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Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - James H. Fetzer - 05-05-2011
Something about Robert Burns, as I recall. Thanks for the gesture. Right on!
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:[quote=James H. Fetzer]
I think highly of Magda, but I tend to assume that those who post here are up-to-speed on these things, which, it turns out, is often a baseless assumption. I am a bit more perplexed that, when I suggest someone is not current, you come after me, hammer and tongs, but when some mindless twit accuses me of being "the government's leading spook", not a peep! Please explain. Am I missing something?
Trowbridge Ford's description of you as "the government's leading spook" was banal. It barely registered in my consciousness, and I ignored it out of ennui.
However, for the record, Trowbridge - you were out of line and should withdraw that remark.
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 05-05-2011
FBI Warns OBL Death Picture Trojan Trap
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FBI warns of death picture malware
May 03, 2011
Before clicking on a link purporting to show pictures or video of a dead Osama bin Laden, you might want check the source, said federal authorities today.
The FBI today issued a warning stating hackers and spammers have embedded malicious software, or "malware," in bogus pages that can unleash computer-damaging viruses.
At least one version of the malware spreads to users' contact lists, infecting the systems of business associates, friends and family.
"These viruses are often programmed to steal your personally identifiable information," the FBI said.
The FBI suggests some basic precautions:
Don't open unsolicited e-mail.
Have up-to-date fire wall and antivirus software running on your computer.
Adjust the privacy settings on social networking sites to make it more difficult for people you don't know to post content on your pages.
Don't agree to download software to view videos.
Report any e-mail you receive that purports to be from the FBI, they never send unsolicited e-mail.
Report viruses and scams to the Internet Crime Complaint Center at http://www.ic3.gov.
- Sam Wood
http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2011/05/04/fbi-warns-obl-death-picture-trojan-trap/
[Warning: Everything you encounter on the Internet may radicalize you. We here at the Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation -- formerly home to J. Edna Hoover and recently with its own installed "cleaner" -- have contributed our own former Attorney General (the man who blushed at and covered up the nipple slip on the statue of Lady Justice -- you know, that gal holding the scales and a sword? ) to be the Ethics Officer for Blackwater/Xe, and we want YOU to clean up your act before you accidentally uncover something truly embarrassing.]
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 05-05-2011
Dr. Fetzer, I have not yet installed the right software...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbkbU32X5dI
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 05-05-2011
WEDNESDAY, MAY 04, 2011
Obama's Osama IV
It is likely that Osama was being held prisoner by Pakistan in his Palestine-shaped compound (it was originally built in uninhabited area, so the shape was not constrained by his neighbors). He could have lived anywhere - why would he choose this particular place? The American right is trying to put the blame on Pakistan, claiming that he was being sheltered by the Islamist-leaning Pakistani military. I have no doubt that such elements exist in the Pakistani military, but it is not the only view, and Osama was in considerable risk living where he was. The logical conclusion is that he was being held there, stored until he could be useful for Pakistan. What does Pakistan get in return?
The vague and peculiar American story that Pakistan wasn't aware of bin Laden's presence, and wasn't given prior notice of the American attack - for fear, presumably, of tipping Osama off - is probably to cover for Pakistan's help in allowing American access to bin Laden, help that wouldn't go over very well in the Pakistani borderlands.
I'm thinking that Obama himself ordered the correction of the original lying Official Story. There were a lot of people in that room with him watching what happened in real time. Some may come out with memoirs, which could be embarrassing to Obama if they stated the truth of what happened. Hillary would love to show that Obama let the lies stand.
In a logical world, if bin Laden is the grand terrorist mastermind running the show that American propagandists would have you believe, the Americans would do anything to take him alive so they could question him in an effort to disband the 'al Qaeda' network. Instead, they just shot him dead and gave a lie to explain why. Was this a mistake, or did they know he had no useful information as he was a CIA asset all along?
