(09-04-2024, 07:42 PM)Brian Doyle Wrote: You're a troll Mr Ford, as your trollish answers above show...You ignored the elbow-length sleeve in Owens matching the elbow-length sleeve on Prayer Man...You can't do that and still be credible...

On the contrary, Mr. Doyle, I haven't ignored the so-called elbow-length sleeve in Owens (Who is Owen & and What are you talking about?)

The only problem here is a lack of moderation to remove you from further trolling serious posts...

Trust me, Mr. Doyle, don't humour yourself, IF your posts were indeed serious, the exemplary moderation here on this site and elsewhere would have no issue with addressing me and/or anyone else if deemed necessary to do so sir. 

Recently someone (Davidson?) noticed that there was a clear frame in Darnell...Davidson used his digital filters to enhance the clearly-seen female dress neckline on Prayer Man in that image...If you go to my Prayer Woman Facebook page you will see that I even found the bottom edge of that same neckline in Murphy's more blurry Prayer Man frame from Darnell...That neckline and bare female chest skin is in both images and is a done deal...The Prayer Man people are using their corrupted control to ignore this and they are tolerating trolls like yourself...The research community doesn't want to admit the embarrassing fact that it went to mob mode when it banned me in 2016 for refuting Prayer Man...That mob is still in charge...

Please don't use Mr. Davidson's name in vain, because IF Mr. Davidson (Chris) had indeed noticed, quote, a clear frame in Darnell, unquote, he would do the honourable thing akin to the exemplary researcher he is and immediately shared his indisputable evidence that Prayer Man is indeed a female. Ask yourself why he hasn't done that, Mr. Doyle? Answer: You are making that frame "clear" to fit your self-serving narrative, nothing more, nothing less. Sarah Stanton isn't a male figure, Mr. Doyle, no matter how much you huff and puff sir. 

Sandy Larsen was appointed moderator on the Prayer Man-only Education Forum because Gordon knew he would back-up his Prayer Man bullshit dependably...

I disagree, Mr. Doyle, Has it ever occurred to you that Mr. Larsen (Sandy) inherited his duties due to his lengthy tenure as a member in good standing? Nothing more, nothing less, IF he was promoting your Sarah Stanton fantasy you wouldn't have any issues with him. Truth is, Mr. Doyle, you have a hard time admitting when you are wrong. Sarah Stanton isn't a male figure nor did she stand in his position atop those entrance steps to the TSBD. 

Kathy Beckett is a research non-entity and is only good for teasing the unfairly banned in order to bolster her social media relationships...She has no research skill or resume...She is the type who would let herself be used as an excuse to prevent a cracking of the case and isn't credible...You'll never see Beckett say "Don't ban that obviously important evidence on my account" and that is the main problem here...

On the contrary, Mr. Doyle, Ms. Beckett has more research acumen than you care to admit. 
I get that that's a fact that doesn't align with your fantasy about what you yourself deem as "important evidence". There was a time when I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, initially reasoning that you cared more about where the actual evidence would lead in this case as opposed to crafting phantom "evidence" to fit your self-serving narrative. 

Until next time, Mr. Doyle, I leave you with this quote from a man and musician you admire, in the hopes you care to listen & learn more moving forward as the JFK Research Community dares to shed light, truth and justice in this 60+ yrs old mystery surrounding the untimely death of a duly elected representative of the People on Friday, November 22, 1963...

"Knowledge speaks, but Wisdom listens" -- Jimi Hendrix

(11-04-2024, 06:02 PM)Brian Doyle Wrote: On the contrary, Mr. Doyle, I haven't ignored the so-called elbow-length sleeve in Owens (Who is Owen & and What are you talking about?)



It is always a mistake to give the dignity of a response to a troll however, the Owens Film image of Sarah Stanton exiting the Depository after she was questioned is seen in the linked Education Forum post...Morissette thinks Owens was 2 hours after the shots...The first thing that should be noticed is the fact Stanton is hugging the west wall of the portal in her exit - just like she did when she was standing in that same spot during the assassination...Stanton liked that spot and she stood in it on both occasions...She was probably waiting for a ride home...

