Scott Kaiser Wrote:Here's an even better question for the intergalactically stupid, of the 636 times they tried to assassinate Fidel Castro who ordered it? Or, was it just planned by his assassins? SMH....

Lauren Johnson Wrote:I think it reasonable to view Nelson Rockefeller along with Allen Dulles as the keys to connecting the sponsoring class with the mechanics. Dulles headed up the ad hoc bureaucracy to plan the murder and, just as importantly. the cover up. Rockefeller with Dulles would be the perfect people to connect elite industrial and banking families with the CIA and the military.

Quote:I see the Cubans, the Mafia and the right wing Texans as false sponsors and a source of personnel for the hit and other jobs. After all, they could never have pulled off the cover-up and they were also essential in setting up the patsy with a credible legend.

Quote:LBJ? Hoover? No opinion, but very possibly they had been alerted. If not, they knew who was behind it within hours.

Peter Lemkin Wrote:However, even Garrison did not think Shaw's role nor that of Permindex was central. Permindex and its larger umbrella organization, however, had direct connections with the CIA and other entities / persons who were more centrally involved.

Phil Dagosto Wrote:Of course they knew. Why else would they have initiated the manipulation of the physical evidence and the scrubbing of Oswald's school, work and military records within 24 hours of the assassination in order to merge the multiple assets using the LHO identity into the guy that was actually in custody. Both LBJ and Hoover had to suspect, if they weren't already aware, that Oswald was being set up by someone connected to US intelligence, after learning that the photos and voice recordings of "Oswald" at the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City did not correspond to the person arrested in Dallas. They sure couldn't have believed the story about Soviet/Cuban involvement that they used to sell the cover up. Why would the Soviets or Cubans want to create a link between a guy they hired to kill Kennedy and visits to their embassies?

Jim Hargrove Wrote:..............
......reality under the rug within hours of the hit was simply breathtaking and unnatural. What do you think?

Quote:http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105-82555/105-82555%20Section%20098/98c.pdf
.pdf pg. 3:
A photograph of JOHN CAESAR GROSSI,
also known as JACK LESLIE BOWEN,
Federal Bureau of Investigation, Identificatiiii -
Number 3,96J,794, was obtained from Wheat Photo Studios, Bryan
Street at Peak, Dallas, Texas, on June 21, 1956, by SA iAT A.
PINESTON, the photograph hiiing been made in April, 1956.

On interview July 6, 1956, the following description of
JOHN CAESAR GROSSI
was obtained from observation and questioning:
......
also known as
Jack Leslie Bowen
........
...Wife Lucille RYDER BOWER (now pregnant).

Quote:https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bbirth_year%3A1956-1957~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Alucille~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aryder~

Glenn Lewis Bowen
Texas Birth Index
Name Glenn Lewis Bowen
Event Type Birth
Event Date 11 Oct 1956
Event Place Dallas, Texas
Gender Male
Father's Name Jack Leslie Bowen
Mother's Name Fleta Lucille Ryder http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=29053767

Quote:https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22dixie%20may%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Aryder~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1951-1957~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Alucille~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aryder~
Texas Birth Index
Name Dixie May Ryder
Event Type Birth
Event Date 10 Nov 1951
Event Place Dallas, Texas
Gender Female
Mother's Name Fleta Lucille Ryder

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Agypsie~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1941-1965~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Afleta~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aryder~
Texas Birth Index
Name Gypsie Lucille Ryden
Event Type Birth
Event Date 17 Dec 1946
Event Place Dallas, Texas
Gender Female
Mother's Name Fleta Ryder

Quote:http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=29053767
.....She married Roy Lee Mantooth December 13, 1963, in Albany, Texas. He preceded her in death on March 10, 1979.
.....At time of death she was survived by one son, Glenn Lewis Mantooth.....

Quote:http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/ryderschmidt.htm
.......
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember talking to any newspaper reporters at any time the next day or the day after that about this whole story?
Mr. RYDER. Well, they were all over the place the next day---on Friday--Friday and Saturday.
Mr. LIEBELER. But you still take the position that you had nothing to do with the original story that came out and you never talked to the newspaper reporters prior to the time the story came out in The Dallas Times Herald?
Mr. RYDER. Right.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any idea where they got the story?