AT 5/04/2011 01:07:00 PM
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2011/05/obamas-osama-iv.html
Comment by stupiddy Today 04:35 PM
Quote:They have his DNA. That's proof right there. I've seen pictures of his DNA... and it's him.
The most worrisome part of all this is if his DNA gets into the wrong hands, say the Russians for example or the Venezuelans, they could reproduce it and forcibly impregnate trafficked girls from Albania with it and the next thing you know you have thousands of 6'6" tall Bin Ladens running around all over the world terrorizing everyone without pause.
I have great faith in our brave young fighting men, women and drones. But I am also a realistic American who has experienced first hand the terror of terrorists terrorizing.
This whole story rings strangely familiar. Wasn't there another bearded man who had something like this happen to him, where the occupiers....
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 05-05-2011
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/05/it-was-pak-forces-who-attacked-compound.html
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/05/cia-safe-house-in-abbottabad.html
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - James H. Fetzer - 05-05-2011
Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations
Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a
top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack.
http://www.infowars.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag/
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
May 4, 2011
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous
different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works
with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday
that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front
of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag
inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a ?conspiracy theorist?. He served as the Deputy
Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and
Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a
consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik
achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School
as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
Official story:
Official: Osama bin Laden is dead
www.msnbc.msn.com
Osama bin Laden is dead and US has body, says person familiar with
developments.
For a dissenting view, here's a quote (from "James Henry Fetzer",
facebook):
One of the most blatant acts of bullshit in our nation's history! A
man who could so directly and baldly lie in announcing the death of
a man who died on or about 15 December 2001 could also directly and
baldly lie about his birth certificate! They are announcing that Osama
was taken out by Obama. Now the wars can continue, the predator drones
can keep killing, and no one will care about where Barack was born!
The claim is made that Osama "confessed", when he did nothing of the
sort. In the only authentic interview we have, he explained that he
had nothing to do with 9/11; that he was upset with the US because
it had stationed troops in Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca and Medina,
the two most holy sites in Islam; that killing innocent women and
children is contrary to the tenets of Islam; and that there is a
government-within-the-government in America that appears to have been
responsible for these atrocities and blaming those acts on Muslims.
Excellent article:
"Obama's 'Big Lie': White House Propaganda and the 'Death' of Osama bin Laden" by Larry Chin May 2, 2011)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24594
Latest report:
Osama bin Laden corpse photo is fake (2 May 2011)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-
fake?CMP=twt_fd
Another skeptic:
Osama bin Laden's Second Death (May 2, 2011)
By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24587
Related article:
"On the Ethical Conduct of Warfare: Predator Drones" (22 February 2011)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23324
Historical context:
9/11 ANALYSIS: From Ronald Reagan and the Soviet-Afghan War to George W Bush and September 11, 2001 by Michel Chossudovsky (September 9, 2010)
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20958
Earlier article:
Gordon Duff, CIA HINTS, BIN LADEN DEAD SINCE "EARLY 2000's" (June 29, 2010)
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/06/29/gordon-duff-cia-hints-bin-
laden-dead-since-early-2000s/
Griffin's book:
David Ray Griffin, OSAMA BIL LADEN: DEAD OR ALIVE? (2009)
http://www.amazon.com/Osama-Bin-Laden-Dead-Alive/dp/1566567831
Griffin's article:
"Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?" (October 9, 2009)
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15601
An interview with someone who would know:
Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered (2007)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg
NOTE: This may have been a mistatement by BB.
