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Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - Ed Jewett - 13-06-2009
It took me quite a while to work my way back to this thread ... I had significant computer problems and had to delay my membership ... and I quite agree that this whole mess can be as replete with misinfo and disinfo as any other ... my apologies if my 'crap detector' was low on batteries at any given moment.
The subject is of interest to me given my background and experience in emergency medical services, tabletop war games, mass casualty incident management and planning, emergency management and its exercises, and related simulation gaming applications.
I wrote two proposals, numerous articles and one white paper in the field. One of the proposals resulted in the development of "Incident Commander" by BreakAway Games. I was also the SME for the design of a "virtual exercise distributed to desktop", designed to help civilians manage the breakout of 'bird flu' in Georgia (USA) funded by DARPA with input from the USDA -- project killed).
The 57-page white paper "Coalescing Effective Community Disaster Response: Simulations and Virtual Communities of Practice" was posted in full for the month of March 2006 at the International Associaton of Emergency Managers website.
The white paper was written immediately post-Katrina after a long-term provocative telephone conversation with a physician who informed me of the importance of a 'cytokine storm' in the outbreak of a human flu pandemic, what it was, how it is treated, why it is so deadly, who it will kill, et alia. When asked -- in a public forum for people in the field about how to prepare for such an outbreak -- about the syndrome and why pharmaceutical firms weren't being asked to develop a potent drug to counteract the massive fluid overload of the lungs in such a 'storm', a leading public health official, a physician, said he'd never heard of the syndrome, and couldn't answer my question(s). So, should you see reports of young healthy people dying in large quantities in ICU's [is that what's happening down under now, Magda?], then you know you have a pandemic on your hands.
Anyway:
This, yesterday, via the LA Times (direct source) and Citizens for Legitimate Government (indirect source):
"Kathleen Sebelius, the new secretary of Health and Human Services, said May 22 that the department would devote nearly $1 billion toward vaccine development and manufacturing. The department has already placed orders with five manufacturers for $650 million worth of antigen and $287 million worth of adjuvant, Schuchat said.
The Department of Defense has also awarded development money and contracts for vaccine."
Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - Magda Hassan - 13-06-2009
Quote:The white paper was written immediately post-Katrina after a long-term provocative telephone conversation with a physician who informed me of the importance of a 'cytokine storm' in the outbreak of a human flu pandemic, what it was, how it is treated, why it is so deadly, who it will kill, et alia. When asked -- in a public forum for people in the field about how to prepare for such an outbreak -- about the syndrome and why pharmaceutical firms weren't being asked to develop a potent drug to counteract the massive fluid overload of the lungs in such a 'storm', a leading public health official, a physician, said he'd never heard of the syndrome, and couldn't answer my question(s). So, should you see reports of young healthy people dying in large quantities in ICU's [is that what's happening down under now, Magda?], then you know you have a pandemic on your hands.
Not so far Ed. There are about 1,200 cases in Melbourne Victoria and the rest of the country has just a few in other states but not too many. Footballers being the main form of transmission here at the moment apparently . No deaths, few hospitalizations and mostly just quarantine. A few schools closed. The government here seems keen to down play the seriousness of it saying things along the line of it just the numbers infected not a sign of the intensity of the virus. People are being asked not to visit Melbourne if they can avoid it and when they return are to stay home for a week to see if there are any symptoms. Strangely, they are letting in 15,000 US service personnel for war games though even if that is an excellent form of vector distribution as we saw in the 1918 outbreak. The show must go on I suppose as there is money and prestige at stake and we all know that is more important than peoples health and well being. Chile, on the other hand, has about the same amount of infections but has 3 deaths and much more hospitalizations. This could be from the generally poorer living conditions there, US style medical establishment, and the usually appalling air pollution at the best of times. Or it could be that Latinos are more affected by this strain. :bandit:I'd be interested to know the ethnic backgrounds of those 28 who have died in the US and the 4 in Canada.
Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - David Guyatt - 17-06-2009
My Sis sent me the following link which if true - and if someone has the time it wold be worth investigating if it is true (cynicism tells me to be cautious) this story really rock and rolls:
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/case-about-bird-flu/
Quote:Charges filed with the 1st part translated into English
By birdflu666
Overview
CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST
BAXTER AG,
BAXTER INTERNATIONAL AND
AVIR GREEN HILL BIOTECHNOLOGY AG,
FOR DEVELOPING, MANUFACTURING, DISSEMINATING, AND RELEASING A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION
ON AUSTRIAN SOIL BETWEEN DECEMBER 2008 AND FEBRUARY 2009
Read more at the above link...
Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - Magda Hassan - 17-06-2009
It's true David. I posted it on the DPF a while ago.
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=940&highlight=baxter
I am glad they are being prosecuted. Probably get a slap over the wrists though as is usual for this type of crime.
Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - David Guyatt - 17-06-2009
Thanks Magda. Must have missed your post in one of my peregrinations to other parts of these Islands.
Mexican Swine flu anyone?
Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - Brian Anderson - 19-06-2009
This is a chilling and sobering thread. Recently Dr. Donald Scott published his twelve year study entitled Aids: The Crime Beyond Belief. His thesis is that the co-factors that go to make up AIDS are a mycoplasma and the visna retrovirus. This deadly cocktail was engineered in US biowarfare labs and then vectored in small pox vaccines in
Africa and hepatitis vaccines among the gay communities of New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles. The CIA's MK(Monkey Kidneys)Ultra was the umbrella for numerous subprojects up until LBJ and at that time it was moved into the "respectable" Cancer research programs.
Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - David Guyatt - 19-06-2009
Brian Anderson Wrote:This is a chilling and sobering thread. Recently Dr. Donald Scott published his twelve year study entitled Aids: The Crime Beyond Belief. His thesis is that the co-factors that go to make up AIDS are a mycoplasma and the visna retrovirus. This deadly cocktail was engineered in US biowarfare labs and then vectored in small pox vaccines in
Africa and hepatitis vaccines among the gay communities of New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles. The CIA's MK(Monkey Kidneys)Ultra was the umbrella for numerous subprojects up until LBJ and at that time it was moved into the "respectable" Cancer research programs.
In respect to this Tim Sebastian's novel "Ultra" is well worth reading.
Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - Ed Jewett - 20-06-2009
From simuvac's blog at 911blogger:
http://www.military.com/news/article/army-lab-finds-9200-uncounted-vials.html?ESRC=eb.nl
June 18, 2009
Associated Press
HAGERSTOWN, Md. - An inventory of deadly germs and toxins at an Army biodefense lab in Frederick found more than 9,200 vials of material that was unaccounted for in laboratory records, Fort Detrick officials said Wednesday.
The 13 percent overage mainly reflects stocks left behind in freezers by researchers who retired or left Fort Detrick since the biological warfare defense program was established there in 1943, said Col. Mark Kortepeter, deputy commander of the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.
He said the found material included Korean War-era serum samples from patients with Korean hemorrhagic fever, a disease still of interest to researchers pursuing a vaccine. Other vials contained viruses and microbes responsible for Ebola, plague, anthrax, botulism and host of other ailments, Kortepeter said in a teleconference with reporters.
[There is more, but the host server is down.]
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Citizens for Legitimate Government previously reported:
9,200 uncounted vials found at Army biodefense lab 18 Jun 2009 An inventory of deadly germs and toxins at an Army biodefense lab in Frederick found more than 9,200 vials of material that was unaccounted for in laboratory records, Fort Detrick officials said Wednesday. The 13 percent overage mainly reflects stocks left behind in freezers by researchers who retired or left Fort Detrick since the biological warfare 'defense' program was established there in 1943, said Col. Mark Kortepeter, deputy commander of the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hhFqMtXh4EkNNwL76wOXweOjVihAD98SLV100
9,200 potentially deadly Fort Detrick pathogens possibly missing --FBI investigators concluded that Fort Detrick probably was the source of the anthrax spores used in the deadly mailings of 2001. --Ebola virus, anthrax bacteria, botulinum toxin, hemorrhagic fever and others 'not accounted for' 18 Jun 2009 An inventory of potentially deadly pathogens at Fort Detrick's infectious disease laboratory found more than 9,000 vials that had not been accounted for, Army officials said yesterday, raising concerns that officials wouldn't know whether dangerous toxins were missing. After four months of searching about 335 freezers and refrigerators at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in Frederick, investigators found 9,220 samples that hadn't been included in a database of about 66,000 items listed as of February, said Col. Mark Kortepeter, the institute's deputy commander.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hhFqMtXh4EkNNwL76wOXweOjVihAD98SLV100
9,200 potentially deadly Fort Detrick pathogens possibly missing --FBI investigators concluded that Fort Detrick probably was the source of the anthrax spores used in the deadly mailings of 2001. --Ebola virus, anthrax bacteria, botulinum toxin, hemorrhagic fever and others 'not accounted for' 18 Jun 2009 An inventory of potentially deadly pathogens at Fort Detrick's infectious disease laboratory found more than 9,000 vials that had not been accounted for, Army officials said yesterday, raising concerns that officials wouldn't know whether dangerous toxins were missing. After four months of searching about 335 freezers and refrigerators at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in Frederick, investigators found 9,220 samples that hadn't been included in a database of about 66,000 items listed as of February, said Col. Mark Kortepeter, the institute's deputy commander.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/17/AR2009061703271.html
[Is transparency is suddenly the new buzzword down in the Beltway?]
Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - Ed Jewett - 20-06-2009
From http://whatreallyhappened.com/ :
FDA Threatens to Seize All Natural Products that Dare to Mention H1N1 Swine Flu
In an effort to censor any online text that might inform consumers of the ability of natural products to protect consumers from H1N1 influenza A, the FDA is now sending out a round of warning letters, threatening to "take enforcement action... such as seizure or injunction for violations of the FFDC Act without further notice."
"Firms that fail to take correction action," the FDA warns, "may also be referred to the FDA's Office of Criminal Investigations for possible criminal prosecution for violations of the FFDC Act and other federal laws."
http://www.naturalnews.com/026473_the_FDA_H1N1_natural_products.html
Bird Flu as a Weapon? A Bit of History of Biological Weapons - Jan Klimkowski - 20-06-2009
You vill open your mouth wide open and swallow OUR medicine.
Your medicine is VERBOTEN.
How long before Blackwater/Xe aka Manchurian Global start enforcement work for the FDA's Office of Criminal Investigations?
On a costs-plus contract and with complete legal immunity from prosecution for their own criminal acts....