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Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Vasilios Vazakas - 08-12-2012
Mark
If i understood well, what he is trying to say is, if for example Giancana who belonged in the Italian-American mafia
was involved in the assassination this does not mean that the state of Italy was involved as well.
accordingly if Lansky who belonged in the Jewish-American mafia was involved in the assassination
this does not mean that the state of Israel was involved as well.
Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Mark Stapleton - 08-12-2012
Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Mark
If i understood well, what he is trying to say is, if for example Giancana who belonged in the Italian-American mafia
was involved in the assassination this does not mean that the state of Italy was involved as well.
accordingly if Lansky who belonged in the Jewish-American mafia was involved in the assassination
this does not mean that the state of Israel was involved as well.
Painting Ruby as a mafia underling is an age old tactic designed to point the finger of suspicion in the opposite direction.
Peter Dale Scott commented in Deep Politics and the Death of JFK that the House Committee investigation of Ruby chose to focus on an ethnic model of organised crime described as La Cosa Nostra. Why would they do that?
Scott described this definition of organised crime as bureaucratically distorted to the point of falsehood, and that this involved systematic distortion of the facts.
Ruby's affiliations and loyalties were all Zionist. Ruby wasn't mafioso.
If Ruby was more Mafia than Zionist, why would he claim to be an interpreter for an Israeli newspaper?
Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Magda Hassan - 08-12-2012
Mark Stapleton Wrote:Ruby's affiliations and loyalties were all Zionist. Ruby wasn't mafioso.Ruby's loyalties were internationally based on greenback principles. Who ever was paying. Italian. Sicilian Jewish or Anglo.
Mark Stapleton Wrote:If Ruby was more Mafia than Zionist, why would he claim to be an interpreter for an Israeli newspaper?Why not? It gave him a cover for being there. I doubt Ruby, who was barely literate in his native Englsih, had enough Hebrew to do his Bar Mitzvah but hey he's Jewish enough to pass. Or do you really think he was pure and high minded about his ideological affiliations? :flypig:
Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Mark Stapleton - 08-12-2012
Magda Hassan Wrote:Mark Stapleton Wrote:Ruby's affiliations and loyalties were all Zionist. Ruby wasn't mafioso.Ruby's loyalties were internationally based on greenback principles. Who ever was paying. Italian. Sicilian Jewish or Anglo.
Ruby didn't sacrifice himself for greenbacks. It had to be more than that. What do you think it was?
Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Mark Stapleton - 08-12-2012
Magda Hassan Wrote:Or do you really think he was pure and high minded about his ideological affiliations?
Yes he was, like most assassins throughout history.
Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Magda Hassan - 08-12-2012
Mark Stapleton Wrote:Well no one ever is stupid enough to sacrifice themselves for their country either. What is a country anyway? Perhaps some one threatened harm to his dogs or sisters?Magda Hassan Wrote:Mark Stapleton Wrote:Ruby's affiliations and loyalties were all Zionist. Ruby wasn't mafioso.Ruby's loyalties were internationally based on greenback principles. Who ever was paying. Italian. Sicilian Jewish or Anglo.
Ruby didn't sacrifice himself for greenbacks. It had to be more than that. What do you think it was?
Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Jan Klimkowski - 08-12-2012
Mark Stapleton Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:Or do you really think he was pure and high minded about his ideological affiliations?
Yes he was, like most assassins throughout history.
C'mon Mark.
The origin of Assassin is Hassan-i-Sabbah and the Hashishin.
My emphasis in bold:
Quote:The Assassins (Persian: Øشاشين ḤashshÄshÄ«n, also Hashishin, Hassassin, or Hashashiyyin) were an order of Nizari Ismailis, particularly those of Persia and Syria that formed around 1091. Posing a strong military threat to Sunni Seljuq authority within the Persian territories, the Nizari Ismailis captured and inhabited many mountain fortresses under the leadership of Hassan-i Sabbah.
The name "Assassin" is often said to derive from the Arabic Hashishin or "users of hashish",[1] to have been originally derogatory and used by their adversaries during the Middle Ages.
The Masyaf branch of the Assassins was taken over by the Mamluk Sultan Baibars in 1273. The Mamluks however, continued to use the services of the remaining Assassins: Ibn Battuta reported in the 14th century their fixed rate of pay per murder. In exchange, the higher authorities allowed them to exist. The mention of Assassins were also preserved within European sources, such as the writings of Marco Polo, in which they are depicted as trained killers, responsible for the systematic elimination of opposing figures.
They were killers for hire.
In English, an assassin is a hired gun.
Some of those who Sponsored or Facilitated the murder of JFK may have had ideological motivations.
The Mechanics, the shooters, were almost certainly hired guns.
As for Ruby, I don't believe his reasons for shooting Oswald were ideological.
Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Magda Hassan - 08-12-2012
Mark Stapleton Wrote:Ruby was a grunt. He was not noted for his higher brain functions. He followed orders. Did as he was told. A bag man. A delivery boy and runner for the mob. He was not a philosopher or ideologue and wouldn't be able to spell the words. He barely could make enough money organising a fuck in a brothel. If he ever had the chance to give up his life of crime he would be delivering pizzas for a corporate food conglomerate. Like Hitler he may have loved dogs but he was not up for invading Poland or running a coup. Or even knowing what side he was on. Just where some money was and where the best bet for self preservation was.Magda Hassan Wrote:Or do you really think he was pure and high minded about his ideological affiliations?
Yes he was, like most assassins throughout history.
Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Mark Stapleton - 08-12-2012
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:As for Ruby, I don't believe his reasons for shooting Oswald were ideological.
Well the reasons weren't financial.
How can he throw his money around when he's on death row?
Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Mark Stapleton - 08-12-2012
Magda Hassan Wrote:Mark Stapleton Wrote:Ruby was a grunt. He was not noted for his higher brain functions. He followed orders. Did as he was told. A bag man. A delivery boy and runner for the mob. He was not a philosopher or ideologue and wouldn't be able to spell the words. He barely could make enough money organising a fuck in a brothel. If he ever had the chance to give up his life of crime he would be delivering pizzas for a corporate food conglomerate. Like Hitler he may have loved dogs but he was not up for invading Poland or running a coup. Or even knowing what side he was on. Just where some money was and where the best bet for self preservation was.Magda Hassan Wrote:Or do you really think he was pure and high minded about his ideological affiliations?
Yes he was, like most assassins throughout history.
Neither of us know what you're talking about.
We're in agreement at last.