FBI acknowledgement:
FBI says, "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11" (June 10, 2006)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2623
Scholars press release:
28 May 2006 - OSAMA TAPE APPEARS TO BE FAKE, EXPERTS CONCLUDE
http://twilightpines.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&
Itemid=67
Report: Bin Laden Already Dead (December 26, 2001)
Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the
Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
An interview with a CIA agent the day after 9/11:
CIA veteran doubts the bin Laden story (September 12, 2001)
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/744.html
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 05-05-2011
Day of the Dead: The Hit Man as Hero
WRITTEN BY CHRIS FLOYD
WEDNESDAY, 04 MAY 2011 16:08
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(UPDATED BELOW)
(UPDATED AGAIN)
Already the story is starting to unravel, mutate, transmogrify. Government statements that were presented as gospel truths in every media outlet in the world, and which served as the basis for ten thousand earnest, serious commentaries, turn out, one day later, to have been false.
We had been told by the president's top "counterterrorism adviser," John Brennan that Osama had been "engaged in a firefight" when he was gunned down by American agents. This was not true; it turns out that he was unarmed when they shot him in the head. We were told that the base coward used his wife as a human shield while he pumped hot lead at America's boys. This was not true. There were no human shields although Osama's wife was shot in the leg, while another woman, wife to a bin Laden aide, was shot and killed by the agents.
Of course, even these new officially released"facts" must be taken with a grain of salt, since they spring from the same impenetrable murk of the security apparat from whence the original story of the raid emerged. Will these new details change tomorrow?
(Meanwhile, actual reporters doing actual reporting independently uncovered another falsehood in the first story: the compound that was raided in Abbottabad was not a "million-dollar mansion," but a rather ordinary house in a middle-class area, worth about $250,000.)
In any case, we are told by the Fightin' Patriotic Progressives who now stand foursquare behind the apparat that we should not trouble our little heads over these "discrepancies." Such things are to be expected in the "fog of war." (But didn't the president and his national security team including John Brennan actually watch the raid unfold on live video feed? Didn't Brennan see what happened with his own eyes?)
Or if not fog, then the original misinformation can be put down to "subconscious" mythologizing, as Digby tells us. ("I think it was mythologizing for the sake of mythologizing, even if it was subconscious.") Our leaders wanted an old-fashioned cowboy shoot-out for the big climax of the bin Laden story, and so, somehow, the counterterrorism chief of the United States just, you know, subconsciously rearranged the facts to fit the myth. But as Digby sternly warns us: "Let's not get stupid. The fact that they embellished doesn't mean it didn't happen." That's true; but "the fact that they embellished" does mean that we would be, well, stupid to accept anything that belches forth from the Secret State at face value.
I don't mean to pick on Digby; but the post linked above serves as an almost perfect example of the moral schizophrenia that has gripped the progressive movement since the advent of Obama. At one point, she rightly notes that no one would have been bothered if the Administration had admitted from the start that bin Laden was unarmed when they killed him. As she says, the assassination scenario was duly praised by such rock-ribbed liberal icons as Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert; and she notes, astutely, "I don't think there's any political downside, and in fact it probably makes them look more macho in the eyes of the people."
(Indeed; all manner of liberals have been exulting in the new image of Obama the Heroic Hit Man. For example, Juan Cole and James Wolcott both long-time scourges of the witless, brutal militarism of the Bush Regime posted up a lolcat-style photo of a cool, grinning Obama in shades, emblazoned with the tagline, "Sorry it took so long to get you a copy of my birth certificate I was too busy killing Osama bin Laden.")
Digby then goes on to offer up another telling and damning insight:
Besides, the question of whether the president could order an assassination was settled some time ago. They assert the right to keep prisoners in jail forever and kill American citizens, and nobody cares, so why in the world would there be any domestic blowback for ordering the death of the world's most wanted man?
Here is where the schizophrenia sets in. It is obvious, from this and other posts, that Digby is horrified and outraged at Obama's open claim of this universal license to kill and imprison with impunity. That is, she fully recognizes that the United States government is led by a man who believes he can murder anyone he pleases, at any time, at his own arbitrary decision. She knows that he has used this power over and over, most extensively in Pakistan, where even by the most conservative estimates hundreds of innocent people including many women and children have been killed in Obama's drone missile campaign.
