being run for the elites - anymore than the CIA per se acting on their behalf. This is the world in which we live. Intelligence types from all over the world work for the powers that be - that often does not include the person holding the elected office, but the others who use them as "managers".
It's just a matter of identifying who they are, I think.
Clearly the Bush family are facilitators and not elite movers and shakers; nor was Dulles (for a dollar he'd suck nazi cock and tell you it was an act of patriotism) and, of course, J. Edna Hoover who, as we know was owned lock, stock, frocks and lipstick by a certain mafia boss.
It can come as no surprise that any of them may have been involved, they all drew paychecks, but this doesn't get us closer to identifying the puppet-master/s.
But as I say, I have no great knowledge of, or interest in, JFK.
Chip Tatum did not confirm Trenton Parker. But when he did was really get me to STAND UP AND PAY ATTENTION TO TRENTON PARKER. Meaning, let's listen to and investigate Trenton Parker's account and see if it is true. From early indications, I think there is a lot of truth in what Trenton Parker is saying.
The existence of Pegasus is extremely important. It is a window on how the elite players of deep politics actually operate. And apparently, they have been operating this way for decades.
So the question I have, if George Herbert Walker Bush is not a player ... then WHO is? Please name some names.. Do you mean folks like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, George Soros?
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - David Guyatt - 05-01-2011
How have you gone about investigating Parker's account?
Just interested.
I prefer to recline personally, but you have fun standing up.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Robert Morrow - 05-01-2011
Do I think Nelson Rockefeller, along with Lyndon Johnson, was deeply involved in the JFK assassination? Damn straight I do. And one reason is the information below. The Rockefellers and the CFR wanted the Vietnam War; John Kennedy did not. The elite players who murdered John Kennedy were doing it for different reasons, both personal and ideological. LBJ's reason for participation was more out of fear of exposure, being politically and personally annihilated by the Kennedys - an event that was imminent in late November, 1963.
Rockefeller and the CIA had OTHER reasons - ideological and I am sure personal as well:
Nelson Rockefeller tells JFK to use TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS
against North Vietnam in 1961!
[James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable, pp. 321-322]
"John Kennedy was turning. The key to understanding Kennedy's presidency, his assassination, and our survival as a species through the Cuban Missile Crisis is that Kennedy was turning towards peace. The signs of his turning are the seeds of his assassination.
Marcus Ruskin worked in the Kennedy Administration as an assistant to National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy. Not long after the Bay of Pigs, Raskin witnessed an incident in the Oval Office that tipped him off to Kennedy's deep aversion to the use of nuclear weapons.
During the president's meeting with a delegation of governors, New York governor Nelson Rockefeller, expressing his irritation at the guerilla tactics of the Viet Cong, said "Why don't we use tactical nuclear weapons against them?"
Raskin, watching Kennedy closely, was in a position to see what happened next. The president's hand began to shake uncontrollably.
JFK said simply, "You know we're not going to do that."
But it was the sudden shaking hand that alerted Raskin to Kennedy's profound uneasiness with nuclear weapons, a mark of conscience that would later turn into a commitment to disarmament"
[James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable, pp. 321-322]
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Charles Drago - 05-01-2011
Robert Morrow Wrote:The account of George Herbert Walker Bush using Pegasus assassins to terrify Ross Perot in 1992 greatly parallels Lyndon Johnson's use of the CIA to murder John Kennedy in 1963. Both men - Bush in 1992 and Johnson in 1963 - faced political and personal destruction over threats of exposure.
Emphasis added to the idiotic original.
There is not a SCINTILLA of evidence to support the claim that Lyndon Johnson had the power to "use ... the CIA" to do anything related to the murder of JFK. And no amount of off-handed, matter-of-fact claims to the contrary will be endured.
Everything that serious students have learned about deep political structures and operations tell us that Johnson was nothing more than the true Sponsors' tool -- a compromised, enfeebled, wholly controlled tool who, thanks to the uninformed, immature "analyses" of Morrow and other real and de facto disinformationalists, once again is emerging as a FALSE Sponsor of the assassination.
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy -- and that is precisely what Morrow and his ilk are accomplishing -- will not go unredressed on my watch.
Nelson's LBJ Mastermind book - Alan Dale - 05-01-2011
Robert Morrow Wrote:One more thing, John Kennedy was an out of control sex freak - just like other important men who lead double lives - and he did a lot of crazy things with women.
The people (LBJ, CIA, military, Hoover) who murdered him used that as a one justification for their actions...
That's a very ugly and useless characterization.
I've consulted the Rules of our hosts on this forum. Looks like there's not much else I might want to say that's permitted.
I do have an observation which I hope is not in violation of our civil guidelines:
President Kennedy could control neither the enemies who conspired to kill him nor the quality of his health. Your crude characterizations of his personal life are inaccurate and impolite, and do nothing to further your argument that Lyndon Johnson was the diabolical mastermind of the mother of all conspiracies in which he involved most of the people who were not assassinated in Dealey Plaza on Nov. 22, 1963.
If you have so little respect for President Kennedy's life, why do you concern yourself with the circumstances of his death?