Cliff Varnell Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:

Cliff Varnell Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:Hilary has said she is prepared to compromise on abortion. No sure thing there.

Hillary said she was thinking of appointing a pro-life Supreme Court Justice?::

Citation please!

Hilary and I said nothing about appointing a pro-life Supreme Court Justice. I said she has stated she is prepared to compromise on abortion. What form that may take is any one's guess.
http://modernliberals.com/major-problem-hillary-saying-shed-compromise-abortion-reason-barack-obama/

Late term abortion, Magda.

Yes, she's willing to compromise on late term abortion, not abortion rights per se.

Quote:HILLARY CLINTON: My husband vetoed a very restrictive legislation on late-term abortions and he vetoed it at an event in the White House where we invited a lot of women who had faced this very difficult decision, that ought to be made based on their own conscience, their family, their faith, in consultation with doctors. Those stories left a searing impression on me. Women who think their pregnancy is going well and then wake up and find some really terrible problem. Women whose life is threatened if they carry their child to term, and women who are told by doctors that the child they're carrying will not survive.

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

Context is everything.

Magda Hassan Wrote:

Cliff Varnell Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:

Cliff Varnell Wrote:Hillary said she was thinking of appointing a pro-life Supreme Court Justice?::

Citation please!

Hilary and I said nothing about appointing a pro-life Supreme Court Justice. I said she has stated she is prepared to compromise on abortion. What form that may take is any one's guess.
http://modernliberals.com/major-problem-hillary-saying-shed-compromise-abortion-reason-barack-obama/

Late term abortion, Magda.

Yes, she's willing to compromise on late term abortion, not abortion rights per se.

Quote:HILLARY CLINTON: My husband vetoed a very restrictive legislation on late-term abortions and he vetoed it at an event in the White House where we invited a lot of women who had faced this very difficult decision, that ought to be made based on their own conscience, their family, their faith, in consultation with doctors. Those stories left a searing impression on me. Women who think their pregnancy is going well and then wake up and find some really terrible problem. Women whose life is threatened if they carry their child to term, and women who are told by doctors that the child they're carrying will not survive.

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

Context is everything.

She is still prepared to throw women under the bus for her own political ambitions wheat ever they might be at any time. Abortion is a medical issue. Should not be left to Hilary or any one else. She cannot be trusted.

Quote:Americans Frown on Second- and Third-Trimester Abortions
Much of the reason for Americans' ambivalence about abortion is evident in their views toward the legality of the procedure during each trimester of pregnancy. This also happens to be the framework used in the Roe v. Wade decision, which says that the interests of the mother are paramount in first trimester, but that the state has an interest in protecting the fetus in "the stage subsequent to viability," or the third trimester.


A solid majority of Americans (61%) believe abortion should generally be legal in the first three months of pregnancy, while 31% disagree. However support drops off sharply, to 27%, for second-trimester abortions, and further still, to 14%, for third-trimester abortions. Gallup has found this pattern each time it has asked this question since 1996, indicating that Americans attach much greater value to the fetus as it approaches viability, starting in the second trimester.

Cliff Varnell Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:

Cliff Varnell Wrote:

Magda Hassan Wrote:Hilary and I said nothing about appointing a pro-life Supreme Court Justice. I said she has stated she is prepared to compromise on abortion. What form that may take is any one's guess.
http://modernliberals.com/major-problem-hillary-saying-shed-compromise-abortion-reason-barack-obama/

Late term abortion, Magda.

Yes, she's willing to compromise on late term abortion, not abortion rights per se.





Context is everything.

She is still prepared to throw women under the bus for her own political ambitions wheat ever they might be at any time. Abortion is a medical issue. Should not be left to Hilary or any one else. She cannot be trusted.

How does making late term abortion legal when the health of the mother is at risk constitute "throwing women under the bus"?

Allowing any kind of late term abortion is not popular in the USA. 41 states have restricted it.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160058/majority-americans-support-roe-wade-decision.aspx

Quote:Americans Frown on Second- and Third-Trimester Abortions
Much of the reason for Americans' ambivalence about abortion is evident in their views toward the legality of the procedure during each trimester of pregnancy. This also happens to be the framework used in the Roe v. Wade decision, which says that the interests of the mother are paramount in first trimester, but that the state has an interest in protecting the fetus in "the stage subsequent to viability," or the third trimester.


A solid majority of Americans (61%) believe abortion should generally be legal in the first three months of pregnancy, while 31% disagree. However support drops off sharply, to 27%, for second-trimester abortions, and further still, to 14%, for third-trimester abortions. Gallup has found this pattern each time it has asked this question since 1996, indicating that Americans attach much greater value to the fetus as it approaches viability, starting in the second trimester.

Do you understand how many restrictions on abortion women face in this country?

If Trump wins and names two Justices -- the Supreme Court will make all forms of abortion illegal.

And there's a lot more than abortion rights riding on this election.

Voting rights, gay rights, immigration rights, criminal justice rights, privacy rights, equal access to health care and quality education.

Looks to me like you Brits take for granted these rights you enjoy -- but we Yanks constantly have to fight for those rights.

Cliff Varnell Wrote:And there's a lot more than abortion rights riding on this election.

Voting rights, gay rights, immigration rights, criminal justice rights, privacy rights, equal access to health care and quality education.

Drew Phipps Wrote:I disagree somewhat. There is more at stake than merely a medical decision of the mother. There is an unborn person who has not yet developed the ability to advocate for his or her own existence. It is presumed by advocacy groups that the unborn wish to have a chance to exist, which is not entirely unreasonable. The unborn need to have a place at the table too, with the doctor and the mother (and presumably the father). However, I cannot say that the State is best suited to perform that advocacy.


What I find most hypocritical is that it is (many times) the same people fighting for the rights of the unborn; as fight for the death penalty, as fight against climate change, as fight for the ability of commercial ventures to externalize their costs of doing business by polluting, as fight for externalizing the costs of governing onto future generations via huge budget deficits. So it would seem that such people favor lots of babies that will have miserable lives.

Magda Hassan Wrote:

Cliff Varnell Wrote:And there's a lot more than abortion rights riding on this election.

Voting rights, gay rights, immigration rights, criminal justice rights, privacy rights, equal access to health care and quality education.

And corporate rights.

Quote:Hilary will deliver the TPP TISA and TTIP.

Quote:Trump for all his faults is against those sort of trade deals.

Quote:And he's wanting a reduced military and NATO and good relations with Russia (even if poor relations with Mexico)

Quote:On Tuesday's Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough claimed Donald Trump asked a "foreign policy expert" who was advising him numerous times about "why can't we use nuclear weapons."

Prefacing his comments by saying he'd "be very careful here," Scarborough said: "Several months ago, a foreign policy expert on the international level went to advise Donald Trump, and three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons. Three times, he asked, at one point, If we have them, we can't we use them?'… Three times, in an hour briefing, Why can't we use nuclear weapons?'"

Quote: Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said on Wednesday that his policies would have prevented the 9/11 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. "Those people that knocked down the World Trade Center most likely, under the Trump policy, wouldn't have been here to knock down the World Trade Center," the billionaire businessman said, referring to his proposed "Muslim Ban."


During his speech in Daytona Beach Florida, the GOP contender also took aim at his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton. He called her the "founder of ISIS" and suggested she should get an "award." According to ABC News, Trump also pushed back at critics of his campaign, who say it is in disarray, telling the crowd that his team has "never been this united."

Quote:So now we know where he really stands on 9/11? (At least where he stood at that particular second. He's the political embodiment of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.)