She knows, in other words, that Obama has killed hundreds of innocent people. Hundreds of innocent people. Little children, women, old folks, young marrieds, fathers, mothers, teenagers he has killed them in their own homes, in the streets of their villages, in their cars, at their weddings and funerals and birthday parties and family gatherings, raining down missiles, without warning, with no way to escape, no defense, killed them, the babies, the children, the old, the sick, ripped their bodies to shreds, buried them under rubble, tore off their heads, set them on fire to die in the purest agony. She knows this. She decries this. She believes it is wrong. Yet the general thrust of her widely read blog is that this man who does these things, who commits these horrors, who claims these murderous, tyrannous powers, should, at all costs, be retained in power so that he can carry on doing these things which sicken and horrify her.
But this is not simply a case of lesser evilism in a system where all the alternatives are grim i.e., "Well, Göring is a monster but he's probably marginally better than Hitler; let's support a bloody coup to install him as Führer". No; Digby and many other progressives whose writings show they are perfectly aware of the atrocities that Obama has committed and the evil policies he embraces such as the unrestricted license to kill still display an active affection and celebratory support for him. To them, even though he has killed these people and claimed these awful powers, he is still one cool guy.
Witness their delight at Obama's comedy routine at the Correspondent's Dinner last week, when he poked fun at the pathetic Donald Trump, garnering big yocks from the Beltway elite even as NATO missiles were killing three young grandchildren of Moamar Gadafy: more child sacrifices offered up on the altar of our modern Molochs. They didn't even notice.
Oh, they often shake their heads sadly or waggle their fingers sternly at some action or policy of Obama's. They often can't understand why he does these things cut taxes for the rich, bail out the bankers, torture Bradley Manning, form commissions to gut Social Security, escalate and prolong the Terror War, kill hundreds of people with drone missiles, etc., etc. But nothing douses their fundamental (fundamentalist?) fervor to keep him in power and to scorn those who oppose him. Nothing keeps them from seeing themselves as his true and faithful "base," still waiting for him to return to them, despite his many betrayals. (Subconscious betrayals, no doubt.)
And we can expect more encomiums to the president's eloquence and heroism from these quarters on Thursday, when, with the good taste and tact so characteristic of our bipartisan ruling class, Obama goes to the site of the 9/11 attacks in New York City to celebrate the shooting of an unarmed man in the head.
Yes, the president of the United States, accompanied by various Establishment worthies and doubtless a few dignified clerics, will stand at Ground Zero to glorify a killing that his own minions tell us will change nothing whatsoever: the wars will go on, "vigilance will be redoubled" (i.e., civil liberties will continue to be eroded, black ops will continue in the 70 countries or more where America is carrying out covert operations), the Secret State will keep growing, the universal license to kill and snatch and incarcerate and torture will remain in full force. So what exactly is being celebrated?
A cynic or someone being skeptically "stupid" in the Digbyian sense might say the occasion is more exploitation than celebration: exploiting the grief of the families of 9/11 survivors who will be trotted out to express their tearful gratitude to the president who has given them "closure" and who will reap the poll bounce from this moment of "national unity," just as his predecessor rode a similar exploitation of death to his own re-election.
Oh, but let us not be stupid. Let us acknowledge that the president kills innocent people and "asserts the right to keep prisoners in jail forever and kill American citizens" and puts out false information (subconsciously, of course! Always subconsciously!) about murky operations which we must take on faith like dutiful subjects in militarized state, not fully-fledged citizens in a republic but let us still revel in his triumphs, delight in his eloquence, and work with all our strength to make sure he continues to invert, pervert and subvert every progressive value we hold dear.
That's not "stupid" at all, is it?
***
UPDATE: Administration officials are now denying that Obama's national security team watched the execution of bin Laden on video feed, as was originally reported. Officials now say that the team was receiving "minute-by-minute updates" -- via unspecified technology -- and that, according to CIA honcho Leon Panetta, "there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes that we really didn't know just exactly what was going on." That would be the 20 or 25 minutes when the actual killing took place, presumably.
