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Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 07-04-2009
Dr. Jones commented on http://www.911blogger.com about his and other's new paper, as follows:
"I predict that debunkers will mostly ignore the detailed results from the Differential Scanning Calorimeter, the two Figures with DSC plots, which show that the energy release from two chips in kJ/gram EXCEEDS the maximum output available from THERMITE alone.
And let's see if they address our evidence for NANO-thermite (as opposed to the straw-man arguments against ordinary thermite). In the past, NIST and others seem to have been incapable of acknowledging that we have evidence for super-thermite (nano-thermite), not just thermite!
Further, note that we do not yet have DSC analyses for the RED MATERIAL in isolation (with no gray material adhering). When that study is completed, I expect that the kJ/gram yield will be even higher (for the red material alone).
All these results demand explanation and determination of WHO made this material and WHO placed it in the WTC buildings."
Submitted by ProfJones on Sat, 04/04/2009
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 07-04-2009
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http://videnskab.dk/content/dk/teknologi/dansk_forsker_eksplosivt_nanomateriale_fundet_i_stovet_fra_world_trade_center&sl=da&tl=en
[admittedly, poorly translated by google. I read Danish, but don't think most of you will be able to....I don't have time to change termite to thermite and correct the text.]
Danish scientist: nano explosive material found in the dust from the World Trade Center
3. April 2009 kl. 21:04
World Trade Center crashed perhaps gravel because someone had placed combustible nano materials in the buildings, and not because the two aircraft was throbbing in them. Analysis of the dust after the WTC has just published a scientific article, including a Danish chemist.
By Thomas Hoffman
Asbestos and glass flew around New York streets when the Twin Towers collapsed after the attack on the World Trade Center 11 September 2001. Now it appears that these materials had company in the dust of højenergetisk material which might have melted the supporting structure of the Twin Towers. (Photo: Federal Emergency Management Agency)
It was apparently not only office equipment, walls and ceilings, which were pulverized and spread over large parts of Manhattan as the World Trade Center in 2001 was hit by two aircraft during a violent terrorist attacks against the United States.
The dust contained, according to a scientific article also traces of well-nanotermit - a custom-made material with so much energy that it can develop tremendous heat and be decidedly explosive (see box at the bottom of the article).
The chemical reaction forms the liquid metal, with temperatures around 2500 degrees Celsius may have melted the steel beams that were the core of the towers of the World Trade Center.
'Explosives into the World Trade Center'
The active nanotermit - also called supertermit - found by an international group through careful analysis of four different dust samples that were grouped together in Manhattan in New York in hours and days after the terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001.
The spectacular performance has just published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal - a peer-reviewed journal that is freely available online. Peer review means that the analysis and findings in the article has been reviewed and endorsed by professional practitioners.
One of nine authors of the article is Niels Harrit, Associate Professor of Chemistry Institute of the University of Copenhagen.
"This is a purely technical breakthrough. This is the first time ever showing at the highest scientific level, that there were explosives in the World Trade Center, "said Niels Harrit to videnskab.dk.
Controlled demolition
According to Niels Harrit matches found for recordings from 11 September of liquid metal flowing out of the towers just before they collapse. And it explains why many weeks later, still lakes of molten iron in the rubble of the towers.
While the discovery offers a logical explanation of why the 400-meter high towers could overthrow vertically with a speed close to free fall, although they usually held up by solid steel structures that were built to withstand such. conflicting aircraft.
"Observations indicate that there is one other used nanotermit, and results from our analysis is entirely consistent with the fact that it was a controlled demolition of the towers," said Niels Harrit, adding that the explosive-like mixture may have been planted in the buildings.
'Termites can not come from the two planes. Nanotermit be like other explosives placed extremely close to the main beams, while the detonation can be controlled electronically, "says the Niels Harrit.
Traces of many tonnes of termites
The group of authors have found such characteristic red / gray pieces ( 'chips') in all four dust samples were collected in New York immediately after the terrorist attacks 11 September. The red layers contain carbon, oxygen, aluminum, silicon and iron in a proportion according to the authors fit nanotermit. Splinter are magnetic. (Photo: Niels Harrit)
The most official study of the attack on the towers 11 September has not analyzed the ruins or dust for termites, or traces of explosives.
National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded in its report that the molten metal include aluminum from the two planes and that there is not reason to believe that there was any kind of explosives or similar in the two towers.
The authors are really another. In the scientific article telling that a dust sample from which all visible pieces of glass and concrete stored at 0.1% nanotermit. The authors points out that a number of samples before they can provide figures on the total content of dust from the World Trade Center - but, according to Niels Harrit it appears that many tonnes of unreacted termites "have been spread around in New York streets and apartments after the two towers collapse.