Read the respective Commission Exhibit 1381 statements of Mrs. Sanders & Mrs, Stanton. Let those factual statements sink in, Mr. Doyle.

If you observe Morissette's linked thread you will see that he posted the images and asked for discussion from two of the main Prayer Man people...He never got any response from them because they were well aware that the new Owen's Film images of Sarah Stanton disproved Prayer Man...The Prayer Man people suddenly got gun-shy and did not respond to the proof Morissette was showing them...You see, when you have dirty moderators covering for you you don't have to respond to the proof you were calling for that disproved you...When you use banning to remove the people who posted it you don't have to respond to the correct evidence you were calling for...The Morissette thread shows that the Education Forum strategically uses censorship and banning to avoid recognition of correct evidence...The only reason I am being kept off the Education Forum is because the crook administrator there knows that if my evidence is given the place it has earned that their favored Prayer Man theory will be refuted and that crook Gordon is not going to allow that to happen as long as he has the banning knife at the throat of his members...

No comment, as I'm not here to point fingers at anyone, my goal from the start (May, 2014) is simply to let the facts/truth fall where it may. Don't put words in the mouths of Mrs. Sanders and Mrs. Stanton, Mr. Doyle, stand down.


While the Education Forum is full of technical experts like Chris Davidson and the Rube Goldberg analyst Andrej Stancak you will notice that none of them made any attempt to apply their photogrammetry to the Owens Film image of Stanton...They avoided it because they are fully aware that if they do a size and shape technical analysis of Stanton in Owens that she will perfectly match Prayer Man in Darnell...Especially in girth and height...Even Morissette didn't have the backbone to follow-through on his own proof and the opposition's cowardice and he meekly withdrew from his own thread...That asshole Gordon comes in with thundering threats and hopes you don't notice that him and his fellow crooks couldn't let Morissette's thread slide to oblivion fast enough...Morissette didn't get DiEugenio's click count with that one...

Mr. Davidson and Mr. Stancak are exemplary researchers, Mr. Doyle, you can learn a lot from them. 


If you look at the second frame Morissette posted from Owens you can just make out an elbow-length sleeve on Stanton where her skin is clearly divided from her dress sleeve...Compare this to the sleeve length on Prayer Man and it perfectly matches...

Or. Could it simply be that Prayer Man's sleeves are rolled up? C'mon, Mr. Doyle, you are researching again. 


Even though Gordon pretends to be interested in enforcing "correct evidence procedure when told" with life banning you'll notice that Morissette's technical proof was ignored by himself and he allowed Roger Odisio to post the wrong evidence on the Education Forum after they buried Morissette's thread...The Prayer Man people have hijacked the Education Forum so they use their dirty moderators to help slide the threads that refute Prayer Man off the board while lying about the reason for the banning of those who proved it...

Facts, Mr. Doyle, please refrain from making false accusations/conjecture when you don't get the responses your narrative wants. 


The Prayer Man people are desperately trying to avoid Owens...Even though the Prayer Man people did lengthy painstaking analysis of the Prayer Man photography on other films and photos they didn't touch the Owens Film at all and did nothing on it...No one is going out and looking for better frames from Owens and Davidson is not applying any of his digital enhancement processes on it to bring out more features...No one is looking for an Owens frame that shows the female dress neckline seen in Darnell...The only thing Gordon offers to account for the abject cowardice and dishonesty of the Education Forum's members is to say my nonsense would no longer be tolerated and I would not be let back on the EF (even though I offer by far the best analysis that settled the issue)...And, of course, there is no comment from "keep your record clean for Gordon" Sandy over all this or what the punishment would be for dirty moderating and member abuse...

Oh, dear
For the love of G-d, please read Mrs. Sanders' & Mrs. Stanton's factual statements, Mr. Doyle. 


