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Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - Scott Kaiser - 21-10-2015
It is not an opinion, but a fact. The Zapruder film is the most crucial piece of evidence which helps dissect the assassination, and prove the [fatal] head shot came from somewhere other than the rear. There's is so much talk going on about well, in the original Zapruder film you see the cars turn the corner onto Elm St. and because we don't see that it's a fake, can someone explain to me how Kennedy's head explodes at 313? Is that faked too, that would mean our government has been lying to us all this time and Kennedy is really alive and well somewhere.
Simply without the Zapruder film, it would not compliment or corroborate any of the witnesses of whom many contradict themselves. The single most important 30ft piece of the entire roll lies between frames 312-317, so, if the rest of the entire roll was missing, and all that was left were frames 312-317 to understand Kennedy's body motion as it translates how it reacts upon impact, in my opinion, these frames are the most crucial frames of all as they interpret where the fatal shot came from. I believe that is the single most important piece of evidence that helps display the argument over the fake x-rays, drawings and cartoon animations that simply trumps the SBT.
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - Michael Cross - 21-10-2015
Scott, with all due respect, you simply are making claims which no longer can be supported.
Time to do some research:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y6RaDmG0hs
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - Scott Kaiser - 21-10-2015
Okay, so there is factual incompetence on the part of splicing of the film, why in Gods name would someone want to splice the film in the first place makes no sense, and because someone makes the accusation of the film being stretched horizontally, people will generally believe what they're told. I seem to have a problem with that because Veronica who is a leading expert at Matson Film does not believe the film is stretched, but does believe the film is spliced. However, there is no splicing or foul play at the most crucial part of the entire film, and that is at the moment of the fatal shot, meaning there are no alterations of the film between z313 and z317. If there is one frame missing, or one frame stretched, or one frame altered that has absolutely no adverse effect to the most crucial part of the frame, do you consider the entire film to be unreliable? I wonder if there are any real experts here in how 8mm film and super 8 works?
::headbang::
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - Scott Kaiser - 21-10-2015
^^Edited.
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - Michael Cross - 21-10-2015
Watch Costella's entire lecture.
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - David Josephs - 21-10-2015
Quote:However, there is no splicing or foul play at the most crucial part of the entire film, and that is at the moment of the fatal shot, meaning there are no alterations of the film between z313 and z317. If there is one frame missing, or one frame stretched, or one frame altered that has absolutely no adverse effect to the most crucial part of the frame, do you consider the entire film to be unreliable? I wonder if there are any real experts here in how 8mm film and super 8 works?
The absoluteness inwhich you make your declarations of non-alteration just screams "I don't know what the @# I'm talking about"
Scott... you have no idea what was or wasn't done between 12:30 11/22 and Monday morning the 25th...
What I do know is that tracing these films is nowhere as easy as you would expect it to be. There are many more than a few frames missing between 300 and 345...
One last point Scott... the FBI and SS placed the final shot 40 feet further down Elm than the Zfilm shows it. And the first shot a good 50 feet farther up Elm than the Zfilm shows.
CE884 is the SS version of a shot 40 feet further down Elm. From what information would the FBI have concluded the final shot was where Leo Gauthier put it here on this model, at the foot of the stairs
And how can 2 shots be fired between the FBI's shot 2 & 3 unless the limo was barely moving.... the Zfilm does not show a sub 3mph speed as it needed to be for that and Hill to have reached the limo in the 3 steps he takes...
You'll need to do better than just saying so Scott... I can prove over and over the inauthenticity of that film...
Can you prove it authentic?
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - David Healy - 21-10-2015
Drew Phipps Wrote:Hah hah, that's funny, you're telling me you looked at a poorly digitized film clip under a microscope to get your "proof"?
and what "proof" might that be?
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - Scott Kaiser - 22-10-2015
Quote:One last point Scott... the FBI and SS placed the final shot 40 feet further down Elm than the Zfilm shows it. And the first shot a good 50 feet farther up Elm than the Zfilm shows.
And, how does the Zfilm measure in distance feet, and yards exactly?
David Healy,
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other than the rear to be exact.
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - Brian Castle - 22-10-2015
David Josephs Wrote:The extant film is in no less than 7 pieces.
It does NOT have 0183 stamped anywhere on it.
It has over 40 feet of film spliced together when 1 side of film is 30 feet max
0184 is never accounted for yet is referred to in Max Phillips' note to Chief Rowley when he sends what he claims is a 3rd copy, yet he does not give Zapruder more than the original when we know he had a "best copy" that is given to Stolley on Saturday.
Hi David - wow, that's superb, thank you for posting that. I've never seen it summarized so neatly.
There is an interesting angle to this, which is that in Altgens 6 you can clearly see two Secret Service guys looking backwards and up to the right, towards the top of the TSBD.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that this activity is completely missing from the Zapruder film. There is no point at which those two SS men look backwards and up to the right, the same way they do in Altgens 6. At 18-ish fps, there's no way such a thing could happen "between frames", the human body isn't that fast. It's possible then, that this activity is in the missing "turn sequence" which has been taken out of the z-film.
It seems to me, that one of the number one priorities would be to remove any evidence that indicates "more than three shots". And, almost equally, anything that would indicate shots from anywhere but the rear. It seems to me that the turn sequence issue might fall into the former category. People argue about whether the Z-film shows Connally getting hit by a separate bullet, in my opinion it does (perhaps for some reason they couldn't remove that part, or maybe they didn't know when the Tague story came out, ha ha). However then, an additional shot causing an obvious SS reaction would perhaps indicate yet another shot that would have to be accounted for. The first shot was the "surprise" shot, yes? People said it sounded like a firecracker (loud and noticeable), so if anything would cause an orienting reaction it would be that first shot.
The behavior of those SS men in the Z-film is kind of odd, it's... unnatural, somehow. Either it's out of sequence or they've perhaps mucked with the action in the car so it's in a different place (time-wise) than it should be.
But all these things, raise serious doubts about that film, and then when combined with the actual chain of custody which we can now approximate, it casts so many shadows on this particular evidence that it becomes almost useless in terms of real analysis. I wouldn't bother, for instance, calculating any timing based on that film, there's just too much evidence of alteration, rendering any such analysis rather pointless. Or the "direction of the shots"... they're clearly showing us what they want us to see, and the rest they've managed to obscure somehow.
Officer Chaney, there's another good one. He says he rode up to Curry's car before they got to the underpass, and that activity appears nowhere in the Zapruder film. There's just too much of this stuff...
Proof the fatal shot came from somewhere else other then the rear - Drew Phipps - 22-10-2015
Brian:
The SS guys looking backward in Altgens 6 are in the follow up car, which is not visible in zapruder 255. The SS guys in the presidential limo are looking forward in both altgens 6 and z 255.