Good to destroy stock
Within the Danish military has a thorough knowledge of normal termites. Head of explosive ordnance disposal service, Michael Krogh, calling it "a bit of a relic of the Cold War. He says that termites are good - and is being used - to destroy the stock before it falls into enemy hands.
Michael Krogh unaware nano version, but he may just well imagine that it could be used to tear the building down.
When ordinary termites are roasted by forming microscopic balls of iron (picture left). The same kind of bullets were found in large quantity in all samples of dust from the World Trade Center (right). Combined with the discovery of red / gray splinters of the dust getting Niels Harrit to conclude that there "is an indispensable proof" that the termites were used to demolish WTC down. (Photos: The Open Chemical Physics Journal)
'Termites easily burn through steel and concrete with a few thousand degree temperature. The difficult thing is to get it to burn horizontally, as it is gravity that controls movement. But if you can get it to burn down through the inclined, you could probably get jerndragere to slip and thus destroy the structure, "assesses Michael Krogh.
'So we could get a little momentum in the building so that it moves a little in the way the Twin Towers collapsed on. Once a revival in some design elements, so it just continues to collapse. I could imagine it could be something, "says the Krogh Michael - he is before he becomes aware that the conversation is about just the Twin Towers and 11 September.
Michael Krogh adds that it is so extensive a project that we usually use small household shipments of explosives ready to put the process in motion.
Hard to keep secret
Terror Researcher Martin Harrow interest among others for the technical part of the terrorist acts. He says that terrorist attacks almost always performed with explosives of very poor quality "and that it is usually either homemade or cheap and commercially. Advanced explosives are difficult to obtain, is very expensive and are usually only used in the mines or the military. Therefore, he is skeptical because he has described nanotermit and told that it should be used in connection with 9 / 11.
MORE ABOUT NANOTERMIT
Nanotermit described in the articles online, including Entrepreneur.com and Wikipedia.
It is also mentioned in an article in Physorg.com about a possible new cancer treatment, invented by researchers in cooperation with the U.S. military.
"We expose themselves enormously much when doing things like this. When you consider how much an organization is doing to keep such a secret operation in advance, it becomes only more difficult if we are talking advanced explosives, "notes Martin Harrow.
After he has thought through the consequences suffered, he continues:
"When you think about the previous attacks by al-Qaeda, it sounds strange that they suddenly had to use many tonnes of sophisticated explosives. If one alternative is envisaged that an intelligence had to take the risk of being detected, while the smuggling hundreds of tonnes of explosives into ... No, it sounds strange in every way possible, "said Martin Harrow, PhD student at the Danish Institute for International Studies.
Can be normal dust '
Videnskab.dk tried to check the content of the article from independent researchers working in nanotechnology. Professor of inorganic chemistry from Jens Ulstrup Technical University of Denmark (DTU) know like the other sources not nanotermit, but he has skim through the article and determines that tests are made on the basis of 'very useful' tests in accordance with current standards. We have found 'the loaded gun'
- Niels Harrit
Similarly, his colleague at DTU, professor of microscopic Andy Horse Well. After a quick perusal doubt Andy Horse Well in return, that the article shows nanotermit in the dust.
'The authors show a content of ordinary minerals like aluminum and iron, which is not surprising in dust from a building fire. I would not be surprised if the measured chemical compositions came from any burnt, but I could be wrong, for I must stress that I do not know anything about either termites or nanotermit, "says Andy Horse Well, who is co-editor of the prestigious journal Materials Science and Technology.
Andy Horse Well adds that he is not wise to termites to read the article because it did not elaborate on the measurements or have independent international experts to address the issue.
Known skeptics
Niels Harrit and eight co-known as critics of the official reports about what caused the two towers and the more unknown building 7 next to collapse after the attack 11 September. Niels Harrit believes it can make the criticism of the article's conclusions is worse than usual.
READ ALSO
Interview with Niels Harrit: Scientific evidence of ancient knowledge of 9 / 11
'The critics of course will use against us. If you can not play ball, you attack the man. But we've made a criminal technical investigation on a scientific level, and the results may serve as technical evidence, if and when there will be a trial, "said Niels Harrit.
"We have found nano termites and if they are not used to tear down the towers, may ever be able to tell why and how they have ended up there," he said.
Videnskab.dk have spoken to a number of sources in English professional demolition companies, English Fire and Security Technical Institute, National Building Research Institute and Force Technology, a technological material producer - but nobody knows nanotermit. Force states that typically use termites to weld railway tracks, but no bids on why it should be found in a building.