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Mr. RYDER. I still don't know--I kind of felt like where they got it was over the radio---originally---I don't know. The CBS boys said that they got it off of the Associated Press wires, is how they got it, or over the AP.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, it is not the ordinary practice, of course, for the Commission to advise witnesses what kind of an investigation it has made in connection with this thing, at least, not until the report comes out, but I think you ought to know that as a result of the existence of this gun ticket and the story that you told the FBI and the Commission, the FBI has attempted to find every Oswald in the whole Dallas and Fort Worth area and the surrounding area and it has found many of them and it has questioned all of them, some of whom have moved out of Dallas and Fort Worth, as to whether or not they ever had any work done in that gunshop, and you should know that none of them ever did, and you should also know, and I think you probably do by now, that Lee Oswald could not have had any scope mounted on the rifle that he used to assassinate the President in your shop, and in fact, I don't think you claim you did mount that particular scope?
Mr. RYDER. That's right. We have claimed that it wasn't that one. On the Monday after, well, it was the Monday of the funeral of President Kennedy, that Mr. Horton came out and I thought at that time I had it cleared with him that I hadn't mounted the scope on the gun he used to assassinate the President.
Mr. LIEBELER. That you had not?
Mr. RYDER. That we had not.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you weren't able to remember Lee Harvey Oswald's face as being the face of the man who had previously been in that shop: isn't that right?
Mr. RYDER. That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you couldn't associate any specific gun or any specific man with that particular work ticket; isn't that right?
Mr. RYDER. Right.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any possible suggestions as to where that work ticket could have come from if it appears, and it certainly does appear that no other Oswald came in there and there is no evidence of any sort to indicate that Lee Harvey Oswald ever had any other rifle than the one he used to assassinate the President, and he never brought that one in the sports shop?
Mr. RYDER. All I know is that we had the ticket laying on the workbench back there and I had written it up and completed the work on it and the gun had been picked up. Now, as to whether it was Lee Oswald, I couldn't positively identify him or if there was another one out there right now I could not identify anybody if they said they did bring it in.
Mr. LIEBELER. And to the best of your recollecttion, you wrote that gun ticket sometime in the early part of November; is that right?
Mr. RYDER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you are certain that you wrote it up before November 22?
Mr. RYDER. Right.
Mr. LIEBELER. But you are not able to associate that particular ticket with any particular gun in your own mind?
Mr. RYDER. That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER. I also recall that when I asked you questions about this before, you indicated that possibly we could fix the date on which this ticket had been written because you had written it with a pencil and you said you remembered you had gone to Dallas on that particular day, and that you used a pencil to get some materials from a wholesale shop. Of course, the FBI, as you now know, has gone and has found out every day that you ever went to Dallas to get gun materials and asked you if you could identify the time and the date by reviewing this list of materials that you got from the wholesale house in Dallas and you weren't able to associate it with any particular day you used a pencil.
Mr. RYDER. Right; he had 2 or 3 days there that he showed me some copies--actually, he gave he some dates that I came to town and signed and there were 2 or 3 days there in that period that I had. Signed with a pencil, and it could have been that some of those days I had a pencil laying handy and I just picked it up rather than taking my pen out of my shirt.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you be surprised if the Commission concluded, after this

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investigation that the FBI conducted and the questioning that we have done, that there was never any man in there by the name of Oswald with any gun at all?
Mr. RYDER. Yeah--like I said--all I've got is that ticket with his name on it and the work being done.
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, at this point I think we might as well conclude the deposition. The Commission will take under advisement Mr. Schmidt's request to have a polygraph examination administered to him, and I am advised by one of the U.S. attorneys here that one of the other reporters over at the newspaper does remember the conversation and we will take his deposition tomorrow. If you want to have a polygraph examination administered to you, after reflecting on this, or if you have anything further to say about the whole thing, contact Miss Stroud here at the U.S. attorneys office, if you want to.
Mr. RYDER. Okay. Is that all?
Mr. LIEBELER. Yes; that's all. Thanks a lot, Mr. Ryder.

TESTIMONY OF HUNTER SCHMIDT, JR. ........

Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Eatherly#Later_life
.....Later life

Eatherly left the Air Force in 1947 as a major and recipient of the Distinguished Flying Cross, and worked at an oil company in Houston, Texas where he became a sales manager for a Mobil gasoline station.[clarification needed] Consumed by guilt, he attempted suicide by drugs in a hotel in New Orleans, but he survived and was treated in Waco, Texas in a psychiatric hospital for soldiers. His mental condition slowly deteriorated.[citation needed]

Jerome Klinkowitz, in Pacific Skies: American Flyers in World War II, writes:

Shortly after leaving the Air Force in 1947, Eatherly took part in arrangements for a raid on Cuba by American adventurers hoping to overthrow the government; here the former weather pilot's responsibilities would involve a flight of bomb-laden P-38 Lightnings obtained as war surplus. The plot was uncovered, and Eatherly was arrested and prosecuted, serving time in jail for this offense.....

Quote:http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/ON-ECONOMICS-How-Kennedy-Assassination-2958771.php
ON ECONOMICS: -- How Kennedy Assassination Affected Some Stock Prices
JONATHAN MARSHALL Published 4:00 am, Monday, November 18, 1996
.....................

Quote:Wedding Bells for Robert McNamara (washingtonpost.com)

www.washingtonpost.com › Print Edition › Style


The Washington Post


Sep 8, 2004 - McNamara will wed his Italian-born sweetheart, Diana Masieri Byfield, next week in a ceremony in Italy. This is the second marriage for both.
.....to Ernest Byfield, a former OSS officer and public relations executive.

Quote:Remembering Roger Ebert's Record of Integrity and Courage vs. Kupcinet's Towing the Line

Submitted by Tom Scully on Sat, 04/06/2013 - 15:52
Irv Kupcinet and Roger Ebert were columnists at the Chicago Sun-Times with overlapping careers of nearly 20 years. Ebert considered Kupcinet a close friend, despite this disconnect.:
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/kup-vs-jfk/Content?oid=881114 ( Kupcinet's conflicted "background": http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16754 )
Kup vs. JFK - Chronicle of a Columnist's Obsession - By Jim Kielty - Year In Review archives » December 24, 1992
In an essay on the Oliver Stone film JFK, published a month after his laudatory review in the Sun-Times, Roger Ebert wrote: "Never in my years as a newspaperman have I seen one subject pummeled so mercilessly and joylessly as this movie that questions the official wisdom on the assassination of John F. Kennedy."

Ebert didn't have to look far to find the chief Chicago-area pummeler: his Sun-Times colleague Irv Kupcinet has repeatedly used his column to flail JFK, Oliver Stone, and anyone else who has dared to challenge the findings of the Warren Commission report.....