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Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Myra Bronstein - 13-09-2009
Bernice, in your attachment from The Case for Conspiracy there's a photo of the sidewalk on North Elm, and the caption: "A probably bullet mark appeared on the sidewalk to the Southwest of the depository..."
Do you know where on the sidewalk that mark appeared? I can't even find it on Don's map.
I attached the latest version of my DP map to give reference points.
Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Bernice Moore - 14-09-2009
Last evening, I turned on the TV and video footage of a store robbery was shown. It involved shooting from hand-guns, with a surprising amount of smoke. Hence,when LNRS SAY THERE WAS No smoke from the TSBD nor possible smoke from the GK that says much…
RE: smoke tower
For your consideration--visible rifle smoke?
1966, Charles Whitman shooting from Tower at the University of Texas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd8XilYCP2k&feature=related
About 4:05 into the video.
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MYRA I WILL LOOK THAT UP IN SHAW'S COVER-UP THAT IS WHERE THE INFO IS FROM ALL I RECALL IS I BELIEVE IS IT WAS NEAR A PARKING SIGN......ALSO I KNOW I HAVE THE INFO TYPED
OUT ABOUT THE WITNESSES WHO REPORTED IT..THAT WENT WITH THE ORIGINAL PHOTO IN THE PAPER I BELIEVE ..A FEW YEARS AGO SOME WENT LOOKING AND FOUND SOME MARKS BUT LAST YEAR NONE....B:motz:
Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Bernice Moore - 14-09-2009
ALSO.......Gary Shaw and Larry Harris,information.....They speculated and worked on what they called The fourth shot, that
they found hit Governor Connally...
from the roof of the Records Bdg.......they followed Z frame 289.....and did a trajectory study of the wound in his back..
They felt that the hit on Connally was later than critics were willing to
concede..They found that the position of his body,and the angle studies they completed,of the shot was from the
southwest corner of the roof of the County Records Building on the Eastern edge of Dealey Plaza..
It was said that a member of the Sheriffs Dept. was at this location with a rifle during the assassination. Even though
Sheriff Bill Decker had informed his deputies that they were to take no part in the Presidential security.
"Dep.Sheriff Pat Boyd told Roger Craig that two weeks prior to the assassination , he ( Boyd) had built a silencer
for a .30 caliber carbine owned by Harry Weatherford"..
When Craig became a Corporation Court Judge for Midlothian, Texas.....he was told by Weatherford "If you ever try
to arraign me, there'll be a g....d... gun battle....."
"In 1969 a young researcher interviewed Weatherford..and was taken by the man's savage demeanor. He asked him
point blank if he had shot Kennedy or Connally. Weatherford snapped "You little son of a b.... I shoot a lot of people"...
Information can be found in the book "Cover Up"......by Shaw & Harris
Here also is a photo taken by Jim Murray in the Plaza , that shows a hit to the cement apron around the sewer drain
the direction appears to lead back to the Records Bdg....
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Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Bernice Moore - 14-09-2009
FROM MIKE Mrs. Donald Baker saw a bullet strike the pavement near the Stemmons Freeway sign:
Mr.Liebeler: You say you saw something hit the street after you heard the first shot: is that right?
Mrs. Baker: "Yes, ...I saw the bullet hit on down this way. I guess, right at the sign angling out."
Mr.Liebeler: And you think that it was approximately near the first sign?
Mrs. Baker: As I can remember (V11H509).
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/baker.htm
Royce G. Skelton: Saw a bullet strike the pavement:
" ......I saw bullet, or I guess it was a bullet ......I take for granted it was...hit in the left front of the President's car on the cement, and when it did, the smoke carried with it...away from the building." V1H238.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/skelton.htm
Motorcycle Policeman James Chaney told a reporter that the first shot missed. (Houston "Chronicle", 11, 24, 63.)
Mary Woodward wrote in a newspaper article that the first shot missed.( Dallas "Morning News" 11. 23.63).
On September 29, 1964, Eugene P.Aldredge, 9304 Lenel, Dallas, Texas. telephonically advised that he disagreed with the President's Commission report that Oswald did not have help in the assassination.
Aldredge said he saw a television program shortly after the assassination, believed to be on Channel Four, in which a mark on the sidewalk was pointed out..
Approximately three months ago, he stated he viewed such mark, which he is sure was caused by a bullet, and that this mark is approximately 6 inches long. He described the location of this mark as being in the middle of the sidewalk on the North side of Elm Street, which side is nearest the TSBD. He stated there is a lamp post. near the sidewalk, which is about even with the West end of the TSBD and that the above mark is approximately eight feet east of the lamp post on the sidewalk. He stated that as reporter for the "Dallas Morning News" Carl Freund, has also stated this is a bullet mark.
When asked as to why he had waited until this time to furnish the foregoing information, he stated he felt that such an important point would be covered in the President’s Commission report and did not want to become involved by furnishing the information at this time, but felt that such information, if overlooked should be made available.. Gemberling report pp. 66-68.
Mr. Aldredge told Dallas radio talk show host Lou Staples that five days after the making his report to the FBI he went to inspect the bullet mark again and found that some type of filler substance had been used to fill the indentation in the pavement. The Lou Staples Show, KRLD, Dallas. This bullet scar on the Elm Street sidewalk can still be seen today, ( 1976) It is not mentioned in the Warren Report.
From “Cover-Up”……..J. Gary Shaw & Larry Ray Harris.76/96
In its report on the mark, the FBI admitted to locating it and described it as being approximately 4 inches long, 1/2 inch wide, and "dug out." And why did the FBI dismiss the significance of this mark? Because, explained the Bureau, it could not have been made by a shot from the window from which Oswald allegedly fired.
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id139.htm
Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Bernice Moore - 14-09-2009
Front page..b
Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Bernice Moore - 14-09-2009
Testimony of Eye-Witnesses Who Thought Shots Came From Other Than TSBD
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=40395&relPageId=49
Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Myra Bronstein - 14-09-2009
Thank you for all of the above Bernice.
Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Bernice Moore - 14-09-2009
Your very welcome....pack rat here there may be more i am pretty sure....
Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Myra Bronstein - 15-09-2009
Bernice Moore Wrote:Your very welcome....pack rat here there may be more i am pretty sure....
More is most welcome... I'm very sure.
Project - Locating the bullets/bullet holes in Dealey Plaza - Peter Lemkin - 15-09-2009
One thing is for sure, that 'ol Lee guy sure peppered the Plaza with a variety of different types of bullets, from a whole series of different angles, firing perhaps 10-15 shots in six seconds with an unsighted-in and piece-o-crap WWI weapon - what a guy!! Must have been the drug experiments at Atsugi.