It's hard to understand how this wild story about the team watched the whole thing unfold in real time. Just one of those crazy urban myths, I guess. Or perhaps it was because of this bit of "subconscious mythologizing" that was offered up by the president's own chief adviser on counterterrorism, John Brennan, just two days ago:
"We were able to monitor in a real-time basis the progress of the operation from its commencement to its time on target to the extraction of the remains and to then the egress off of the target… we were able to monitor the situation in real time and were able to have regular updates and to ensure that we had real-time visibility into the progress of the operation. I'm not going to go into details about what type of visuals we had or what type of feeds that were there, but it was it gave us the ability to actually track it on an ongoing basis."
I suppose really vague language like "we were able to monitor in a real-time basis the progress of the operation" from the start to the kill to the "extraction of the remains" and the grand skeedaddle could be twisted by stupid conspiracy theorists into some kind of cockamamie notion that Barry and Hill and, er, John Brennan, had, well, monitored the operation in real time. But now we know better.
UPDATE 2: There will doubtless be more backtracking and backfilling and sidestepping and subconscious mythologizing in the days to come. For it turns out that the crack crew of American agents left a whole group of eyewitnesses to the operation behind -- including the 12-year-old daughter of bin Laden, who saw her father killed -- and was also wounded in the attack.
As the Guardian reports, at least 10 people were left behind after the raid -- presumably because the raiding party did not have room to cart them off after losing one of their helicopters before the kill. Pakistani officials found the survivors -- including bin Laden's wife and the wounded daughter -- when they arrived on the scene just after the American exit. All of the survivors had been handcuffed, Pakistani officials said. The Americans also left four dead bodies behind: three men and a woman, taking only bin Laden and his dead son. From the Guardian:
Local authorities arrived on the scene of the raid as American special forces were leaving. It is believed that the attackers originally planned to evacuate all those in the compound but the breakdown of a helicopter meant there was no space to take them.
Instead, only the bodies of Bin Laden and his son Hamza, who was in his early 20s, were taken to the aircraft carrier the USS Carl Vinson and buried at sea. Survivors were left with their hands fastened with plastic handcuffs, a second Pakistani official said, adding that initial communications with the survivors had been difficult as the Pakistani police and military arriving at the scene did not speak Arabic.
The survivors are now being held by the Pakistanis, who say they will return them to their home countries as soon as the respective governments ask for them. At the moment, they are not allowing American agents to interrogate them -- strenuously or otherwise. But no doubt as the survivors' stories begin to emerge -- and yes, they will have their own spin and agenda, just like Obama and his subconsciously mythologizing security apparatchiks -- we will see several more "corrections" of the "historical record" now being woven and re-woven in front of our eyes.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2125-day-of-the-dead-the-hit-man-as-hero-.html
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 05-05-2011
25-Minute blackout during raid on bin Laden compound
May 4, 2011 by legitgov
25-Minute blackout during raid on bin Laden compound --The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events. 04 May 2011 Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off. A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.
http://www.legitgov.org/25-Minute-blackout-during-raid-bin-Laden-compound
Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again. - Ed Jewett - 05-05-2011
Bin Laden could be dead: terrorism expert - January 2006
May 4, 2011 by legitgov
Bin Laden could be dead: terrorism expert 16 Jan 2006 An Australian terrorism expert says he has been given evidence, which could show Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is either seriously ill or dead. Professor Clive Williams from Macquarie University says he has been provided with evidence, by an Indian colleague, to support the theory that bin Laden died of massive organ failure in April last year. "...t does seem reasonably convincing based on the evidence that I've been provided with that he's certainly either severely incapacitated or dead at this stage," Professor Williams siad.[sic]
http://www.legitgov.org/Bin-Laden-could-be-dead-terrorism-expert-January-2006
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