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The "deeper" implications of parading three "tramps" thru DP - LR Trotter - 14-03-2013
Mr Josephs, maybe I should have been more specific, but I posted in response to your 2nd sentence, as I was unaware of that information being "established". I indicated my reason for a closer look at the 2 younger of the so called 3 tramps, but I do not recall what time the pictured gentlemen were escorted through Dealey Plaza and allow for other "tramps" in the area. I do however remain convinced, to the degree I can be, that the shorter dark haired gentleman is correctly identified as Mr Doyle, and the taller lighter haired gentleman is correctly identified as Mr Gedney. As for what they were or were not involved in is actually beside the point, and at one time, I accepted the Charles Rogers and Charles Harrelson identity as fact, and sought proof for myself, and later formed my current opinion. So, you and I should agree to disagree, and move on. If some so called tramps were involved with JFK's murder, they were, and if not, they weren't. Take care.
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The "deeper" implications of parading three "tramps" thru DP - David Josephs - 14-03-2013
LR Trotter Wrote:Mr Josephs, maybe I should have been more specific, but I posted in response to your 2nd sentence, as I was unaware of that information being "established". I indicated my reason for a closer look at the 2 younger of the so called 3 tramps, but I do not recall what time the pictured gentlemen were escorted through Dealey Plaza and allow for other "tramps" in the area. I do however remain convinced, to the degree I can be, that the shorter dark haired gentleman is correctly identified as Mr Doyle, and the taller lighter haired gentleman is correctly identified as Mr Gedney. As for what they were or were not involved in is actually beside the point, and at one time, I accepted the Charles Rogers and Charles Harrelson identity as fact, and sought proof for myself, and later formed my current opinion. So, you and I should agree to disagree, and move on. If some so called tramps were involved with JFK's murder, they were, and if not, they weren't. Take care.
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LR... I accept and respect your opinion on the matter.... Don't think I've presented myself in any other way.
We have Jan & Magda interested in discussing the different angles and aspects
while Jim and a few others feel this is a dead-end...
I have no problem discussing this with those who are interested... what I do not understand is the need to TRASH the work and thought process which may in turn lead to other "discoveries" that could be helpful...
Shots were fired from behind the picket fence, from the RR yard.
Bowers sees two men
Hoffman sees two men
A man is seen wandering down the tracks with a rifle
MORE than 3 tramps are pulled from the train cars
These men were described as "dirty and smelly", that the photos do not do them justice and one has to look closely.... (no matter how close you look, the two young ones are NOT dirty in the least)
The eldest "tramp" has a paper bag from which Wise takes a knife and returns the bag... the bag is in this man's possession in the photos
They are brought to Decker, then sent to Fritz - then a "senior Homicide Dect tells Wise to bring them back to Decker... Wise is then dismissed.
Wise returns to Decker's office to see if the three will be incarcerated and so WISE can take credit for the arrest...
One of Decker's deputies tells him they were released.... even though we come to find three Arrest reports and the tramps themselves stating they spent 3 days in jail.
The ARREST REPORTS eminate from the Dallas Police Dept (Fritz)... NOT the Sheriff (Decker)
At what point do these three men get BACK to the DPD and to jail...
and who did Decker release? Decker has always been a concern... and here we have a direct statement that he not only spoke directly to these men (which other suspects/witnesses does Decker call into his office that afternoon?) but shuffles them out the back door - so to speak.
What possible purpose is served by Decker meeting with these three men, TWICE, if they were simply smelly old tramps.... yet them winding up in DPD custody.
Yet the attached tells yet another story... http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/fbi_124-10179-10312
The "deeper" implications of parading three "tramps" thru DP - Phil Dragoo - 14-03-2013
LaFontaines attempt a finesse with Oswald Talked. Yet I insist their trio is not that of the Beers-Smith-Allen photos.
Weberman-Canfield's Sturgis-Carswell-Hunt ca. '75; Holt & Lois Gibson's Harrelson, Ice Box Killer, Holt in the 'nineties.
Prouty terms them "actors"; brings in Krulak to backstop his Lansdale ID.
Lansdale, per Prouty, was the master of mounting false flag stage acts to capture the hearts and minds.
The most cogent explanation of the trio is the Picket Fence Team in hiding.
Or, in the alternative, it serves the bookend to the seizure-ambulance-run prior.
The illusionist distracts from substantive movement.
The Drifter's Escape
The "deeper" implications of parading three "tramps" thru DP - Jan Klimkowski - 14-03-2013
Charles Drago Wrote:The "tramps" were created to distract.
Does anyone actually believe that E and E systems for Facilitators and Mechanics in Dealey Plaza would be so poorly planned as to allow for capture and public display of the guilty -- unless it all was part of the operation?
I agree that it is highly likely that the "tramps" are visible proof of an operation by trained intelligence hands.
The "guns down" stance of the fake cops, the un-hobo clothes of the "tramps", their parading.
Yes, this is most likely a deliberate distraction.
However, it is a distraction which resonates.
A distraction which reveals some of the Mechanical details of the public slaughter of JFK.
The "deeper" implications of parading three "tramps" thru DP - Cliff Varnell - 15-03-2013
Phil Dragoo Wrote:The Drifter's Escape
I've long thought of them as back-up patsies most likely, especially if that's Harrelson and Hunt, two guys who were later tapped to take the fall for large crimes.
Jack Lawrence, another back-up patsy perhaps. He and Lyndon both got sick to their stomachs that afternoon...perhaps the sickening sensation that comes with the strong suspicion one has been set up as a Suspect...