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Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - Magda Hassan - 08-09-2009 Here is the transcript: http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/SibelEdmondsDeposition_Transcript_080809.pdf And here is the video: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7374 Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - David Guyatt - 08-09-2009 Sibel Edmond's story is everything - and a lot, lot more besides - I had anticipated when I first began reading about her in regard to 911. Simply put this is a gigantic story and the attitude of the MSM is astonishing in its complicity in not reporting it. I'm going to have to settle down and watch all her BradBlog taped depositions. Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - David Guyatt - 08-09-2009 Am I correct in saying (garnered from the deposition transcript) that the Congresswoman who was blackmailed via a recorded Lesbian "honey trap" is Jean Schmidt? Or have I got this wrong? Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - Magda Hassan - 22-09-2009 'American Conservative' mag's description of interview with previously-gagged FBI whistleblower as 'explosive' may prove to be a gross understatement Blackmail, bribery, infiltration, theft and sale of nuke secrets by Turkey, Israel explained in clearer detail than ever before... On Friday, we reported on the coming exclusive American Conservative cover story interview with formerly-gagged FBI translator turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds by quoting the magazine's own teaser description of the piece as "explosive". Over the weekend, we received an embargoed look at the final version of the AmCon interview by former CIA officer Phil Giraldi, and yes, "explosive", may be a vast understatement. At least if the U.S. corporate media bothers to notice it this time. It seems it may be difficult to not notice it, given that Edmonds finally names, on the record, for the first time, in a right-leaning periodical founded by Pat Buchanan, the identity of the currently-serving Democratic Congresswoman she has previously described as married with grown children and having been "hooked" into participating in a lesbian affair with a Turkish foreign agent, as she was secretly video-taped for blackmail purposes. Edmonds has alluded to the Congresswoman, without naming her, in the past, most notably in her recent sworn and video-taped deposition in the Schmidt v. Krikorian case now pending before the Ohio Election Commission. In that testimony, she did manage to name the names of other Congress members she had previously identified publicly. At the time, we (and virtually no other media outlets) reported on her disclosures that Dennis Hastert (R-IL), Bob Livingston (R-LA), Dan Burton (R-IN), Roy Blunt (R-MO), Stephen Solarz (D-NY) and Tom Lantos (D-CA, deceased), were all participants in blackmail and/or bribery schemes by and with agents of the Turkish government, as she became aware while translating wiretaps in the FBI's counterintelligence division after 9/11. Some of those crimes are said to have resulted in the theft and sale of nuclear weapons technology to allies and enemies alike. In her 8/8/09 D.C. deposition, she discussed, for the first time on the public record since being previously gagged by the Bush Administration's use of so-called "State Secrets Privilege" (twice), details of what she heard while reviewing and translating wiretaps of Turkish agents who were targets of a long-running FBI investigation centered out of Chicago, but extending far beyond. In addition to specific details on allegations of serious wrongdoing by the Congress members mentioned above, as well as State and Defense Department officials such as Marc Grossman, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, Edmonds had offered details, during the deposition, about a Democratic Congresswoman who is "married with...grown children, but she is bisexual." "So they have sent Turkish female agents," she testified, in her sometimes-broken English, according to the transcript [PDF]. "And that Turkish female agents work for Turkish government, and have sexual relationship with this Congresswoman in her townhouse actually in this area, and the entire episodes of their sexual conduct was being filmed because the entire house, this Congressional woman's house was bugged." She went on to add that she hadn't used her name in the past because she left the FBI before knowing whether or not the information was actually used against the Congresswoman to blackmail her, or if the woman had even been made aware of it. "I don't know if she did anything illegal afterwards," Edmonds said. In Giraldi's AmCon interview, Edmonds again repeats that she doesn't know if the Congresswoman "ever was actually blackmailed or did anything for the Turkish woman", but she does name her name this time... The Congresswoman in question, according to Edmonds, is Illinois' 9th-district Rep. Jan Schakowsky. The BRAD BLOG has attempted to contact Schakowsky's office over the weekend, but they have yet to return several calls and emails seeking comment. We will, of course, update this