Links
The article 'Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9 / 11 World Trade Center Catastrophe' doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Magda Hassan - 07-04-2009
Thanks for that Peter. I actually love google translations. Most of it is pretty good and far better than I can muster on my own. Some of it is a bit weird and the rest is just hilarious. Termite, hey?
I am looking forward to the excuses for this one. They'll be coming soon.
I often wonder what all the 'coincidence theorists' and fellow travelers will do if Darth Cheney every actually admits to any of this? Probably still keep to the party line.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Presland - 07-04-2009
I've just spent a couple of hours on the 911Blogger site trawling through comments since the original post last Friday. Some good stuff with Prof Jones chiming in a lot himself. There are some preliminary attack skirmishes, with the most credible - though strictly preliminary, tentative and of the 'seeking further information' variety - from Dr Frank Greening. Greening published a technical rebuttal of Gordon Ross's well known 'Momentum Transfer Analysis' paper a couple of years ago. My guess he will seek to undermine this study on technical grounds too since his real speciality is chemical engineering. Prof Jones is welcoming his attention though and positively inviting expert technical analysis and criticism.
The real nub of the new paper's findings is that there is a large quantity of very high tech nano-technology material of military-grade explosive power (rather than standard demolition HX) present with what amounts to a near DNA type signature that should render it traceable with near 100% certainty given the resources to do so. My preliminary judgement is that they really are onto something big here.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Presland - 07-04-2009
Further to previous post, Prof Jones also says that he detects signs of a mood sea change among university faculties on 9/11 research too - and he's heartened by it. With any luck this will give a kick start to reviving the whole issue again. There have been a significant number of Top-level Executive and Military office-holder changes (not least the Presidency) so, whilst the US State Department and Military have a lot invested in 'The Official version', the power of those leading the cover up must surely be weaker than it was. We can but hope.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 07-04-2009
Magda Hassan Wrote:Thanks for that Peter. I actually love google translations. Most of it is pretty good and far better than I can muster on my own. Some of it is a bit weird and the rest is just hilarious. Termite, hey?
I am looking forward to the excuses for this one. They'll be coming soon.
I often wonder what all the 'coincidence theorists' and fellow travelers will do if Darth Cheney every actually admits to any of this? Probably still keep to the party line.
Oh, A guy from Brazil has posted it is paint and that they didn't test all types of paint, etc.....if you need a laugh [you know where to find it...]
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Lemkin - 07-04-2009
Peter Presland Wrote:Further to previous post, Prof Jones also says that he detects signs of a mood sea change among university faculties on 9/11 research too - and he's heartened by it. With any luck this will give a kick start to reviving the whole issue again. There have been a significant number of Top-level Executive and Military office-holder changes (not least the Presidency) so, whilst the US State Department and Military have a lot invested in 'The Official version', the power of those leading the cover up must surely be weaker than it was. We can but hope.
Don't mean to be a pessimist on this, but hope for what? The officials will never IMO admit the truth on this or Dallas or Iran Contra or Savings and Loan or current Economic Collapse and all the covert ops in between. They can NOT - the entire system upon which they feed would collapse. WE the People might not mind the CHANGE it would bring - and huge change that would be!...but since all current pols and people in power would no longer be - or be in prison or on the run, they can not, will not and will go down fiighting - my own personal belief willing to suspend the Constitution, and put all 'protestors' in prison camps; call out the military and Xe etc. throughout the USA to keep what they have. Sorry to say. All we can hope for, really, is a peaceful revolution bottom-up. Top-down you can forget about it!......not even an investigation, no change - only PR and re-arranging deck chairs on the US Titanic, IMO.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Presland - 07-04-2009
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Don't mean to be a pessimist on this, but hope for what? The officials will never IMO admit the truth on this or Dallas or Iran Contra or Savings and Loan or current Economic Collapse and all the covert ops in between. They can NOT - the entire system upon which they feed would collapse. WE the People might not mind the CHANGE it would bring - and huge change that would be!...but since all current pols and people in power would no longer be - or be in prison or on the run, they can not, will not and will go down fiighting - my own personal belief willing to suspend the Consitution, and put all 'protestors' in prison camps; call out the military and Xe etc. throughout the USA to keep what they have. Sorry to say. All we can hope for, really, is a peaceful revolution bottom-up. Top-down you can forget about it!......not even an investigation, no change - only PR and re-arranging deck chairs on the US Titanic, IMO.
