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Head Shot at z230? - Drew Phipps - 16-11-2014
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:I don't think you quite follow what I am saying here, Drew.
The problem with the large exit hole in the right rear of JFK's head is this. How would a bullet entering the right temple, just inside the hairline, and exiting the right rear of the head manage to break all of JFK's facial bones? .
You are assuming that a bullet hit him in the head fired from the front. There is another commonly held belief.
Let me ask you a question: Does the ammunition/scenario you have described REQUIRE an additional shot to the head, coming from the front, to explain all the wounds on JFK's head?
Head Shot at z230? - Bob Prudhomme - 16-11-2014
Drew Phipps Wrote:Bob Prudhomme Wrote:I don't think you quite follow what I am saying here, Drew.
The problem with the large exit hole in the right rear of JFK's head is this. How would a bullet entering the right temple, just inside the hairline, and exiting the right rear of the head manage to break all of JFK's facial bones? .
You are assuming that a bullet hit him in the head fired from the front. There is another commonly held belief.
Let me ask you a question: Does the ammunition/scenario you have described REQUIRE an additional shot to the head, coming from the front, to explain all the wounds on JFK's head?
Pretty much. How else can you explain broken facial bones and a large gaping wound in the right rear of the head?
Head Shot at z230? - Drew Phipps - 16-11-2014
Ok. Thank you for explaining that.
Head Shot at z230? - David Josephs - 17-11-2014
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:I just had a crazy, or maybe not so crazy thought. We have all been so brainwashed by the SBT that it has affected our ability to think outside of the box.
As JFK emerged from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign, in the Zapruder film, he was clearly in distress and his hands are seem moving toward his throat. Then, at about z230, he clearly experiences something else. His arms go up, his head almost seems to whip slightly to the rear and his whole body appears to move forward.
With the first bullet disintegrated in the top of his right lung, what if the event at z230 is a bullet entering his skull just to the right of his external occipital protuberance ?
No exit wound, you say? Why does there have to be an exit wound?
In my next post I will lay out the evidence that led me to contemplate this possibility.
Hey there Bob...
Not necessarily a headshot at 230... If what we feel is true about the shooting, that there were at least 3 of them, and that they were coordinated to fire simultaneously I think we can consider a frontal throat shot and the upper back shot as happeneing very close together....
Appears to me that he is reacting to his throat wound as he emerges and is hit in the back not long before or right at 230... We really must stop thinking 3 shots and realize that there were quite a few more than that which found their marks and disappears to history at the hands of the SS or FBI.
Head Shot at z230? - Drew Phipps - 18-11-2014
It certainly looks to me as if JFK is fighting to breathe for many frames after z-230, so I'd have to go with "no exploding head shot at that time", since that would almost certainly stop his visible struggling within a frame or two. He might be losing consciousness as his hands begin to drop at z 255.
I am not implying that I believe that the Z film is an accurate representation of the assassination, but if you cite the Z film in support of a position...
Head Shot at z230? - Michael Cross - 18-11-2014
Looking at David's GIF I am reminded that IF Zapruder was filming at 18 FPS, then a bullet would be traveling approximately 110 feet per frame . . .
Which means ANY delay in reaction between JFK and Conally is enough to refute the SBT.
Even at 48 FPS a bullet is traveling around 40 feet per frame . . .
Didn't meant to get this thread off track. I've always interpreted JFK's movements as reacting to a throat shot followed closely by the shot to the back. As I pantomime it sitting here in my office, I suppose a downward force from a shot to the head could cause the elbows to rise as seen in the extant film.
Head Shot at z230? - Albert Doyle - 19-11-2014
Edit: Ooops. Mistook frame for second. Carry on.
Head Shot at z230? - Gordon Gray - 19-11-2014
I have always felt that the initial shot struck JFK in the throat, followed quickly by the shot to the back. I also believe Bob's explanation works for several shots to the head occurring almost simultaneously at or around Z313. It think the Z film has been altered here to remove evidence of a shot striking him from the rear and driving him perceptibly forward.