story if we are able to receive comment. Edmonds says in the Giraldi interview that "in 2000 ... Turkish agents started gathering information on her, and they found out that she was bisexual." A female Turkish agent is said to have "struck up a relationship with her", and then, following the death of Schakowsky's mother, the woman is said to have attended the funeral "hoping to exploit her vulnerability." "They later were intimate in Schakowsky's townhouse," Edmonds tells Giraldi, "which had been set up with recording devices and hidden cameras." The reason for attempting to get at Schakowsky, Edmonds believes, is so that they would be able to get both her "and her husband Robert Creamer to perform certain illegal operational facilitations for them in Illinois," along with Hastert, who was already on the payroll, and several other Chicago officials. Edmonds has previously disclosed some of Hastert's dealings with shady Turkish operatives. Many of those charges were originally detailed in a 2005 Vanity Fair exposé by David Rose, which focused on the allegations of payoffs to Hastert by the Turks to the tune of some half a million dollars, or more. Schakowsky's husband, lobbyist Robert Creamer, was indicted on 16 counts of bank fraud in 2004. In 2005 he pleaded guilty to one count and was sentenced to five months in prison and 11 months of house arrest. He was released from the federal penitentiary in 2006. Since leaving Congress, Hastert, as Edmonds points out to American Conservative, and as previously reported, now works as a registered lobbyist for the Turkish government for some $35,000 a month. Schakowsky is a member of the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where she is a member of the Subcommittee on Intelligence Community Management and the chair of the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigation. A Metastasized National Security Cancer Some more details from the interview in a moment, but I want to note that Giraldi's interview is exceptional and brings together a great deal of the entire breadth of Edmonds' long-quashed allegations in a simple, clear, cogent, easy-to-understand (even for beginners to the story) narrative. He's done an excellent job in that regard, and Edmonds told me over the weekend that she believes it was due to his own knowledge of the topic, from both his years of covering her story at various times, as well as his own inside knowledge as a counterintelligence officer at the CIA, working a similar beat. The exclusive interview lays out the details of what can be described as nothing short of a national security cancer that has metastasized throughout the U.S. government, to the covert monetary, military and strategic intelligence benefit of our allies and enemies alike. Edmonds is more specific than even in her recent deposition, in explaining what she's been disallowed from talking about publicly for so long. She names very specific names, describes massive government infiltration and the theft of weapons technology and nuclear secrets beginning at the very top of government (the State Department and top White House officials and appointees) going through Congress (at least half a dozen current and former members) and defense contractors (RAND), through Ph.D. programs (MIT) and highly-classified nuclear facilities (Sandia, Los Alamos) and even, for good measure, through the media (New York Times) and beyond. She discusses a well-organized foreign intelligence black market superstore, benefiting everyone from treasonous U.S. officials to operatives and governments in Turkey, Israel, Pakistan, Iran, Libya, al-Qaeda and beyond. "No one has ever disproved any of Edmonds's revelations, which she says can be verified by FBI investigative files," Giraldi notes in the opening of his nearly-4,000 word article/interview. "As Sibel herself puts it," Giraldi writes, "'If this were written up as a novel, no one would believe it.'" Bingo. And shy of investigation from other media and/or law enforcement, that could still remain the case, even after AmCon's exclusive. Where any of her allegations may be untrue or in accurate, given the exceptional gravity of them, it would be nice if the media investigated if only to disprove them. If they can. Or, otherwise, corroborate them with other sources. Virtually all of the mainstream corporate media outlets who have bothered to investigate her story over the years --- largely before Edmonds was able to speak out herself --- such as CBS' 60 Minutes, Vanity Fair, Sunday Times of London (front-page series here, here and here), etc. --- have almost all been able to find corroboration from various sources, including within the FBI, for the allegations. It remains both astounding and alarming that almost all of those same media have now stopped dead in their tracks from continuing to dig, investigate and report. As we've pointed out many times before (and so does Giraldi), an unclassified FBI Inspector General's report, released on her case in 2005, declared many of Edmonds' classified allegations to be "credible," "serious," and "warrant[ing] a thorough and careful review by the FBI." In 2002, Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Patrick