Alan Ford is a sick nut and a troll...He might even be Duncan MacRae himself...So I seriously doubt he'll give any other response to this conclusive evidence besides the obnoxious trolling he has already posted:

Lol! No offense to Mr. MacRae, Mr. Doyle, but where I appreciate the Scottish and their homeland, I'll stick with the Irish clan. 

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28397-help-needed-with-a-photo-andrej-davidson/#comment-482788

In good faith and in fairness to you, Mr. Doyle, I will click upon the link and review the material and make a response as early as next week. 

(11-04-2024, 07:02 PM)Brian Doyle Wrote: Answer the Owens Film Mr troll...

My responses via Bold: The Owens film does not represent any semblance to Mrs. Stanton. Lest you forget, Mr. Doyle, Mrs. Stanton's grand-daughter (W****) & I shared email exchanges. In one of those exchanges she shared pictures with me of Mrs. Stanton. The Owens film doesn't align with the excessive weight of Mrs. Stanton in 1963, nor does it align with her large girth and her expansive forearms either.  A bit of advice, not that you will take it, stop forcing the "evidence" to fit your self-serving narrative. 

You can't get away with intentionally-misrepresented statements to get out of answering the firm proof in Owens...

Both Mrs. Sanders (Pauline) and Mrs. Stanton (Sarah) spoke the plain simple truth, Mr. Doyle, you are the only one intentionally misrepresenting the actual facts to align with your anything but the truth agenda. 

You are quoting witnesses out of context...Those people are talking about where Stanton was standing 5 minutes before the shots...At the time of the shots Frazier made clear that "heavy-set" Stanton was over in the Prayer Man position...We know this because we can see Prayer Man pivot towards Frazier from the Wiegman Film to the Darnell Film...This was at the exact moment that Frazier said Stanton turned to him to tell him "I think she (Calvery) said the president has been shot"...Lovelady also confirmed this when he said that when the limousine passed the front steps that Stanton was "next to me to the far right of the entranceway"...You are trollishly ignoring this in order to intentionally misquote the witnesses and you shouldn't be allowed to do that on this site...The Hughes Film shows Prayer Man in the same spot Lovelady said Stanton was in at that time...The photo evidence also disproves you because if Stanton was to the left of Frazier, like you falsely quote, then we would clearly see her in Altgens because Altgens shows everything to Frazier's left in clear detail...She ain't there...She's "deepest in to the shadows" in the Prayer Man spot where Frazier more than clearly put her...

There is nothing "heavyset" about the lone male figure standing alone there on the West side of the entrance steps to the TSBD, Mr. Doyle, moreover, by her own admission Mrs. Stanton shares with anyone willing to listen to her truth that she stood with quite a few others on the East side of the entrance steps to the TSBD. Why do you find it so difficult to simply let the facts stand where they may? The truth is what you should seek, not your phantom fairytale of playing musical chairs with the actual evidence amid your make-believe "evidence". 

"I could not see the President's car at that time ."

Duh, unless anyone else on those steps were as tall as Buell Wesley Frazier they would have a hard time seeing the President's car. Not to mention, in her own words, Mrs. Stanton shares that she was grouped with quite a few others on the East side of the entrance, which reasonably could have easily blocked her view. 

The position to Frazier's left over by Pauline Sanders can see the limousine at the time of the shots...The Prayer Man position cannot and is blocked by the west wall of the portal...The Prayer Man trolls are so warped by their cult-like belief that they don't even realize when they are proving my evidence...

Oh, dear @ your "proven evidence". You don't even know when you are contradicting your own self, quote,  "over by Pauline Sanders", unquote (both women shared that they stood together on the East side of the entrance steps, so one of them cannot be over in Prayer Man's position on the West side of the entrance. 

And we haven't even mentioned the clearly-seen female dress neckline seen on Prayer Man in Darnell that the Education Forum moderators buried...
If I was moderator, and you contemptuously ignored the Owens Film proof like you are doing above, you would be gone...

