Albert Doyle Wrote:

Bill Kelly Wrote:Doesn't anyone want to discuss the fact that the Director of the CIA told RFK he thought there were two people involved in the shooting?

JFKcountercoup: CIA Director told RFK Two People Shooting at JFK

Yeah, I do. This scares me because it makes you wonder how much of Fetzer's film forgery claim is correct? It begs the question what exactly did Lundal and McCone see that made them determine that? Was it the backwards movement or was it JFK's brains blowing back on to the trunk that was then altered and removed at CIA? This gives me the creeps because it opens the door to the skull flap possibly being forged-in. The reason it makes my skin crawl is because it creates the possibility, like Fetzer says, of the Zapruder Film being deliberately designed in advance in order to support pre-determined film-forgeries of wounds. Particularly, the skull flap wound. The reason this is extra creepy is because if the Parkland wounds are accurate and the parietal area, witnessed as being intact by the nurse, was undamaged that means it is possible the skull flap wound seen bursting open in Zapruder is a forgery. And if it is a forgery it makes you ask where in God's name did CIA get the film clip of a man's head being blasted open? Whose head was that and where was it shot and by whom? Of course the skull flap could still be JFK's and only the rear wound was altered.

God help anyone who references Fetzer now, but in this one case he might be right. Which only proves the biggest casualty of Fetzer's recent bizarre claims is Fetzer's own previous credible claims.

Peter Lemkin Wrote:Despite the tampering, after the fact, with the Z-film it still clearly shows conspiracy! Further, it shows that the official version, pushed by the Government and their minions, is false and was known to be false.

Jim DiEugenio Wrote:It doesn't mean that at all Albert.

Anyone who watches the film the first time without introduction thinks that way.

When millions saw it on TV, that was the reaction. I mean it was like an electric current went off underground.

Same as when it was in Stone's film to a new generation.

So when analysts first saw the film that night, yeah that was the reaction.

Further, in Don Adams' book, one of the gems in it is his first reaction upon seeing the film in Dallas with other FBI agents. When they walked out of the screening, he said, its obvious that he was hit by two different snipers. They said, well yeah, we all know that. But that is not what the Director wants us to say.

Same thing when Sprague's HSCA saw the film. LJ Delsa said it had to be two directions and two different calibre weapons due to the two reactions.

Because the other side has come up with so many excuses and rationalizations--Alvarez and the jet effect, Sturdivan and the neuromuscular reaction--people forget how powerful the film is as evidence. It proves conspiracy in at least four different ways.

But that's not enough for some people.

Albert Doyle Wrote:However if the film is altered it leaves people trying to figure-out what happened treading water as far as having anything solid by which to make any determination.

Albert Doyle Wrote:By the way, Paul Baker is an ignorable ass who isn't giving honest recognition to the facts.

Jim Hackett II Wrote:Many doubts arose for me in the 1970s, the first time I ever had the chance to examine the Paley preserved version that Jim Garrison held for a while. OK copies there of.

Missing people from compared films/photos and such made me suspicious long ago. Differences from sworn testimony also built upon the thing.

I have never seen any other film but versions of the released endorsed one.

However I know other versions exist because someone I know would not lie described another one to me in the 1980s.

From that day forward this issue is to me closed. The film Groden and Gregory brought to us through no fault of their own efforts is false. All Time-Life Z clips are junk for truth.

Have no doubt about the following though, I do greatly hope others can provide the proof to blow open the lies attending Zap and his friends.

Jim