Well Peter, I have to say I agree with pretty much all of that. Investment in the official narrative and the righteousness of the epoch-changing foreign policy and military initiatives it underpins is just so vast as to render it absolutely sacrosanct to the Western Power Elites. In similar fashion to the orthodox religious creeds of old, effective high-profile dissent will continue to be life-threateningly dangerous to the dissenter unless he can be effectively ridiculed or otherwise marginalised. I have always maintained that the USA could not survive official confirmation that it is a false narrative and so, short of the dissolution of the USA, the official narrative will stand no matter how overwhelming the evidence of its absurdity.
That said, I also believe that the continued existence of the USA as a unitary State together with its 'Empire' of subservient states (the UK chief among them) can no longer be taken for granted. The confluence of threats posed by climate change, population growth and peak just-about-everything (especially Oil/Gas) have brought humanity to a pretty unique pass right now and there is no guarantee how the chips will fall, other than that there is likely to be serious and vicious repression to maintain an increasingly untenable status-quo. My hope (forlorn though it may be) is that the 9/11 Truth movement may succeed in providing bit of a push to the process because that's probably about all we can hope for.
My general attitude to our predicament these days is probably best summed up by Dmitri Orlov in 'Re-inventing Collapse' which I heartily recommend as a laser accurate and very funny book by a perceptive ex-patriot Russian. His blog is worth a visit too
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Charles Drago - 07-04-2009
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Oh, [a] guy from Brazil has posted it is paint and that they didn't test all types of paint, etc.....if you need a laugh [you know where to find it...]
I believe that the "guy from Brazil" referenced by Peter, along with being a real person, is a cover identity for disinformation agents who have thoroughly penetrated the forum on which they post under his name.
This is the same cover identity whose real-life father was intimately involved in the genocide conducted by Big Tobacco.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe - Peter Presland - 07-04-2009
This is the latest comment from Steven Jones posted earlier today and addressing some of the attempted debunks to date. It reinforces my earlier expressed opinion that this is a very significant development. Its headed "What you need to know about peer review"
Quote:
Since the days of Sir Isaac Newton, Science has proceeded through the publication of peer-reviewed papers. Peer-review means a thorough reading and commentary by "peers", that is, other PhD's and professors. This paper was thoroughly peer-reviewed with several pages of tough comments that required of our team MONTHS of additional experiments and studies. It was the toughest peer-review I've ever had, including THREE papers for which I was first author in NATURE. (Please note that Prof. Harrit is first author on this paper.) We sought an established journal that would allow us a LONG paper (this paper is 25 pages long) with MANY COLOR IMAGES AND GRAPHS. Such a scientific journal is not easy to find. Page charges are common for scientific journals these days, and are typically paid by the University of the first or second author (as is the case with this paper) or by an external grant.
A peer-reviewed journal is also called a "refereed" journal. Peer-reviewers are almost always anonymous for scientific publications like this -- that is standard in the scientific world. While authors commonly recommend potential peer-reviewers, editors usually pick at least one or two reviewers that the authors did NOT mention -- and that is the case with this paper.
Debunkers may raise all sorts of objections on forums, such as "Oh, it's just paint" or "the aluminum is bound up in kaolin." We have answered those questions in the paper, and shown them to be nonsense, but you have to read to find the answers. I may also provide answers here and in emails, often quoting from the paper to show that the answers are already in it.
Here's what you need to know (especially if you are not a scientist): UNLESS AN OBJECTOR ACTUALLY PUBLISHES HIS OR HER OBJECTION IN A PEER-REVIEWED ESTABLISHED JOURNAL (yes that would include Bentham Scientific journals), THEN THE OBJECTION IS NOT CONSIDERED SERIOUS IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. YOU SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT NON-PUBLISHED OBJECTIONS EITHER.
So how do you, as a non-scientist, discern whether the arguments are valid or not? You should first ask, "is the objection PUBLISHED in an ESTABLISHED PEER-REVIEWED JOURNAL?" If not, you can and should say -- "I will wait to see this formally published in a refereed scientific journal. Until then, the published peer-reviewed work by Harrit et al. stands. "
BTW, there also has been no PUBLISHED REFEREED paper yet that counters either the "Fourteen Points" paper or the "Environmental Anomalies" papers we published last year.
IF it is so easy to publish in Bentham Scientific journals, or if these are "vanity publications" (note: there is no factual basis for these charges) -- then why don't the objectors write up their objections and get them peer-reviewed and published?? The fact is, it is not easy, as serious objectors will find out.
Our results have passed the gauntlet of peer-review (including in this case, review at BYU consistent with the fact that there are two authors from BYU).
We say that this paper has the "imprimatur of peer-review". That is a significant breakthrough. You cannot say that of big-foot or Elvis sightings... We are now in a different world from such things, the world of the published scientific community. CAN YOU APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENCE? I hope so. And this is what has our opponents so worried IMO...