Thank goodness the exemplary moderation here and elsewhere is vested only in facts, Mr. Doyle, not a contrived, self-serving narrative amid desperation to prove a woman who clearly states on her own accord that she was nowhere near Prayer Man's position clearly across from her over on the opposite side entrance steps. Facts matter, Mr. Doyle, in spite of your huffing & puffing to the contrary. 

(12-04-2024, 06:38 PM)Brian Doyle Wrote: Alan Ford wrote:
" The Owens film does not represent any semblance to Mrs. Stanton. Lest you forget, Mr. Doyle, Mrs. Stanton's grand-daughter (W****) & I shared email exchanges. In one of those exchanges she shared pictures with me of Mrs. Stanton. The Owens film doesn't align with the excessive weight of Mrs. Stanton in 1963, nor does it align with her large girth and her expansive forearms either.  A bit of advice, not that you will take it, stop forcing the "evidence" to fit your self-serving narrative. "

You're nuts. The figure seen hugging the west side of the Depository front entrance is conclusively Sarah Stanton...You aren't credible if you think you can get away with not answering the fact that no member of the public would be allowed to stand in that position if they didn't have a reason to be there with all the cops you see in the same image...The person Morissette showed in Owens is very definitely Sarah Stanton and it is when she was allowed to leave after being interrogated on the second Floor...Morissette thinks it is 2pm...Wanda Daniel will most certainly confirm this despite Mr Ford's obnoxious trolling...

Wrong, A-G-A-i-N...

Mrs. Stanton (Sarah), may she Rest in Peace ---->

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/152413470/sarah-juanita-stanton

perhaps Mr. Doyle will cease using her good name as a candidate for an otherwise MUCH thinner male (the Prayer Man) figure. 

Even though you lie and say the figure doesn't represent Stanton anyone can see it is clearly Stanton from her white hair and chubby-ness...If you observe this link you will see the figure in Owens perfectly matches Stanton and shows her face on that woman and maybe even the same dress:

https://ibb.co/pnjvXWj

When was your last eye exam, Mr. Doyle, you are reaching again. 

The moderators on the JFK internet reserve the dirty trick of allowing obvious trolls like Alan Ford to chew you alive unopposed even though they are committing outright trolling like denying the woman in Owens is Stanton...Those moderators allow trolls like Ford to come in and troll that the woman isn't Stanton and then stand back and say nothing...There is no credible moderation or Peer Review on the Kennedy internet...
I cannot proceed when the opposition is allowed to lie and troll that the woman in Owens isn't Stanton...
Even though the Prayer Man people regularly post technical analyses on the Prayer Man photography they avoided doing so with Owens because they realized the woman in Owens would perfectly match Prayer Man in height and shape...Morissette was asking Davidson and Stancak to do such an analysis in his thread title and they declined...So much for "obeying correct evidence procedures when told"...

On the contrary, Mr. Doyle, the moderators are only interested in facts, not conjecture, gross assumptions, etc. amid a self-serving agenda sir. 

Larsen and Gordon dishonestly ushered that thread off the board as quick as possible and did not take responsibility for what it showed...

Or. Could it simply just be your broken-record has run its course, Mr. Doyle, facts matter sir. 

The JFK internet is organized around deliberate, strategic censorship and ignoring and isn't based on objective recognition of evidence...The clique...

Oh, dear

There you go again, attacking others when the real issue lays elsewhere. What part of facts matter don't you seem to get, Mr. Doyle? Why are you so desperately trying to put a female name to a male figure? Mr. Murphy (Sean) prophesized about researchers like you waaaay back in 2013. He was right then and he is right now. His brilliance/legacy lives on. When it came to the identification of Prayer Man, Sean had this to say, quote, "It's Him", unquote. Sarah Stanton is Not, Prayer Man, Mr. Doyle, she didn't even stand in Prayer Man's position on those front entrance steps. By her own volition she states she was on the opposite side of those entrance steps, her words, Mr. Doyle, not mine. Facts matter.