Phil Dragoo Wrote:Doug Horne was on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory last night.

George devoted the hour to Doug and guest Jim Marrs.

Doug ran down his realization that alteration to the skull was done at Bethesda prior to photographs which then showed the intact occipital.

He explained that Parkland witnesses were correct in describing the cerebellar damage, and that Bethesda witnesses did not dispute that--Robert Blakey to the contrary notwithstanding.

A caller said a man in jail had confessed, and Jim Marrs said that would be Jimmy Files. Files is in Joliet for killing a cop; that Files said he was curbed by an unmarked car and ambushed by four cops in an attempted hit.

Regarding the integrity of the Zapruder film, the chapter The Case for Zapruder Film Tampering: The Blink Pattern by Mike Pincher, J.D., and Roy L. Schaeffer on pages 221-238 of Assassination Science edited by James A. Fetzer, Ph.D., is compelling.

Does the film show the limo stopping. Marrs said "something like fifty people saw it stop. I asked Ralph Yarborough and he said, 'When you throw a basketball in the air, it goes up, then comes down--did it stop?'"

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Peter Lemkin Wrote:

Bernice Moore Wrote:Peter if i recall correctly the set at mf will be available in december..i could not wait i have ordered book # 4...finally is an understatement there are honey times and vinegar times and there has been so much vinegar for so many years..this now seems to be perhaps a taste of honey.coming around .very sweet honey...b...

Bernice, I'd agree [for the research community and a few awake/aware Americans, and others], BUT, sadly, I'm rather skeptical that it will ever be picked-up by the controlled MSM, or part of the general public's awareness. In fact, I think the staged financial collapse to put everyone back into serfdom was contrived to distract from the [slight] awakening, worldwide and even in America the land of the somnolent. Now, even if aware, most will be too dis-empowered to do much other than try to keep themselves off the streets. Anyway, it is a most welcome event and I know I'll treasure the books, with the details of what we all knew generally.....and from the horse's mouth. :damnmate:

PETER I JUST PICKED THIS UP FROM BILL KELLY..A SHORT ARTICLE ON HORNES NEW WORK RELATING TO PEOPLE CHANGING THEIR MINDS AND AMITTING THEY HAVE BEEN IN ERROR...IN REPLY TO A QUESTION THAT TINK HAD ASKED..I THOUGHT IT QUITE RELEVANT AT THIS TIME..AND IMO WILL THE NEWS MEDIA AND SUCH PAY ATTENTION WILL THEY BE TOLD TO ACKNoWLEDGE NO.....WILL THEY BE INSTRUCTED TO IGNORE OR TAKE SOME JABS CERTAINLY,,,NOTHING MORE IS EXPECTED FROM THOSE CONTROLLED WITH THEIR HEADS BURIED IN THE SAND AND WEARING EAR PLUGS..and paid off to do so quite willingly not too many good souls amongst such any lonher nor honest ones..WITH BILL'S PERMISSION and to clarify WHICH I DO HAVE AND HAVE HAD FOR SOME YEARS TO POST VERBATIM ANYTHING HE WRITES...THIS IS HIS LATEST...B..I THINK A GOODIE..BUT HOW MANY WILL HEED OR PAY ATTENTION WITHIN THE RESEARCH WORLD I HAVE MY DOUBTS.MANY WILL NOT AS IT IS ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT THINGS TO DO IN THE WORLD FOR SOME....OF COURSE BEING CREATURES OF HABIT.MANY WILL NOT.....TAKE CARE B..

This is a very good question Tink asks. WHY CAN'T WE ADMIT MISTAKES

my question now to tink is will he be able to admit his.mistake :egg:..BERNICE..

Two years ago, while researching the background of American revolutionary patriot John Barry, I came across a reference in a book on the history of the Episcopal Academy in Philadelphia, that one John Barry taught there for a few years while three young, aspiring US Naval officers were students.

These years just happened to coincide with a black hole in the documented life of Captain John Barry, who attended the church of the Academy founder, lived in the neighborhood of the school, and recruited the three students to be Navy midshipmen on the USS United States.

I was pretty much certain that Captain John Barry was the schoolmaster, thus certifying his status as "the Father of the US Navy."

But then I obtained a copy of the preface to school master John Barry's book The Philadelphia Spelling Book, the first book copyrighted in the United States, and I found a classified ad in the Philadelphia Gazzette by Barry asking for work as a tutor, which convinced me that there was another man named John Barry, who lived in the same neighborhood, was a member of the same Irish society and taught at the Academy.

I was wrong, and two years of my research was frustrated, but I had to admit I was wrong.

Now, in the course of JFK assassination research, those who have dedicated many years to working on a specific area of research - must also get frustrated, especially when some of their basic assumptions are proven wrong.

Like those who spend years trying to determine a motive for Oswald to kill the President when it turns out he didn't kill anybody, but was framed as the patsy, just like he claimed.

Then there are those who have maintained that the Zapruder film and other physical evidence in the assassination were not tampered with, and are accurate renditions of what happened, or constitute evidence of a crime that can be introduced into a court of law.

I too, counted myself among those who believed the Zapruder film was authentic and not tampered with, and those who saw anomalies were seeing things that everyone begins to see when staring at a pictures for too long a time.

I even came up with a theory that the more you looked at a picture the more anomalies you would see.

And I would like to apologize to Jack White for saying that, as I now believe that much of his work will be vindicated by Doug Horne's revelations.

Like the medical evidence, which I considered beyond my understanding, I relied on the judgement of Dr. Wecht, Dr. Aguliar and others who I know personally who have studied the subject.

And when it came to the photo evidence, I thought Tink Thompson, Bob Groden, John Judge and others were right, and the "alterationists" wrong, especially because I thought there is much better evidence of conspiracy than alteration of photos, and there is.

Now however, after reading "The Zapruder Film Mystery" chapter in Volume IV of Doug Horne's IARRB, I now realize that I was wrong.

Even Doug in his book says it was a hard decision for him to make, but as with the recognition that they used two different brains in writing the autopsy report(s), its now clear that they also controlled the Zapruder film from early on, and that even though copies were made, they were all controlled, and the chain of evidence was broken.

This is proven by the reports of three CIA officers who made enlargements of different versions of the original film at different times at the NPIC in DC, clearly describing different films, both said to be originals.

In retrospect, if they have the kill the President, frame the patsy and control the autopsy, they certainly had the ability to control and alter other evidence as well, including the Z-film.

Now without further debate over whether Mooreman was in the street or if leaves are real, I'd like Tink and others to read the relevant chapter in Vol. IV. IARRB and let us know if the loss of the true provenance of the Z-film has an effect on the value of the evidence?

Without regard to what's on the film, can it now be accepted that the Z-film we now have at the Archives, and pay copyright for use to the Sixth Floor Museum, is not the unedited, unaltered movie that Zapruder filmed?

I understand that it will take awhile for the details of this book to circulate, and for people to buy and read, but I think its important that we all do read it and consider the implications.


Bill Kelly


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A true gentleman. I can see I am going to have to get a copy of this book. I have been somewhat agnostic on the authenticity of the Zapruder film but this has definitely piqued my interest to find out more.

Peter Lemkin Wrote:and, oh, by the way, the nut from Brazil is now an expert on JFK and specifically Horne's work....(latest assignment on you-know-where).....:flowers:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:

Peter Lemkin Wrote:and, oh, by the way, the nut from Brazil is now an expert on JFK and specifically Horne's work....(latest assignment on you-know-where).....:flowers:

:rofl: :elefant:

Doug Horne must be pretty close to some real truths, then.....