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JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - Albert Doyle - 28-04-2013
Greg Burnham Wrote:[
Only problem is that in each instance of temperature increase, including the most recent, temperatures began rising PRIOR to CO2 levels. This is DOCUMENTED and those scientists who originally had it backwards have recanted. Perhaps increased temperature is caused by natural cycles (solar and oceanic), which in turn CAUSES an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere--not the other way around. The pattern of increased heat followed by increased atmospheric CO2 is not speculation, but fact.
There's less wallop in that argument than might appear. Most scientists knew the ice core samples showed CO2 rose after temperature. However this begs the obvious question of what will happen when you have an unprecedented spike in CO2 as we do now? This is playing Russian Roulete with big stakes.
The flaw in your argument is it doesn't give due heed to the straight Greenhouse Effect that is a valid scientific phenomenon and will raise temperatures on its own as it is mostly likely presently recorded doing. So in a way you are kind of conflating long term cooling and warming cycles with the separate phenomenon of the Greenhouse Effect. What you really have to worry about is an unnaturally influenced triggering of an out of cycle warming event that gets exacerbated by an unprecedented amount of existing CO2 that unloads trapped arctic CO2 into the atmosphere in an explosive Global Warming event.
Unfortunately the cycle timing argument doesn't get us off the hook.
JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - Greg Burnham - 28-04-2013
Albert Doyle Wrote:There's less wallop in that argument than might appear. Most scientists knew the ice core samples showed CO2 rose after temperature.
The problem with global warming / climate change alarmism is that such claims are BASED ON A FALSE ASSERTION, i.e., "an assumption of catastrophic consequences" being accepted as FACT or DOGMA, as the case may be. Yet, even by your own admission, you said: "Most scientists knew the ice core samples showed CO2 rose after temperature." Well, if they knew this to be true why is there a claim being made that CO2 is driving current global warming when that is clearly impossible due to the fact that the one claimed to be the EFFECT (global warming) precedes the one claimed to be the CAUSE (rising CO2 levels)? This is inescapable logically. It is illogical to claim (all temporal restraints being equal) that any given EFFECT precedes the existence of the conditions (CAUSE) necessary to bring that EFFECT about.
Quote:However this begs the obvious question of what will happen when you have an unprecedented spike in CO2 as we do now? This is playing Russian Roulete with big stakes.
The TRUTH (as you admit) is that WE DO NOT KNOW "what, if anything" will "happen" do we? No, we do not. Moreover, your assertion that we now have an unprecedented spike in CO2 levels is without foundation. Depending on the source, CO2 levels were this high between 5 and 15 million years ago...long before humans were here with their industrial revolution to blame.
Quote:The flaw in your argument is it doesn't give due heed to the straight Greenhouse Effect that is a valid scientific phenomenon and will raise temperatures on its own as it is mostly likely presently recorded doing.
You make no sense. You attempt to come across as knowledgeable, yet what you write is gibberish. The Greenhouse Effect is real. It is not a scientific phenomenon. It is a name for a natural process that is necessary for the sustenance of life on Earth. Without it the planet would be a frozen wasteland. More than 98% of the Greenhouse Effect is a function of WATER VAPOR, the exact amount of which is a variable, and therefore unknown.
Quote:So in a way you are kind of conflating long term cooling and warming cycles with the separate phenomenon of the Greenhouse Effect. What you really have to worry about is an unnaturally influenced triggering of an out of cycle warming event that gets exacerbated by an unprecedented amount of existing CO2 that unloads trapped arctic CO2 into the atmosphere in an explosive Global Warming event.
Unfortunately the cycle timing argument doesn't get us off the hook.
Wait. Stop. The "cycle timing argument" was not mine. It was and is the "global warming alarmist's" argument--only they have it backwards, as you have already admitted. Nice bait and switch.
JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - Jim Hackett II - 28-04-2013
This post I find as better science than some.
Thanks Greg for this data.
Jim
JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - Greg Burnham - 29-04-2013
Jim Hackett II Wrote:This post I find as better science than some.
Thanks Greg for this data.
Jim
You're welcome, Jim. My recovery must be accelerating as evidenced by the feistiness of my responses in this thread!
JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - Magda Hassan - 29-04-2013
Greg Burnham Wrote:You're welcome, Jim. My recovery must be accelerating as evidenced by the feistiness of my responses in this thread!
Good to hear Greg!
JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - Jim Hackett II - 29-04-2013
Greg, Monk,
Friend.
Good to see signs of recovery.
Feisty?
The man that backed McNolan into a logical corner
of his McAdams' own design? On the "air".
Not feisty, more and better in a similar vein
but not feisty if that word implies a playfulness.
I'd say just that is Greg Burnham.
Relentless isn't even close.
We are still involved after all these years, eh?
We all gotta be who we are.
Jim
JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - Greg Burnham - 29-04-2013
Jim Hackett II Wrote:Greg, Monk,
Friend.
Good to see signs of recovery.
Feisty?
The man that backed McNolan into a logical corner
of his McAdams' own design? On the "air".
Not feisty, more and better in a similar vein
but not feisty if that word implies a playfulness.
I'd say just that is Greg Burnham.
Relentless isn't even close.
We are still involved after all these years, eh?
We all gotta be who we are.
Jim
Many thanks, my friend. We endure.
JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - Greg Burnham - 29-04-2013
Magda Hassan Wrote:Greg Burnham Wrote:You're welcome, Jim. My recovery must be accelerating as evidenced by the feistiness of my responses in this thread!
Good to hear Greg!
Thanks Magda!
JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - David Healy - 29-04-2013
Greg Burnham Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:Greg Burnham Wrote:You're welcome, Jim. My recovery must be accelerating as evidenced by the feistiness of my responses in this thread!
Good to hear Greg!
Thanks Magda!
good to see you up and about there, Monk! Missed your posts.
--David
JFK, MLK, RFK and the Continuing Unspeakable with Regard to Global Warming Denial - Greg Burnham - 29-04-2013
David Healy Wrote:Greg Burnham Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:Greg Burnham Wrote:You're welcome, Jim. My recovery must be accelerating as evidenced by the feistiness of my responses in this thread!
Good to hear Greg!
Thanks Magda!
good to see you up and about there, Monk! Missed your posts.
--David
Thanks David!