Leahy (D-VT), then the ranking members of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, co-wrote letters on Edmonds' behalf to Attorney General John Ashcroft, FBI Director Robert Mueller, and DoJ Inspector General Glenn A. Fine, calling on all of them to take action in respect to her allegations. In 60 Minutes' 2002 report Grassley says about Edmonds: "Absolutely, she's credible...And the reason I feel she's very credible is because people within the FBI have corroborated a lot of her story." In the next week or so, we hope to offer still more corroboration from an FBI source concerning her allegations. At right is a brief 2007 video compilation by Edmonds expert Luke Ryland, featuring everyone from Grassley to Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) to "Pentagon Papers" whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg to even Paul Newman singing her praises. More Details from the American Conservative Exclusive Among the other new and key allegations fleshed out in the Giraldi interview, in addition to the disclosure concerning Schakowsky:
Edmonds went on to found the non-partisan National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC) in August of 2004, "comprised of current or former federal employees or civilians working under contract to the United States who, to their detriment or personal risk, bring to light fraud, waste, and abuse in government operations and agencies when such improprieties compromise the national security of the United States." Giraldi's article in The American Conservative should be on newsstands and on the Internet, in full, at their website by Tuesday. * * * http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7427 Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - Ed Jewett - 22-09-2009 [size=12]I think this whole tale is ripe pickins for the DPF crowd. I'm still largely an untried and unvetted newbie in this bidness, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this whole long tale smells like a very well put-together, very subtle bit of disinformation. There is an awful lot of what she alleges and says that seems coherent and consistent with what is known (gosh, I hope I don't start sounding like Donald Rumsfeld here), but I just have this little gnawing sense in my gut that something is wrong. This stems in part on the basis of who, in the outer world and in other discussion forums, advances the case and keeps drawing attention to it, as if there is something there that they want us to pick up on, drive, or believe. It makes for some very intriguing stuff... which makes it somehow even more suspect. My sense is that the real accurate deep stuff is more plain and less Hollywood. I think also, speaking as a newbie and from a bit more distance than the more experienced folks here, that the art of this science (or the science of the art) from their perspective keeps evolving; they keep learning ( we've already seen that they have 'lessons learned' meetings and are students of deep strategy e.g. the OODA loop), and they keep tightening their internal feedback loop. So I leave it to you all to say 'there, there, Ed... you have it wrong, and here's why'; otherwise, I'm still in the watching-and-waiting queue. [/SIZE] Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - David Guyatt - 22-09-2009 Thanks for the above Magda. I think it was important to get the Congresswoman’s name on the record. Quote:Details about how the Bush Administration, including officials such as Douglas Feith, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, were "discussing with the Turkish ambassador in Washington an arrangement whereby the U.S. would invade Iraq and divide the country" between the U.S., Great Britain, and possibly Turkey, some four months before 9/11 occurred. Old news I know, but well worth re-stating the fact of the utter nonsense of the official cover story about 911 being the reason. Quote:"The epicenter of a lot of the foreign espionage activity was Chicago." Hence the involvement of Hastert and Schakowsky, all of which leaves Edmonds with many concerns about Illinois' former U.S. Senator Barack Obama and his current Chief of Staff, the former U.S. Congressman from Chicago, Rahm Emmanuel. This one is a new “Wow!” observation. If true it would go some way to explain why the US MSM won’t touch this story with a barge-pole, as it could seriously jeopardize the next Four-year/Eight-year plan of the Elite. And then we have this: Quote:Edmonds further details what she had briefly discussed with me on air in June, during an interview I did with her while guest hosting the nationally syndicated Mike Malloy Show, in which she had said she was aware of the "intimate relationship with Bin Laden and the Taliban ... all the way up to September 11," 2001 by certain forces in the U.S. Whatever the operations were with bin Laden --- actually "'bin Ladens' plural" as she clarifies to Giraldi --- Edmonds notes that "Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent" and that the U.S. was "100 percent" aware of the deal. "From Turkey," she says, "they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and weapons went one way, drugs came back." The Bingo! statement. Now we can understand the context of all those drugs used and run by one Mohamed Atta, Willy Hilliard and Dutch Flight School owners. That Jeb Bush arived on the scene the day after 911 to impound the records of the Flight School clearly suggest that Marc Grossman was merely the “face” - catspaw - of the Bush family. Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - Charles Drago - 22-09-2009 Ed, Your stance regarding the Edmonds affair reflects keen instincts and both the ability and the willingness to learn from history. If indeed Ms. Edmonds is a mole (QJ/LINGUIST?) implanted deep within our extended community, then the operation supporting this penetration (Cunning Linguist?) has been handled masterfully. To be clear: I am not suggesting that such is the case. Rather, I am commending you for maintaining a cool head and a deep political perspective. Then again ... All of us in the Junior G-Man program must understand that the most difficult challenge before us is to differentiate between aurum and iron sulfide. Currently I'm reserving judgment on Ms. Edmonds. But I am leaning -- noticeably -- in one direction. Charlie Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - Jan Klimkowski - 22-09-2009 The "American Conservative" magazine is a very strange choice for Sibel Edmonds to get her message out. I can only hope it's because Pat Buchanan's loathing of the neocons means his house journal is prepared to publish her allegations. For a sense of how the rag fits in to the geopolitical spectrum, wiki gives a useful intro: Quote:The American Conservative (TAC) is a monthly (formerly biweekly) U.S. opinion magazine founded in 2002 by Scott McConnell, Pat Buchanan, and Taki Theodoracopulos. The magazine is edited by McConnell and published by Ron Unz. TAC represents a traditionalist, anti-war and paleoconservative voice against the dominance of what it sees as a neoconservative media establishment. It also has ties with paleolibertarians and libertarian conservatives although in 2005, the TAC has been critical of libertarianism as it has been described by Robert Locke as 'the Marxism of the Right' where it supports mass immigration, degenerate practises and economic greed.[1] In 2009 Reihan Salam wrote that it had "gained a devoted following as a sharp critic of the conservative mainstream."[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Conservative Some of Sibel Edmonds claims, such as those highlighted by David G above, are most intriguing. However, the "lesbian sex blackmail scandal" allegedly involving Democratic Rep Schakowsky seems like an invitation for MSM to focus on some essentially irrelevant but titillating element whilst conveniently ignoring mass treachery by politicians and business/political entities. Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - Ed Jewett - 22-09-2009 Thanks, CD. And thanks to Jan for a bit of illumination on the Buchanan article. Buchanan's "podium" for the Edmonds tale is indeed one of the tidbits that tiqueled my intuitive eyebrow twitch, as well moreso with some of the frequent civilian "pundits" who, it now appears, were perhaps taking their cues from him or one of the other paleo-conservatives. (Gosh, it seems to me that the political spectrum is becoming a whole lot less linear, no longer even five shades to either side of center, but more an adventure in pointillism. I am still trying to figure out how to label my own views. I do know that the convention and platform meetings in my political organization will be limited in size, and likely entertaining, fun, serious, informative, sober, and filled with wit.) (I did suggest to Magda some type of dinner get-together; I am envious I won't get to Dallas.) I am also curious as to what TAC considers libertarianist "degenerate practices" given the whole national backdrop of MK-Ultra, torture, purposeful upheaval of sovereignty, human trafficking, arms sales, murder squads, the 101st Tequila Brigade, trans-national trafficking in deadly and addictive drugs, stealth theft in twelve figures, and the rest of the lot. Libertarian freedoms would seem to pale because they are personal in nature, not full governmental practice. I fully agree as well with Jan's perspective that the pandering and titillation aspects seem like "an invitation for MSM to focus on some essentially irrelevant but titillating element whilst conveniently ignoring mass treachery by politicians and business/political entities". That's the major tiqueler right there. Sibel Edmonds Speaks! - Magda Hassan - 22-09-2009 I think she chose the magazine because of the interviewer, Phil Giraldi, whom she knows and trusts. He has been interviewed by her on the 'Boiling Frog' radio podcasts. He is ex CIA and has worked for this magazine for some time and is also a whistleblower and a member of the Nat. Sec. Whistleblowers Assoc. So the trust between them had a lot to do with the fact that it ended up in that magazine. I suppose there may have been a idea that by publishing in such a conservative magazine her views will become legitimated by a certain section of the population. Let's face it the silence from the MSM is deafening. |