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What would they have done if it had rained? - Marlene Zenker - 06-09-2013
David Josephs Wrote:Whether the attempts in Florida and Illinois were connected to Dallas is TBD....
What I DO KNOW is that the WCDs coming out of Chicago deal primarily with
1) refuting that 4 gunmen were arrested (one being LHO)
2) Arthur Vallee's appearances in court and his background, etc....
While at the same time the SS is denying there were any concerns in Chicago...
At Mary Ferrell's you can look thru the index of the WCDs.... go to ALL the Chicago based FBI office reports and take a look...
CD47 and CD460 are good examples...
A WEALTH of info is contained in these WCDs - especially the ones NOT given WCE #'s and included in the 26 volumes
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Thanks - I have the Chicago Plot in my app as well as a map accompanying it - I'm still most curious about after Dallas...
What would they have done if it had rained? - Tracy Riddle - 07-09-2013
Marlene Zenker Wrote:I knew about the possibility of others at the Trade Mart - but I was wondering if they failed in Dallas if anyone has ever found any evidence of a plan in any other city following 11/22? Also, if a patsy was set up at the Trade Mart or along the route is there any evidence of who? Just curious because they literally only had one shot at this and couldn't afford to miss.
Nope, no evidence, we're just speculatin'.
I think if they had failed in Dallas, the wrath of the Kennedy brothers would have been unleashed, and we really might have had a second Civil War on our hands.
The turmoil in France during the de Gaulle years is probably a close parallel, since de Gaulle survived numerous assassination attempts and elements within the military trying to overthrow him.
What would they have done if it had rained? - Jerry Ellis - 07-09-2013
John Mooney Wrote:
Was the bubble top bullet proof?
It had good all round visibility.
Light reflection might have been a problem, but you knew where JFK was sitting.
Vince Palamara discusses the bubble top in his Black Op Radio interview from last night. I assume there is information on the bubble-top in his pending new book.
http://www.blackopradio.com/archives2013.html show #646
What would they have done if it had rained? - Marlene Zenker - 07-09-2013
Tracy Riddle Wrote:Marlene Zenker Wrote:I knew about the possibility of others at the Trade Mart - but I was wondering if they failed in Dallas if anyone has ever found any evidence of a plan in any other city following 11/22? Also, if a patsy was set up at the Trade Mart or along the route is there any evidence of who? Just curious because they literally only had one shot at this and couldn't afford to miss.
Nope, no evidence, we're just speculatin'.
I think if they had failed in Dallas, the wrath of the Kennedy brothers would have been unleashed, and we really might have had a second Civil War on our hands.
The turmoil in France during the de Gaulle years is probably a close parallel, since de Gaulle survived numerous assassination attempts and elements within the military trying to overthrow him.
Did anyone here read this book "The Memoirs of John F. Kennedy" - I read it a year or so ago - it is a bitter sweet read - as he survives the assassination and brings the perpetrators to justice - but that isn't the focus - it is that he carries on his vision for the country.
http://www.amazon.com/Memoirs-John-F-Kennedy-Novel/dp/0982906404/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1378527237&sr=1-1&keywords=the+memoirs+of+john+f.+kennedy
What would they have done if it had rained? - Jan Klimkowski - 07-09-2013
Charles Drago Wrote:The question is a damn good one. It has bugged me for decades.
My best guess, one word answer: Nothing.
At least not before the end of the Trade Mart event.
Remember the investment represented by LHO -- why he was selected to be what most of us agree was the "perfect" patsy.
And while November 22, 1963 turned out to be JFK's drop-dead date, we have no reason to suspect that the Sponsors could not have waited a bit longer -- even with the immediately pending NSAM switch in mind.
Might other individuals have been developed as "perfect" patsies for Dealey Plaza and/or other scenarios? While I remain all but convinced that the so-called Chicago plot and Thomas Arthur Vallee were created to be blown, that doesn't mean that other ambushes and other patsies now lost to history weren't in place.
Back to Dallas: Would LHO have been transported -- dead or alive -- to the Trade Mart for his role in a post-speech passion play?
And if a Dealey Plaza car bomb had been detonated, who would have been blamed? How would the inescapable three-tier cover-up as described by Peter Dale Scott have been molded and preserved in this or any other scenario?
Was LHO the only available "perfect" patsy?
Charles asks: Was LHO the only available "perfect" patsy?
I strongly suspect he was not the only patsy available.
I also strongly suspect that LHO was the most perfect patsy available as space and time intersected in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
What would they have done if it had rained? - Charles Drago - 07-09-2013
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:I also strongly suspect that LHO was the most perfect patsy available as space and time intersected in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
Your choice of language here, Jan, is poetic and challenging. It begs consideration of, shall we say, larger issues -- or to use the contemporary term of art, high strangeness.
Perhaps the questions I'm about to pose truly qualify as imponderables.
Perhaps, however, not.
Could the event have happened any other way? At any other time? In any other place? With any other cast of characters?
Could the event not have happened?
What would they have done if it had rained? - John Mooney - 07-09-2013
Here's a thought... would a failed assassination attempt and a dead LHO, plus Cuba/Russia conspiracy pursued instead of supressed have been "better than nothing"?
Were there alternative plans?
What would they have done if it had rained? - Dawn Meredith - 07-09-2013
Charles Drago Wrote:Could the event not have happened?
No, not in my opinion. Unless, by some miracle, we had a Seven Days In May scenerio.
Which only happens in books and films.
We can't speculate but I am positive that they had a back up plan in the (unlikely) case of rain. That involved LHO as too much had been invested in setting him up.
Dawn
Opps I was responding to CD's question above but in editing out the rest it now looks like it is Jan asking the question. Not sure how that happened.
What would they have done if it had rained? - Charles Drago - 07-09-2013
John Mooney Wrote:Here's a thought... would a failed assassination attempt and a dead LHO, plus Cuba/Russia conspiracy pursued instead of supressed have been "better than nothing"?
Absolutely not. A living, serving JFK would not have bought that cover story bullshit for a nanosecond.
Which is why the most accomplished hunters of humans in all creation were utilized and the "go" signal was not given until conditions were optimal
John Mooney Wrote:Were there alternative plans?
Probably. No way to say -- yet -- with any degree of certainty.
But bet the house that the so-called Chicago plot was never meant to be implemented and was purposefully blown.
What would they have done if it had rained? - Charles Drago - 07-09-2013
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Charles Drago Wrote:Could the event not have happened?
No, not in my opinion. Unless, by some miracle, we had a Seven Days In May scenerio.
Which only happens in books and films.
We can't speculate but I am positive that they had a back up plan in the (unlikely) case of rain. That involved LHO as too much had been invested in setting him up.
Dawn
Opps I was responding to CD's question above but in editing out the rest it now looks like it is Jan asking the question. Not sure how that happened.
I won't speak for Jan, but I'm focusing here on the high strangeness aspects of this world-historic case ... the imponderables ... along the lines of, would what for lack of a better term I'll call "fate" have allowed any other assassination scenario to become reality.
Pondering the imponderable ... it's an intoxicating and, for me, thoroughly enjoyable pastime.