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Marty Hay's Blog! - Dawn Meredith - 30-11-2013 Seamus Coogan Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:I think Martin is all wet and dead wrong about Pitzer. Martin Hay takes the denier position on Commander Pitzer's CIA assassination. Fetzer and Lifton are now UNIFIED???? Wow. That explains some things. Thanks for that Seamus. I know where I stand on Pitzer: MURDERED. Dawn Marty Hay's Blog! - Seamus Coogan - 30-11-2013 Martin Hay Wrote:Albert Doyle Wrote:Like I said, Mr Hay refuses to apply his own standard to what exactly Pitzer was doing that night if he wasn't filming the autopsy? It was pretty much Marty that came up with that one. He was as surprised as I was. Right so I have Dawn down as Pitzer was whacked! Lol I think Albert is going to need some help. Interesting to see where this will go. I am honestly very neutral on the subject... however, Marty's article as you guessed Dawn is more than that! Marty Hay's Blog! - Martin Hay - 30-11-2013 Dawn Meredith Wrote:Fetzer and Lifton are now UNIFIED???? Wow. That explains some things. Thanks for that Seamus. Dawn, If you wanna go up against Cyril Wecht and Herbert L. MacDonell - two more qualified and independent-minded experts would be extremely hard to find - then be my guest. http://www.manuscriptservice.com/WBP-Resolution/ In light of the article above, if you can present any evidence to support the notion that Pitzer was murdered, I'm all ears. Marty Hay's Blog! - Dawn Meredith - 30-11-2013 Martin Hay Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:Fetzer and Lifton are now UNIFIED???? Wow. That explains some things. Thanks for that Seamus. I thoroughly researched this many many years back. No clue where it is now. It was back when Alan E. was posting at EF. I'm not getting into a pissing contest here with anyone. There has already been enough of that, on a totally different matter. Not blowing you off Marty, just road weary. We all have the right to come to our individual conclusions. DAwn Marty Hay's Blog! - Dawn Meredith - 30-11-2013 Dawn Meredith Wrote:Martin Hay Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:Fetzer and Lifton are now UNIFIED???? Wow. That explains some things. Thanks for that Seamus. I posted too soon, this article IS by Alan. Been there done that. Dawn Marty Hay's Blog! - Peter Lemkin - 30-11-2013 It is my opinion that Pitzer was murdered...he knew too many of the wrong things - such as Truth. http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer/homicide.html Marty Hay's Blog! - Albert Doyle - 30-11-2013 Martin Hay Wrote:PROVE he was there, Albert. I think it is reasonable to assume the majority of the evidence shows he was. At that point the question really is prove he wasn't. Why would Dennis David lie about this? With all due respect the Eaglesham material is weak tea and even admits there's nothing in it that disproves a classic CIA "suicide". I think it's dishonest to ignore Dan Marvin's witnessing. Wecht merely analyzed the wounds. CIA was quite expert at making covert murder injuries appear to be normal suicide wounds. People get carried away with sophistry in matters like these. They forget this matter would be quickly solved by sitting Martin Hay down next to eyewitness Dennis David and having him discuss his doubts with him. Marty Hay's Blog! - Martin Hay - 30-11-2013 Albert Doyle Wrote:Martin Hay Wrote:PROVE he was there, Albert. Nice side step, Albert. As soon as you find that proof, drop me a line. Marty Hay's Blog! - Martin Hay - 30-11-2013 Dawn Meredith Wrote:I thoroughly researched this many many years back. No clue where it is now. It was back when Alan E. was posting at EF. Dawn, I don't blame you for not wanting to get into a "pissing contest" with Wecht and MacDonnell. Losing is never fun. I'm not trying to rile anyone here (please remember that Albert was the one who bought this Pitzer garbage up), but too many conspiracy theorists are too happy to believe any little story that confirms their beliefs regardless of what the evidence actually shows. And, I'm sorry, but the Pitzer suicide is a prime example. There is a hundred times more evidence that Oswald shot JFK than there is that Pitzer filmed the autopsy and was murdered because of it. And yet we all rightly question the validity of the evidence against Oswald. Why the hell so many people can't apply those same standards to conspiracy stories and witnesses is beyond me. This is exactly why Harold Weisberg, being the intelligent man that he was, was so critical of the "conspiracy community". If you know of any evidence that invalidates the opinions of Cyril Wecht and Herbert MacDonnell then please do let me know. Until then, I will not buy into the "Pitzer was murdered" fable. Marty Hay's Blog! - Don Jeffries - 30-11-2013 Asking us to "prove" that Pitzer filmed the autopsy is akin to trying to "prove" there was a conspiracy. Those invested in their beliefs will always claim the evidence is suspect. I am shocked that Martin, or anyone else, would not be skeptical of everything that went on at Bethesda during the autopsy, including who was and wasn't "officially" there. I know this revisionist look at Pitzer's death, which was always included among the mysterious ones Penn Jones and others tabulated so many years ago, was started by Alan Eaglesham. I've exchanged cordial emails with Alan over the years, and have no ax to grind here. But I think this seems to be a personal thing with him, prodded on by his relationship with Dan Marvin. I think it's still likely that Pitzer was murdered, and Dennis David seems credible to me. Like so many parts of this case, we don't need Pitzer to have been murdered to demonstrate that a lot of witnesses died very conveniently. We also don't need it to prove conspiracy. But there is no reason to reject it out of hand, as too many researchers have done in recent years, with various aspects that once were considered primary indicators of conspiracy. And there certainly isn't "hundreds of times more evidence" that Oswald killed Kennedy. |